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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    I disagree. Hold up for one because it might then change your life. It just might not last forever, but then again, nothing is this world was meant to last that long.

    Fairy-tale romances are absolutely real. Is it not art that imitates life? Not the other way around?

    That truth has become lost in our modern media-saturated cultures. To much romance overload has created a generation of cynics. Being a realist, you must also take into account that romantic love can also be just as real as anything else.

    Just wait till the big R-word hits you.
    Yeah, well, people still win the lotto, but you're a fool if you base your life around hitting the jackpot. People's standards are too friggin' high, good, honest, real people are being abandonded by their SO's because "I'm not happy" (i.e. this other person excites my unhealthy attachment style more than the current stable SO does). Many times relationships aren't even pursued. They're "out of my league", or "I'm not good enough for them", and other such bullshit. And even if approached the other party won't even consider it. They see the approach as a measure of desperation and just reject it out of hand.

    It's all a bunch of bullshit, I just hope people realize this in time before our species goes extinct and/or filled with morons who don't know the first damned thing about real intimacy (which will also lead to extinction).

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Yeah, well, people still win the lotto, but you're a fool if you base your life around hitting the jackpot. People's standards are too friggin' high, good, honest, real people are being abandonded by their SO's because "I'm not happy" (i.e. this other person excites my unhealthy attachment style more than the current stable SO does). Many times relationships aren't even pursued. They're "out of my league", or "I'm not good enough for them", and other such bullshit. And even if approached the other party won't even consider it. They see the approach as a measure of desperation and just reject it out of hand.

    It's all a bunch of bullshit, I just hope people realize this in time before our species goes extinct and/or filled with morons who don't know the first damned thing about real intimacy (which will also lead to extinction).
    Might as well just go for it then. Consequences be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    Might as well just go for it then. Consequences be damned.
    Now you're getting the proper attitude .

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Now you're getting the proper attitude .
    Now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    Now?
    Just saying that such is the proper attitude. If you like someone romantically, approach. Best case scenario, they agree to a date. Worst case, you get rejected. Rejection sucks but it's better than playing the "what if" game. Best to just get it all out of the way and find out for sure if there's anything going on there.

    Though perhaps you may wish to be the party that gets approached. In which event, it's easy to contrive coincidences. To be "aggressively submissive" as I like to put it. It is possible to come on to someone without actually coming on to them. Leading them to places where it's just you and them, intentionally dropping things or otherwise being a klutz in such a way as to expose and accentuate the "sexy" parts of yourself, etc. Won't be as effective on the ladies but there are girls who can read between the lines as it were.

    Hoping to meet one myself but I'm still well aware that, as a dude, my role is pretty much set. I will have to approach one way or another, girls don't know how lucky they are in this department. Nothing is without cost of course, a hot girl will be approached by all manner of disgusting pigish men who only see her as a pump and dump sex toy (fuckers ruin it for us good dudes who want more than just a bangin' body), but just being in the position of being approached... damn that'd make things so much easier. Once known interest is established you can filter quite easily. The difficult thing is working up the courage to show the other that there is an interest. I guess it's all biology in the end, the cold facts of the matter of Natural Selection and Reproductive Roles are dark arbiters in the matter of mate selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Just saying that such is the proper attitude. If you like someone romantically, approach. Best case scenario, they agree to a date. Worst case, you get rejected. Rejection sucks but it's better than playing the "what if" game. Best to just get it all out of the way and find out for sure if there's anything going on there.

    Though perhaps you may wish to be the party that gets approached. In which event, it's easy to contrive coincidences. To be "aggressively submissive" as I like to put it. It is possible to come on to someone without actually coming on to them. Leading them to places where it's just you and them, intentionally dropping things or otherwise being a klutz in such a way as to expose and accentuate the "sexy" parts of yourself, etc. Won't be as effective on the ladies but there are girls who can read between the lines as it were.

    Hoping to meet one myself but I'm still well aware that, as a dude, my role is pretty much set. I will have to approach one way or another, girls don't know how lucky they are in this department. Nothing is without cost of course, a hot girl will be approached by all manner of disgusting pigish men who only see her as a pump and dump sex toy (fuckers ruin it for us good dudes who want more than just a bangin' body), but just being in the position of being approached... damn that'd make things so much easier. Once known interest is established you can filter quite easily. The difficult thing is working up the courage to show the other that there is an interest. I guess it's all biology in the end, the cold facts of the matter of Natural Selection and Reproductive Roles are dark arbiters in the matter of mate selection.
    Preach.

    Haha, anyway, you think I have trouble approaching potential dates?

    Although, I pretty much agree with everything you said, except the natural selection and reproductive roles bit. Don't you think man stepped out of biological ---> A equals B; centuries ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    Preach.

    Haha, anyway, you think I have trouble approaching potential dates?

    Although, I pretty much agree with everything you said, except the natural selection and reproductive roles bit. Don't you think man stepped out of biological ---> A equals B; centuries ago?
    I don't think you do but I don't know you very well personally. You appear to have confidence which would mean little trouble in approaching. And while people have largely stopped caring about the whole biology thing it is still a great influence. Most girls wanna be dominated and protected somehow, most guys wish to dominate and protect in turn. Society still reinforces these notions by and large as well so outliers are still ostracized if their dirty secret gets out somehow.

    I don't think we'll ever be truly free of "traditional" gender roles as it were, they'll always be there. It is hard to ignore the crushing weight of over 200,000 years of evolution. Man expendable, woman precious. One man and a hundred women can double the population in a single generation, the reverse is not true. Mother Nature, like Fate, is a bitch as illustrated by that dark fact and the science backing up the "sperm war" problem. One must deal with that dark reality or be doomed to various forms of unhappiness.

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    Hey look everybody, Sol found a dual couple.
    Technically they are not a couple, but only sit near and talk. Though, there is a potential for relations. Besides types, that girl has similar interests and should be physically in the taste of the guy (taking into account the look of his previous woman).

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    Sol only types Russians correctly
    The magic is: as you understand those examples less, you more trust to external opinion and less use your fascinating typing skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Technically they are not a couple, but only sit near and talk. Though, there is a potential for relations. Besides types, that girl has similar interests and should be physically in the taste of the guy (taking into account the look of his previous woman).



    The magic is: as you understand those examples less, you more trust to external opinion and less use your fascinating typing skills.
    Great method your lovely sol-ship
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Great method your lovely sol-ship
    It was not about the method, but explanation of the situation rising your conformism. Objectively there is no difference, as I care not much about what public people say, but analyse their "fine" nonverbal behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    It was not about the method, but explanation of the situation rising your conformism. Objectively there is no difference, as I care not much about what public people say, but analyse their "fine" nonverbal behavior.
    Very good. He seems like an extraverted P type I would assume SEE (Andre). This is an LIE


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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Technically they are not a couple, but only sit near and talk. Though, there is a potential for relations. Besides types, that girl has similar interests and should be physically in the taste of the guy (taking into account the look of his previous woman).



    The magic is: as you understand those examples less, you more trust to external opinion and less use your fascinating typing skills.
    Right she was the one from the other video? He is dating up which is nice to see. The other chick had a trailer trash thing going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Yeah, well, people still win the lotto, but you're a fool if you base your life around hitting the jackpot. People's standards are too friggin' high, good, honest, real people are being abandonded by their SO's because "I'm not happy" (i.e. this other person excites my unhealthy attachment style more than the current stable SO does). Many times relationships aren't even pursued. They're "out of my league", or "I'm not good enough for them", and other such bullshit. And even if approached the other party won't even consider it. They see the approach as a measure of desperation and just reject it out of hand.

    It's all a bunch of bullshit, I just hope people realize this in time before our species goes extinct and/or filled with morons who don't know the first damned thing about real intimacy (which will also lead to extinction).
    God I hate the "Im not happy" excuse. Like what? Anways sorry for jumping in the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaein View Post
    God I hate the "Im not happy" excuse. Like what? Anways sorry for jumping in the conversation.
    "I'm not happy" in truth means "I have an unhealthy attachment style, how dare you be stable and not be the other unhealthy style that's supposed to light my fire and lead to an abusive home!" Such utter bullshit, if you're not happy then fucking say so before we get into a committed LTR and most certainly say it before we walk down the damned isle of matrimony! Gah!

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    Not one thing against her being IEE on her channel (which shows the expansiveness of Ne ethical interests). I think she is an example of Ne paired with ethics and not Se paired with ethics. She is talking about social impact and inclusiveness. Watch some of her videos Eliza before you throw her out of the club.



    Edit: I like her and have subscribed.

    Edit2: Wow, I didn't even realize what she has gone through.

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