*sigh*
Dioklecian, was for that that you asked me to unlock this thread? To pursue a personal vendetta against a type and confuse newcomers that might actually want to learn something about ESFjs?
*sigh*
Dioklecian, was for that that you asked me to unlock this thread? To pursue a personal vendetta against a type and confuse newcomers that might actually want to learn something about ESFjs?
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Not at all,
I just noticed the number of ESFJ in the nazi party. I was quite surprised.
I am a newcommer to socionics myself. I don't see how someone who has been labeled "damaged i nthe frontal lobes" in this very thread can confuse anyone.
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
Perhaps my evidence hits too close to home for some.
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
Such as for this ESFJ:
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
LOL no. It's just statistically improbable that such a high percentage of Nazis were ESFjs. I would be suprised if every type wasn't well represented.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Clearly ******'s father was ESFJ and ****** himself was schizophrenic.
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
Dio has mental issues and he's trying to work them out here.
That's right, Dio, ESFjs are the problem.................
Why don't you round them all up and put them in a gas chamber yourself, eh?
Who's the nazi now??
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Of course all types were present in Germany, but it seems that key figures were closely associetaed with the ESFJ worldview, because of ******s' own issues, basiclly his ESFJ father (mother seems to have been ESTP in my opinion).
I challenge you to find me one major ENFP nazi figure.
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
I have no such intentions at all, you are suggesting that.Dio has mental issues and he's trying to work them out here.
That's right, Dio, ESFjs are the problem.................
Why don't you round them all up and put them in a gas chamber yourself, eh?
Who's the nazi now??
Whoever wishes to put people in concentration camps.Who's the nazi now??
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
A. I am not that big a believer in VI and I don't know much about any particular Nazis
B. You'd just say I mistyped them and they were ESFjs anyway
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Well you could just browse the list above and see if nay behaviour strikes you as ENFp.A. I am not that big a believer in VI and I don't know much about any particular Nazis
Of course I would never do that. Its' extremely important for me to know the exact nature of the behaviour of these people, the evil was done, it doesn't matter by whom. If we want to stop it from happening in the future we have to know how and for what reasons it happned, type throry could suggest, I repeat only suggest, some ideas.B. You'd just say I mistyped them and they were ESFjs anyway
So if the nazis were aligned to an ESFJ worldview thats' important to know, to compare it, for instance, to Pol Pots' regime, or bolsheviks, that were aligned to to other perspectives.
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Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
soo sm whose baby is that?? :-D
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
What do you know, yet another ESFJ:
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
the little baby is my husband's cousin's new baby.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Pol Pot was more like Beta; Lytov has typed him as ISTj, and Rick and I typed him as ENFj.What do you know, yet another ESFJ:
An ESFj is an Alpha, and a Caregiver who tries to put others in a good mood by "taking care" of them; they are perhaps the most typical "motherly" type.
So why are you typing a genocidal maniac , who wanted to re-shape his world, as ESFj? Only VI? Then:
1) Do you think ESFjs and ENFjs are so different via VI?
2) Do you think that VI overrules the other arguments?
Ummm, actually I don't. I was ethically confused for a while but have been dealing with it heavily and its' fine by now.
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
I cant beleive this thread is still alive
neither can i.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Ok, I'll lock it.
Dio: please no complains this time. You've had your say.
Mod Disagrees
Please, let's keep this thread unlocked.
I think there were many interesting points raised, and I would like to let the debate continue. There are evil people with every type, but I think there are type-related issues involved too, and these should be openly discussed.
Maybe for the sake of fairness there should be similar threads about every type. For example, Dioklecian typed Pol Pot as INFJ. Earlier I changed my mind about ****** and came to think of him as INFJ. Now the question is what is it about INFJs that makes us so blood thirsty tyrants?
Please do start another thread. :wink:
"Arnie is strong, rightfully angry and wants to kill somebody."
martin_g_karlsson
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