Typing spreadsheet old discussions (2011-14)

[Creepy-male]

use Ashton's copy of the sheet for now, its more secure.

Can you reupload a copy of the typelist? I'll just have to keep a closer eye on it now.

It's still open if you want it to be up visit ashton's page, and copy the data over yourself. I am just a host for the sheet itself, I'm not the sole person responsible for it, its the communities choice whether they want it to happen or not.

[Creepy-male]

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SHEET OR YOUR TYPINGS IN IT.

Do you have a mental disability? That's the entire purpose of this topic, could you leave this topic alone if you don't have anything to contribute worthwhile?

[MisterNi]

IM NOT FUCKING VANDALIZING IT.

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SHEET OR YOUR TYPINGS IN IT.
You are pulling that shit straight out of your ass. All i have done is write here.

And listen about HLDS eewy little feelings being hurt

OK, I believe you. Now will you please stop being so angry?

[NewBorn STAR]

MisterNI: Just one more. Cant resist this one

Don't wake up

Those two messages are exactly what i told you would do. Good boy.

[Creepy-male]

MisterNI: Just one more. Cant resist this one

Don't wake up

Those two messages are exactly what i told you would do. Good boy.

Good job, your a master of suggestion... pat yourself on the back.... daddy is proud.

[MisterNi]

OK so I've restored the open copy from the secured copy. I have a backup copy in case someone decides to deface the list again.

A suggestion to anyone wanting to make edits to the open sheet. Download a saved version before, during, and after you make any large edits. That way if someone decides to troll you, you won't have lost all of your work.

[The Ineffable]

I saved a .csv copy of it locally, minutes before the last nuke (one happened an hr before that too). I can re-upload it back to normal again. But it's pointless to do so until some sort of controls are in place to prevent this, because they're not going to stop.

How will you face Indiana CPig when he's back from the wilderness?

[Enters Laughing]

off-topic moved to: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=36843

please stop telling each other to kill yourselves and stop the unnecessary insults.

[Gilly]

off-topic moved to: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=36843

please stop telling each other to kill yourselves and stop the unnecessary insults.

It's so cute! He thinks we might listen!

[woofwoofl]

Anyways, I've saved the list as of 7:26 AM (in Ohio), August 8, 2011; I'm manually going over the types to standardize their presentation to make it possible for a script to run them easier! If my efforts don't help, then I'll still try to keep grinding on through this monster; don't know if I'll be able to, but I'll be more done than before...

Of course, there will and should be versions of the list past that point in time, so keep on going

[Absurd]

This is becoming a one big joke, the spreadshit looks like candy plus, haha, what happened to "consensus" ? Sank like the titanic, I guess.

[Creepy-male]

I found this a little interesting in terms of a social experiment, people weren't capable of handling the free and open format, eventually the majority started equilibriating towards a secure and closed format.

[Gilly]

I found this a little interesting in terms of a social experiment, people weren't capable of handling the free and open format, eventually the majority started equilibriating towards a secure and closed format.

A bit ironic that Ashton was the one to impose structure.

[Gilly]

OH WELL I GUESS I WAS JUST LYING

YEAH

MAKES SENSE

[Gilly]

You're an anarchist and yet were the first to promote a form of centralized control.

Maybe you should take high school English again.

[Absurd]

I found this a little interesting in terms of a social experiment, people weren't capable of handling the free and open format, eventually the majority started equilibriating towards a secure and closed format.

A bit ironic that Ashton was the one to impose structure.

A bit ironic that Ashton was the one to impose structure.

There's no irony in that.

Put structure into Gilly Ashton, it doesn't look good.

[Gilly]

You're an anarchist and yet were the first to promote a form of centralized control.

Maybe you should take high school English again.

Centralized control? Hardly. I just put up a security fence around it.

Anarchy doesn't imply the absence of order.

Obviously I was making a political point -_-

Take a joke d00d

[FDG]

You're an anarchist and yet were the first to promote a form of centralized control.

Maybe you should take high school English again.

Centralized control? Hardly. I just put up a security fence around it.

Anarchy doesn't imply the absence of order.

PRIVATIZED FENCED ROADS vs GEOLIBERTARIAN EQUAL ACCESS TO LAND

[Gilly]

Jesus you ******s take any chance you get to plug your ridiculous worldview

Go work for a big corporation, you'll fit right in...

[FDG]

Jesus you ******s take any chance you get to plug your ridiculous worldview

Go work for a big corporation, you'll fit right in...

What? I was joking wtf.

[Absurd]

Jesus you ******s take any chance you get to plug your ridiculous worldview

Go work for a big corporation, you'll fit right in...

What? I was joking wtf.

No you were not. Those bold, sky tower and capital letters tell a different story.

Love ?

[bionic]

What? I was joking wtf.

No you were not. Those bold, sky tower and capital letters tell a different story.

Love ?

[EyeSeeCold]

I found this a little interesting in terms of a social experiment, people weren't capable of handling the free and open format, eventually the majority started equilibriating towards a secure and closed format.

Frankly, the only disadvantage of a closed project is that the inviter may not always be around, or people will be too lazy with the process. Neither of those are significant enough compared to the pointlessness of tediously and repeatedly giving input only to have it vandalized so easily, when all that can be prevented by simple exclusion.

[Absurd]

[Anglas]

Tak tak tak

[Absurd]

Tak tak tak

Haha.

[717495]

Closed with listed entry seems to be fine. The current "open" spreadsheet has nothing but a picture of a tumor with bees on it.

Also, make sure to discontinue editing privileges to people who haven't made a list after a couple days.

[Creepy-male]

I'm temporarily locking the spreadsheet down, you can view but not edit, may only be a temporary measure, but this allows people some time to relax and not work themselves to death reuploading data....

[Creepy-male]

I found this a little interesting in terms of a social experiment, people weren't capable of handling the free and open format, eventually the majority started equilibriating towards a secure and closed format.

Frankly, the only disadvantage of a closed project is that the inviter may not always be around, or people will be too lazy with the process. Neither of those are significant enough compared to the pointlessness of tediously and repeatedly giving input only to have it vandalized so easily, when all that can be prevented by simple exclusion.

Closed projects take energy by some sort of administrator to keep them alive, the moment the administration quits the thing falls apart. If the administration stays up to take care of basic day to day details it is usually successful.

Open projects don't require energy of some administrator to keep them alive, and thus have an easier time existing in the absence of an explicit administrator. Although they have a large chance of failing due to apathy of the community or exploitation from outside powers.

[Crispy]

Apathy of one tortured soul more like it

[woofwoofl]

Anyways, I've saved the list as of 7:26 AM (in Ohio), August 8, 2011; I'm manually going over the types to standardize their presentation to make it possible for a script to run them easier! If my efforts don't help, then I'll still try to keep grinding on through this monster; don't know if I'll be able to, but I'll be more done than before...

Of course, there will and should be versions of the list past that point in time, so keep on going

August 8, 2011, 7:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time typing list (raw)
August 8, 2011, 7:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time typing list (standardized)

The raw list is exactly that - a raw list.

The standardized list has all typings in three letter format. The flavor typings have been omitted in that version so that the data could be crunched automatically somehow...

 

If, for instance, each type was assigned a number like this...


...then every integer between 1 and 65535 would specifically correspond to one and only one combination of types in such a way that all possible combinations are covered.

The problem, though, is that subtypes are involved, as are arrangements like "ILE>IEE", where one type is at least strongly implied to carry more weight than another; the former could be fixed by simply growing the math-monster, but the latter... uuggh...

I'm either going to try to shit out some massive amounts of here to get it to work, or I'm just gonna rawdog the whole damn list manually; I know there's an "easier" way to do all of this, and if I can't find it... all I know is that I'm gonna go forward one way or another...


P.S. I used the lists in Ashton's batcave; they've been more stable, so I went with those ones

[Park]

Maritsa's column is where it's at.

[Creepy-male]

Anyways, I've saved the list as of 7:26 AM (in Ohio), August 8, 2011; I'm manually going over the types to standardize their presentation to make it possible for a script to run them easier! If my efforts don't help, then I'll still try to keep grinding on through this monster; don't know if I'll be able to, but I'll be more done than before...

Of course, there will and should be versions of the list past that point in time, so keep on going

August 8, 2011, 7:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time typing list (raw)
August 8, 2011, 7:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time typing list (standardized)

The raw list is exactly that - a raw list.

The standardized list has all typings in three letter format. The flavor typings have been omitted in that version so that the data could be crunched automatically somehow...

 

If, for instance, each type was assigned a number like this...


...then every integer between 1 and 65535 would specifically correspond to one and only one combination of types in such a way that all possible combinations are covered.

The problem, though, is that subtypes are involved, as are arrangements like "ILE>IEE", where one type is at least strongly implied to carry more weight than another; the former could be fixed by simply growing the math-monster, but the latter... uuggh...

I'm either going to try to shit out some massive amounts of here to get it to work, or I'm just gonna rawdog the whole damn list manually; I know there's an "easier" way to do all of this, and if I can't find it... all I know is that I'm gonna go forward one way or another...


P.S. I used the lists in Ashton's batcave; they've been more stable, so I went with those ones

Lol I'm just going to write a vba module to loop through all the columns, paste them into a single column as strings, remove duplicates then move them around intelligently into groups/domains, after which I'll set up a matrix that has one column for a standardized nomenclature, and 16 other columns that gives a certain type a weight 0 to 1 with a sum of 1. So someone using "alpha" will have all alpha types with weight 0.25.

I'll use this table/matrix as an index to lookup wieghtings when doing statistical calculations.

[Creepy-male]

Closed projects take energy by some sort of administrator to keep them alive, the moment the administration quits the thing falls apart. If the administration stays up to take care of basic day to day details it is usually successful.

Open projects don't require energy of some administrator to keep them alive, and thus have an easier time existing in the absence of an explicit administrator. Although they have a large chance of failing due to apathy of the community or exploitation from outside powers.

It's taking much more energy to keep this alive thanks to your insistence on a silly anonymous editing format.

You should at least put the link to this one in the OP. Again, anyone who wants editing access, PM me your gmail.

When I get sick of having to play gatekeeper (which is going to be soon), it's perfectly easy for me to hand it off to someone else to bother with.

Meh fine hold onto till the end of the week and I'll take it over, I'm working on another project right now, but I'll have to time to mull around with this next week.

[Simon Ssmall]

Maybe something like that would work better than a closed spreadsheet?

http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2008/...ets-start.html

[woofwoofl]

August 8, 2011, 7:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time typing list (raw)
August 8, 2011, 7:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time typing list (standardized)

The raw list is exactly that - a raw list.

The standardized list has all typings in three letter format. The flavor typings have been omitted in that version so that the data could be crunched automatically somehow...

 

If, for instance, each type was assigned a number like this...


...then every integer between 1 and 65535 would specifically correspond to one and only one combination of types in such a way that all possible combinations are covered.

The problem, though, is that subtypes are involved, as are arrangements like "ILE>IEE", where one type is at least strongly implied to carry more weight than another; the former could be fixed by simply growing the math-monster, but the latter... uuggh...

I'm either going to try to shit out some massive amounts of here to get it to work, or I'm just gonna rawdog the whole damn list manually; I know there's an "easier" way to do all of this, and if I can't find it... all I know is that I'm gonna go forward one way or another...


P.S. I used the lists in Ashton's batcave; they've been more stable, so I went with those ones

Lol I'm just going to write a vba module to loop through all the columns, paste them into a single column as strings, remove duplicates then move them around intelligently into groups/domains, after which I'll set up a matrix that has one column for a standardized nomenclature, and 16 other columns that gives a certain type a weight 0 to 1 with a sum of 1. So someone using "alpha" will have all alpha types with weight 0.25.

I'll use this table/matrix as an index to lookup wieghtings when doing statistical calculations.

Awesome!

As far as weightings are concerned, I started doing things by going that route, and the open-ended typings wobbled up the results severely once I got to Airborne and Aiss (I didn't exactly make it far )...

There's lots of really loose typings afoot, sometimes to the point of having 12 out of the 16 types chosen as a possibility. Open-ended typings are great to have, and due to their nature, should probably be less of a deciding factor towards the end results. Having 16 of 16 types equally chosen and explicitly stated as such would weight each type with 0.0625 of a vote for every type; having 0 of 16 types equally chosen and explicitly stated as such would weight each type with 0.0000 of a vote for each type. The following should correct all of this:

if:
X = raw typing value
Y = weighted typing value

then:
Y = (16/15)X - 1/15

Gonna make a table to show how this all goes down:


If nothing else, could such a thing be included in addition to the raw data weights and the results brought on by them?

[Azeroffs]

But it looks like a bunch of effort and I hate you all.

[EyeSeeCold]

But it looks like a bunch of effort and I hate you all.

That's not what you said the other night.

[woofwoofl]

I hate you all.

That's not what you said the other night.

Sounds like someone got to find out the Colonel's secret special blend of spices

Anyone got any pics?

[Anglas]

Awww, esc and ashton