1st ever and last

[wacey]

Super awesome seeing new comers to the forum pick up a baton that never belonged to them in the first place and carry it forward as if their self righteous rants held anything but empty air. All aboard the bandwagon! Hop on and hold on its a bumby ride! Lets type based off someone's reputation because its so much easier then thinking for ourselves!

cunts.

edit; I am talking about the bashing.

[wacey]

She is EII in my books. Enough of the fairy tale humanist never hurt a caterpillar stereotypes. I doubt she is Ne subtype though. EII can be quite stubborn and contrary, why dont you think they partly clash with SLE?

[nondescript]

No.



Naw, this is coming from your own imagination (and whatever you did to that.).

I totally get her reactions, and I do see how they may seem jarring to others, and I see how it can be misjudged to seem some crazy thing by others. You are missing that she really is a Fi type and she does feel hurt deeply when treated unkindly. She might not seem like it when she is fighting back quite sharply (basically giving back what she has gotten), but its in reaction to having been hurt deeply, IMO. I am saying this not from any conversational feedback with her, but from my observation. (as an IEE Psychologist! I "get" these things.) And yes, INFjs do have this martyr-like side that appears certainly from time to time, but we all have our "sides" that raise others' brows at times, don't we? Better a martyr than an ogre, IMO.

Some have questioned if its because I am particular friends with Maritsa (whom I do like) or because she and I discuss these things that I defend her here. Its not that. Its this sense of justice that rears up in me when I feel that something is unfair, or that someone is maligned unjustly. That's when I don't mind a bit getting into the fray and saying exactly what I think is right and true. And at these times I can care less if people think bad of me forever for it. Standing for what is just and right means way more to me than that.

Anyway, nondescript, I think you and certain others here are misunderstanding because you are from a different quadra.

I was thinking recently how I have had reactions, internal quiet ones, that are negative about a person's words or actions, and then later I have more understanding of where he/she is coming from (and my type constantly seeks understanding, so I mull these things). Reading about how different quadras react to different quadras, I can see, in retrospect, how those initial reactions are in fact typical reactions that my quadra might have to that person's quadra. I was thinking of a particular example and I will post it in a Reinin thread concerning Merry/Serious, later.

And, as to reactions to people, I would like to explain something else. Temperament influences two parts of this:

1. How quickly you get an emotional/judgmental reactionwhich is either on of these two:
a. a strong and immediate reaction
b. a slow burn that takes time to build up

2. How long that emotional reaction lasts is either one of these two:
a. it wears off quick
b. it tends to stay and hold for long

There are four basic temperaments, that also Jung used as a basis in his theories, and each of these has their feeling/judgment reactions that work in this way, according to the above chart I just made.

Sanguine - 1a & 2a
Choleric - 1a & 2b
Melancholic - 1b & 2b
Phlegmatic - 1b & 2a

This is not my own idea by any means, but my own way of explaining that which I previously learned. I am a Sanguine, so I have that STRONG emotional/judging reaction to a person or event at times. But as a Sanguine, I get over it, too. Its forgive and forget pretty easily in ordinary circumstances for me. As an IEE Sanguine, I keep my emotional reaction to myself so people don't always know I am having this big reactions to a thing (unless I can't hide! I can hide here when I write, but in person, if I cannot turn away and someone can sees my face, my face frequently betrays me! My feelings are there. If it pointed otu, I often will immediate minimize it. Because I prefer to keep my reaction to myself, particularly when its negative, because I know I usually get over it with time and understanding, and I DON't want to deal with the fall-out of things i said or did when I was upset. On the other hand, a SEE is a Sanguine, too, and they DO express their reaction. Also they are stronger in Fi, so they KNOW what they feel, whereas I need to think about it for a bit by myself ("why did I react to that person like that? Is it really an offense? Or does it just remind me of some other bad memory? etc"). But in typical cases, the SEE gets over their initial reaction; does't hate forever eh person they first hated, i.e.

Once I saw a chart of each of the 16types lined up to which if the four temperaments they are. I don't know offhand which they all are. I will edit this and post a link it if I find it.

But question - nondescript: it seems odd that you consider her ESI... To you, does it feel as if Maritsa is a kindred spirit; that she thinks, acts, and communicates like you? That it seems as if you both stem from the same sorts of internal motivations? That her strengths and weaknesses are like yours? That correlation between you two is not something I have seen. I'm asking because it appears that you self-type ESI. (Though I don't get an "ESI vibe" from you, but then, I am not saying I have my own other idea of your type, either).

Well, I'd be choleric. Instant, long lasting emotional states / reactions. But depends on how long is long actually.

And I don't self type as an ESI. It's just that some very knowledgeable people suggested that and I stuck with it. I can even see it applying. And there are a lot of things that could be different between two identicals: upbringing, culture, enneagram etc. Perhaps what I see is the forceful "LET ME HELP YOU" side of e2 mixed with somewhat very defensive actions. What I'm trying to say is that I definitely see IxFj.

[Olduvai]

No.

Yes?

[nondescript]

No.



Naw, this is coming from your own imagination (and whatever you did to that.).

I totally get her reactions, and I do see how they may seem jarring to others, and I see how it can be misjudged to seem some crazy thing by others. You are missing that she really is a Fi type and she does feel hurt deeply when treated unkindly. She might not seem like it when she is fighting back quite sharply (basically giving back what she has gotten), but its in reaction to having been hurt deeply, IMO. I am saying this not from any conversational feedback with her, but from my observation. (as an IEE Psychologist! I "get" these things.) And yes, INFjs do have this martyr-like side that appears certainly from time to time, but we all have our "sides" that raise others' brows at times, don't we? Better a martyr than an ogre, IMO.

Some have questioned if its because I am particular friends with Maritsa (whom I do like) or because she and I discuss these things that I defend her here. Its not that. Its this sense of justice that rears up in me when I feel that something is unfair, or that someone is maligned unjustly. That's when I don't mind a bit getting into the fray and saying exactly what I think is right and true. And at these times I can care less if people think bad of me forever for it. Standing for what is just and right means way more to me than that.

Anyway, nondescript, I think you and certain others here are misunderstanding because you are from a different quadra.

I was thinking recently how I have had reactions, internal quiet ones, that are negative about a person's words or actions, and then later I have more understanding of where he/she is coming from (and my type constantly seeks understanding, so I mull these things). Reading about how different quadras react to different quadras, I can see, in retrospect, how those initial reactions are in fact typical reactions that my quadra might have to that person's quadra. I was thinking of a particular example and I will post it in a Reinin thread concerning Merry/Serious, later.

And, as to reactions to people, I would like to explain something else. Temperament influences two parts of this:

1. How quickly you get an emotional/judgmental reactionwhich is either on of these two:
a. a strong and immediate reaction
b. a slow burn that takes time to build up

2. How long that emotional reaction lasts is either one of these two:
a. it wears off quick
b. it tends to stay and hold for long

There are four basic temperaments, that also Jung used as a basis in his theories, and each of these has their feeling/judgment reactions that work in this way, according to the above chart I just made.

Sanguine - 1a & 2a
Choleric - 1a & 2b
Melancholic - 1b & 2b
Phlegmatic - 1b & 2a

This is not my own idea by any means, but my own way of explaining that which I previously learned. I am a Sanguine, so I have that STRONG emotional/judging reaction to a person or event at times. But as a Sanguine, I get over it, too. Its forgive and forget pretty easily in ordinary circumstances for me. As an IEE Sanguine, I keep my emotional reaction to myself so people don't always know I am having this big reactions to a thing (unless I can't hide! I can hide here when I write, but in person, if I cannot turn away and someone can sees my face, my face frequently betrays me! My feelings are there. If it pointed otu, I often will immediate minimize it. Because I prefer to keep my reaction to myself, particularly when its negative, because I know I usually get over it with time and understanding, and I DON't want to deal with the fall-out of things i said or did when I was upset. On the other hand, a SEE is a Sanguine, too, and they DO express their reaction. Also they are stronger in Fi, so they KNOW what they feel, whereas I need to think about it for a bit by myself ("why did I react to that person like that? Is it really an offense? Or does it just remind me of some other bad memory? etc"). But in typical cases, the SEE gets over their initial reaction; does't hate forever eh person they first hated, i.e.

Once I saw a chart of each of the 16types lined up to which if the four temperaments they are. I don't know offhand which they all are. I will edit this and post a link it if I find it.

But question - nondescript: it seems odd that you consider her ESI... To you, does it feel as if Maritsa is a kindred spirit; that she thinks, acts, and communicates like you? That it seems as if you both stem from the same sorts of internal motivations? That her strengths and weaknesses are like yours? That correlation between you two is not something I have seen. I'm asking because it appears that you self-type ESI. (Though I don't get an "ESI vibe" from you, but then, I am not saying I have my own other idea of your type, either).

I am interested in that part. And no, I didn't overlook it last night, I was just completely furious at the crap that had been done to a game I enjoy and hence wanted to just wind down. You can't realistically expect mr.Grammar to miss something THAT obvious .

[Sol]

assigning her to a type would do more harm than good

Harm will be if to use the typology with wrong types. And give inappropriate behavior examples with wrong type written.

engaging in such a process destroys the soul

In Christianity lie, but not truth destroys the soul. Hence wrong thoughts give danger.
Not taking in account potential practical problems like geting patner with bad IR or too much activity in weak nonvalued functions regions.

[Aylen]

Harm will be if to use the typology with wrong types. And give inappropriate behavior examples with wrong type written.

In Christianity lie, but not truth destroys the soul. Hence wrong thoughts give danger.
Not taking in account potential practical problems like geting patner with bad IR or too much activity in weak nonvalued functions regions.

Oh my god!

Danger alert: Mistyping is a sin. Fear for your immortal souls!
DANGER, DANGER!!!



You're no Jesus... morals.

[Myst]

She is EII in my books. Enough of the fairy tale humanist never hurt a caterpillar stereotypes. I doubt she is Ne subtype though. EII can be quite stubborn and contrary, why dont you think they partly clash with SLE?

Right.. Ji lead, in other words Ij temperament.

Harm will be if to use the typology with wrong types. And give inappropriate behavior examples with wrong type written.

Only if someone gets themselves brainwashed that easily.

In Christianity lie, but not truth destroys the soul. Hence wrong thoughts give danger. Not taking in account potential practical problems like getting patner with bad IR or too much activity in weak nonvalued functions regions.

You just need to be aware of what works for you cognitively and what are the weaknesses and how to handle that. Typing your partner is secondary to that, IMO.

[Sol]

On these photos you remind me ENFJ, less ENFP.
You may look at ISTJ actors in my list, they should give strong sympathy in case your type is ENFJ, unlike for INFJ. Vice versa for ESTJs there.

girl at bottom-left reminds Si valued F type
at top-right - Fe type

[Eliza Thomason]

Well there's no place like their current abode to find an ILI.
I am of course from a different time and place to your partner's daughter's potential dual mate and the opposite gender so overall I would just say that besides the ILI's usual homebodyness trait or workplace location that it's likely you could find them in some quiet spiritual or mystical environment on occasion such as a church or even in the occult and the virtual world, online gaming, computer games in general, participating in forums or just tapping away at the keyboard.
They may be the quiet main 'prophet' or 'communicater in the spiritual'.
Expect them to be the first to read how life's events play out.
Not to forget that they will be out and about with their friends at times too doing some socialising at a favourite cafe or such.

Shay! I think she found her Dual! I am so excited for her!!

All the things she has said so far make me think he is her ILI Dual. I met him when they just started sort of dating, she came by with him and a friend before a hay ride in October. (She had known him in AA awhile, and both are serious about their sobriety and a good long record in this). I liked him as soon as he spoke. He seemed level, balanced. Unlike other guys she dated, whom I had reservations on right off, this one: no reservations.

She says they are "total opposites" - for example, she said he is "socially awkward" citing his nervous smile in group situations (in her mildly-mocking SEE way), but I did not see any particular nervousness myself; I thought he was just fine socially. I think he is just an "I" who does not want to be socializing ALL the time. He'd made an interesting comment in that short few minutes I met him, relating to a comment I made on how this area reminds me of Adirondacks, and how I'd worked up there one year at an Inn where hikers from the Appalachian Trail would come in for a dinner or breakfast, and he said the Appalachian Trail actually comes through CT not far from here (which was news to me), and that that hike is on his bucket list. I later mentioned to dh's SEE daughter that I was impressed by this comment, and she says, "Yes, he has a bucket list, and he is actually doing the things on his list now" ...and she explained (admiringly) that he'd saved a good deal of money (tens of thousands) in order to have this time of not-working - which also sounds to me like something an ILI woudl do, wanting to have some freedom with their time to do self-directed things, and doing what needs to be done (save) in order to make that happen. She, like a SEE would of an ILI Dual, expressed respect for his intelligence, ability to earn, and to save ...

So, there are so many things - little things I deduce from just that one brief meeting, and she has told me bits of this and that, and every time, there are just more and more things telling me he is probably ILI. I really think this is it! I should not be surprised as I have really prayed for this. But I am thinking, what is the likelihood of this happening on its own? Seems not likely! But then, dh and I have prayed a lot for this. Also this summer I went to a Basilica for the first time, and someone there said its an old Italian tradition to make a wish the first time you go to a Basilica or Cathedral, because God will grant it, and so I prayed my wish that dh's SEE duagher woudl find her ILI, and fast. Fast because she really needs someone to share her single-Mom life with. Its a lonely thing to do and she is such a people-person. She has a good heart. She deserves someone who can really appreciate her for who she is. She has had some trauma in the past, and a Dual is so stabilizing -- healing. She is working hard and smart establishing a career for herself, making wise decisions, maintaining her own place - she really just lacks someone to love life with her. So the more I hear about this guy, the more I feel sure he is the ILI Dual I have been praying she find!

I even detect a little power struggle like you might with SEE/ILI starting out... because of a short comment she made at Thanksgiving, how she was planning a get-together with her other old friends, and included in this group is one she used to date who is now just friends, and ILI didn't like that, saying something about NO girl he was with would or something, and she stated emphatically she was NOT EVER going to stop seeing her friends. My dh, responded to that with, "Oh, no, you don't want to make trouble with him - this is a good one" and I said, "Oh, 'SEE' knows what she is doing." Because I just perceive that SEEs don't need dating advice; they know what they are doing, and particularly in the case of duality. Furthermore, it plays out differently with Caretaker/Child than when its Aggressor/Victim, too, so we really aren't good advisers to this unfolding relation. They need to make their own priorities and parameters as this gets more serious (and I perceive its headed to serious, even though its just beginning. The word "marraige" was even mentioned, so you know its being thought about, already, which would not be unusual for Duals getting to know each other, dealing with that unexplained duality pull. So it will either continue on that route, or end - and I think because they are Duals it will continue!).

I told her I think its a good chance he is the Dual I have been praying she would find, the one, and the fact that she sees them as "opposites" is a good marker - because they have been seeing a lot of each other, doing a lot together, and I think their opposite-ness would start to grate on each other if they weren't Duals.

SEE says we should have them over to dinner so we can get to know him, so I said, just tell me when!

Shay - do you have any good ILI advice for making sure he is comfortable at dinner with us??

[Hays]

Am pleased for you @Eliza Thomason in regards to having the answer to your prayers and hope it's all going to be a good thing for your partners daughter's life.
In regards to having ILI over for dinner just keep things quite natural to help them fit in more and do show off some of your interests/hobbies to them as they will enjoy the enthusiasm from yourself as IEE.
Remember that the ILI very much likes the IEE so you can't do anything wrong really - just be yourself.

[Eliza Thomason]

Thanks so much for the advice, @Shay!

[Beautiful sky]

On these photos you remind me ENFJ, less ENFP.
You may look at ISTJ actors in my list, they should give strong sympathy in case your type is ENFJ, unlike for INFJ. Vice versa for ESTJs there.

girl at bottom-left reminds Si valued F type
at top-right - Fe type

you were typing my sister and my cousins here. The Fe one on top is ESE and my sister. I'm not in that picture

[Beautiful sky]

pic

[Beautiful sky]

One word that describes my look unkempt I need an Alpha female Beta woman to dress me up timeless and pretty

[Eliza Thomason]

Am pleased for you @Eliza Thomason in regards to having the answer to your prayers and hope it's all going to be a good thing for your partners daughter's life.
In regards to having ILI over for dinner just keep things quite natural to help them fit in more and do show off some of your interests/hobbies to them as they will enjoy the enthusiasm from yourself as IEE.
Remember that the ILI very much likes the IEE so you can't do anything wrong really - just be yourself.

Shay! It didn't work out with SEE/ILE. SEE said more and more things about him were irritating her, and also for the reason below its just not going to work. She wants to it work out that they remain friends. Its seemed so hopeful, but, after liking him even more after getting to know him during his visit here, I did see a warning sign before he left. Towards the end of the evening, he began to talk a lot about. He did mention he had PTSD issues, bad things happened when he was young, but he did not explain and of course I did not ask. Its great that he is going; its important to work out such things. But SEE explained now that in fact he sees the therapist 3x a week! So that's a red flag. Even if he is her Dual - I think he could be - if you are in the midst of therapy 3x a week you are really not ready to built a relationship (and he pretty much acknowledged that).

Back to square one.

[Hays]

Shay! It didn't work out with SEE/ILE. SEE said more and more things about him were irritating her, and also for the reason below its just not going to work. She wants to it work out that they remain friends. Its seemed so hopeful, but, after liking him even more after getting to know him during his visit here, I did see a warning sign before he left. Towards the end of the evening, he began to talk a lot about. He did mention he had PTSD issues, bad things happened when he was young, but he did not explain and of course I did not ask. Its great that he is going; its important to work out such things. But SEE explained now that in fact he sees the therapist 3x a week! So that's a red flag. Even if he is her Dual - I think he could be - if you are in the midst of therapy 3x a week you are really not ready to built a relationship (and he pretty much acknowledged that).

Back to square one.

Painful issues involved here so time out from a relationship for INTp may be good if your step daughter finds it all too difficult to support.

[1981slater]

Wow. In that pic, Maritsa looks like an EII I know

[Not A Communist Shill]

because it's consistent among EII VIs

Is that a -Fact?

show me one and I'll reevaluate it

Would this be an "evidence base" really not doing any ?

[The Reality Denialist]

She is EII in my books. Enough of the fairy tale humanist never hurt a caterpillar stereotypes. I doubt she is Ne subtype though. EII can be quite stubborn and contrary, why dont you think they partly clash with SLE?

I can see that clash.
Me and EII do not really clash. There may be some shudder moments between us (merely words that gets bit misinterpreted) but I can see how it could escalate when it comes to SLEs.

EII. I can not think anything else.

[Not A Communist Shill]

@Maritsa, would you consider yourself more or less introverted than Donald Trump and Oprah Winfrey (who you both type as introverts)?

[Beautiful sky]

I can see that clash.
Me and EII do not really clash. There may be some shudder moments between us (merely words that gets bit misinterpreted) but I can see how it could escalate when it comes to SLEs.

EII. I can not think anything else.

I generally love ILE. I just don't like it when they ignore me but I can see when they need that time away from Fi

[Beautiful sky]

I'm not EIE because my posture is stooping. I'm not elegant, stand straight up like a royalty like EIE do I clean after myself and do regular choirs. My place is clean and pleasant so much so that my LSE manager and neighbor likes to eat at my place. I don't ask others to do my cleaning. I also like to take care of myself by eating well, exercising and mostly I love to take care of family and friends for long periods of time. I'm mindful of the healthy qualities of children. For example the description of EIE says when driving somewhere an EIE ignores her kid's early being exposed to the open window in a car thus causing an early infection. This would never happen with me as I'm very caring and mindful.

[Eliza Thomason]

Painful issues involved here so time out from a relationship for INTp may be good if your step daughter finds it all too difficult to support.

Hi, Shay, I lost this conversation (since its off-topic) and just saw it. Yeah, it made me sad that she did not stick with the INTp but she saw issues... one of which she explained: Besides his counseling 2-3x a week, he goes to 12-step meetings and is very involved with running everything by his sponsor. So they would go to a meeting together, and she would suggest going out to eat (after working all day - he doesn't - and needing to work the next day, and having limited time available off from parenting for social evenings) and he would then have to call his sponsor for a LONG conversation on whether or not it was okay to go out to eat in a place that serves drinks. So, it seems like communication could fix that but maybe he is too busy working on himself right now to be available for a relationship right now. So, I will keep praying for her. It seems a SEE can easily pick the wrong person since they connect easily with most people with their open friendliness.

[Eliza Thomason]

I'm not EIE because my posture is stooping. I'm not elegant, stand straight up like a royalty like EIE do I clean after myself and do regular choirs.

Oh, that's interesting,. I have seen that EII can stoop a bit, some more than others, but also I have seen that the EIEs I know do stand straight like royalty, and they can enter a room with that very presence, especially after they dress up and clean up. EII cleans up nice with a real elegant presence, while EIE has a more regal one, I woudl say, from my experience.

My place is clean and pleasant so much so that my LSE manager and neighbor likes to eat at my place.

Is he married??

I don't ask others to do my cleaning.

It reminds me of my EIE neighbor, who had the upstairs half of the house we rented. When my son and I moved out, she wanted the more beautiful, roomy, and accessible first floor that we had. She talked about repainting, which it really did not need; we had been there a year and it was all fresh-painted when we got there - but she wanted to pick all her colors. When i went back to pick up some things a month later, she already had it entirely arranged and PAINTED. It was gorgeous, and everything was a new color in this very large 2 bedroom. I was shocked, and she explained she posted it on Facebook and all these friends and acquaintences came to help her paint and she got it done in a day!

EIE seem to know how they want their castles to be, and they know how to make it happen. My EIE sis-in-law brought bigger and bigger houses til they got their just-right spacious one with the spacious they are in now (and its so nice with 4 boys). A lot of people would have stayed with the first, which was more than adequate, but she kept going with the moves, taking advantage of markets and a good deal on a big one, until she got just the right one.

I also like to take care of myself by eating well, exercising

The EIEs I know are good at this.

and mostly I love to take care of family and friends for long periods of time. I'm mindful of the healthy qualities of children. For example the description of EIE says when driving somewhere an EIE ignores her kid's early being exposed to the open window in a car thus causing an early infection. This would never happen with me as I'm very caring and mindful.

Well I did not see my EIE sis-in-law raise her kids but I once got the impression from one or both of them that they don't worry about every little detail and that's how they get through it. Their kids are healthy and happy. With loving parents, kids adjust to their parents shortcomings. But what you say reminds me of my EII sis-in-law who was fastidious in making sure he kids were absolutely comfortable in their car seats before going anywhere. She would fuss with the straps being the right place, a cushion here and another here, or a blanket, and making sure a baby's head would not possibly tip uncomfortably if he fell asleep, etc. and she would NEVER have let wind blow on their faces. She got her husband involved in precise operation, too, so much that when one of his sibs saw this, she said, "When I die I want to come back as EII&SLE's baby!" Yes, she was mindful and caring in this.

[Beautiful sky]

Oh, that's interesting,. I have seen that EII can stoop a bit, some more than others, but also I have seen that the EIEs I know do stand straight like royalty, and they can enter a room with that very presence, especially after they dress up and clean up. EII cleans up nice with a real elegant presence, while EIE has a more regal one, I woudl say, from my experience.



Is he married??


It reminds me of my EIE neighbor, who had the upstairs half of the house we rented. When my son and I moved out, she wanted the more beautiful, roomy, and accessible first floor that we had. She talked about repainting, which it really did not need; we had been there a year and it was all fresh-painted when we got there - but she wanted to pick all her colors. When i went back to pick up some things a month later, she already had it entirely arranged and PAINTED. It was gorgeous, and everything was a new color in this very large 2 bedroom. I was shocked, and she explained she posted it on Facebook and all these friends and acquaintences came to help her paint and she got it done in a day!

EIE seem to know how they want their castles to be, and they know how to make it happen. My EIE sis-in-law brought bigger and bigger houses til they got their just-right spacious one with the spacious they are in now (and its so nice with 4 boys). A lot of people would have stayed with the first, which was more than adequate, but she kept going with the moves, taking advantage of markets and a good deal on a big one, until she got just the right one.

The EIEs I know are good at this.


Well I did not see my EIE sis-in-law raise her kids but I once got the impression from one or both of them that they don't worry about every little detail and that's how they get through it. Their kids are healthy and happy. With loving parents, kids adjust to their parents shortcomings. But what you say reminds me of my EII sis-in-law who was fastidious in making sure he kids were absolutely comfortable in their car seats before going anywhere. She would fuss with the straps being the right place, a cushion here and another here, or a blanket, and making sure a baby's head would not possibly tip uncomfortably if he fell asleep, etc. and she would NEVER have let wind blow on their faces. She got her husband involved in precise operation, too, so much that when one of his sibs saw this, she said, "When I die I want to come back as EII&SLE's baby!" Yes, she was mindful and caring in this.

the building manager is a girl.

[Eliza Thomason]

the building manager is a girl.

Oh, shucks!

[Raver]

Maritsa is EII, confirm.

[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa is EII, confirm.

Lol Raver

[Aylen]

I'm not EIE because my posture is stooping. I'm not elegant, stand straight up like a royalty like EIE do I clean after myself and do regular choirs. My place is clean and pleasant so much so that my LSE manager and neighbor likes to eat at my place. I don't ask others to do my cleaning. I also like to take care of myself by eating well, exercising and mostly I love to take care of family and friends for long periods of time. I'm mindful of the healthy qualities of children. For example the description of EIE says when driving somewhere an EIE ignores her kid's early being exposed to the open window in a car thus causing an early infection. This would never happen with me as I'm very caring and mindful.

You are not EIE but not because of posture or looks. You are not EIE because you do not use Fe as a base function. EIE can be attentive good parents and that example of EIE is bad for determining an EIE. I would not let the wind blow in a babies face since I have heard it can make some kids colicky and they will cry for hours. My ESE sister cried for hours at a time and it was stressful. Anything could trigger it. I think it is just common sense, and the majority of EIE I know would not do that either.

You are just not EIE. Any Fe you may exhibit is overshadowed by your Fi and I don't personally see Ni in your posts. I see Fi in just about everything you say and on occasion Ne in your posts. Confirmed and final.

Extroverted Ethics (Fe, )

EIIs can become expressive and very lively in groups for brief periods of time, but they always gravitate to deep, focused communication between two people or a small, close-knit group. They tend to shun wildness and prefer serious, more sensitive communication.

EIIs are usually very straightforward about their feelings in front of others; what you see from them is what you get. Even at a party where everyone is supposed to be happy, they still find it hard to conceal their true feelings when they are in a bad mood. This can create distaste among the rest who feel that the EII is not cooperating by contributing to the positive and boisterous mood. This tends to lead others who don't know the EII well to have a misconception that he/she is a grouchy person by nature.

Introverted Intuition (Ni, )

The individual is quite adept at following discussions on the developments of present trends into the future and at contributing to them on occasion if he feels so inclined, but he does not take that as seriously compared to investigating possibilities in the areas he is interested in at present. He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities.The individual is also not naive to future happenings. He will often warn others of negative consequences. In this way, he uses his Ni to help the PoLR of his dual. However, unlike an EIE, he will not often take his own advice nor expect others to. His Se PoLR makes it impossible for him to demand that others heed his advice, and his Ne-ego makes him place more value in the possibility that he is wrong - and that things will play out differently - than in avoiding foreseeable disasters.- See more at: http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t....f70TwSvc.dpuf

Extroverted Ethics (Fe, )

EIEs are naturally animate and passionate and are skilled at generating liveliness and excitement. They believe that people need to be emotionally involved in life, not distant or indifferent to the important things that are happening. EIEs often hold strong views about governance and social custom, though their beliefs stem from the interests of their close emotional relationships. EIEs like to involve people in interaction and create groups based around a shared experience. They tend to try to continually broaden these groups and engage people who seem to be on the sidelines. The individuals who the EIE is spending time with are far more important to the EIE than the event that is actually taking place. EIEs like to make their friends laugh, and employ an over-the-top style of humor. Often the joke is on the EIE, whether or not they know it.

EIEs are one of the most insightful types about the minds and inner workings of people, and as a result are likely to be skilled persuaders. Their sensitivity to the emotional flow around them allows them a relative sense of emotional control of a situation, and they have an uncanny ability to convince others, even without the use of logic.

EIEs generally don't use their persuasion tactics for manipulative gain over others (as much of their sense of self-worth comes from impacting people positively), but they've been known to use these tactics negatively in cases where they cannot win approval of their arguments. In many situations, nevertheless, EIEs value equality among social standards and do not mind taking the back seat if others wish to take the lead. EIEs love their friends, and they will do anything to keep them. Time spent alone for the EIE is often spent thinking about how to better interact with close relationships, even when time spent in those relationships is not particularly pleasing. Even when the other individual is hostile, if the EIE judges them to be a friend they will act in a caring fashion and show affection to the other.

Introverted Intuition (Ni, )

EIEs have a keen sense of the significance of the moment, life's flow of events, and the past and future evolution of things. The excitement they stimulate generally has to do with insensible things that can only be perceived over time, rather than with experiences that are captured in a specific moment. For example, they love to instill confidence in people by taking great detail to their problems and envisioning ways of handling them.

EIEs are quite able to "paint pictures with words", so to speak. They enjoy having objects around them that provide a connection to the past, such as ancient trinkets or souvenirs, old-fashioned things, and items from another time and place. They like to be aware of and talk about their place in history, as the EIE's concept of humanity itself is largely perceived through the sensation of trends over time. As a result, they like to imagine scenarios of different ways a situation can unfold with their imagination; such actions give them a sense of security about what is to come.

EIEs are very open about their feelings of hesitation, apprehension, anticipation, and anxiety regarding events. Sometimes they are melodramatic about risks and dangers, but this helps them and those around them to be aware of and to prepare for possible negative turns of events. It disappoints the EIE greatly when advice given to another is rejected, but not much weighs a helpful EIE down more than to see people wasting their potential by dwelling in their past problems. They tend to believe that people, regardless of long-term psychological mistreatment, can improve their lives to some extent.

EIEs reject the idea that life is just a sequence of ho-hum everyday events with no particular meaning. They want everything to have a grand or symbolic purpose that arouses the imagination and passions. For that matter, EIEs seek to define their unique purpose in life, and orient goals around the meaning they infer from their experiences across time. They constantly seek to improve the negative conditions surrounding them, and so tend to look for problems even when it isn't necessary.EIEs also frequently reflect on their dreams, making symbolizations of the events that occur in dreams and relating them to external reality. They enjoy contemplating on what their subconscious psyche is displaying to them.- See more at: http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t....hTMcc6a5.dpuf

[Beautiful sky]

You are not EIE but not because of posture or looks. You are not EIE because you do not use Fe as a base function. EIE can be attentive good parents and that example of EIE is bad for determining an EIE. I would not let the wind blow in a babies face since I have heard it can make some kids colicky and they will cry for hours. My ESE sister cried for hours at a time and it was stressful. Anything could trigger it. I think it is just common sense, and the majority of EIE I know would not do that either.

You are just not EIE. Any Fe you may exhibit is overshadowed by your Fi and I don't personally see Ni in your posts. I see Fi in just about everything you say and on occasion Ne in your posts. Confirmed and final.

I agree I'll say "let's do this..n" or cry when someone doesn't do something quietly but I won't make demands and won't throw fits when someone doesn't meet my advices.

[darya]

EIE can be attentive good parents and that example of EIE is bad for determining an EIE. I would not let the wind blow in a babies face since I have heard it can make some kids colicky and they will cry for hours. My ESE sister cried for hours at a time and it was stressful. Anything could trigger it. I think it is just common sense, and the majority of EIE I know would not do that either.

My mom's EIE and she's a great, warm and caring parent. She isn't nitpicky about food or too coddling about little things, she sees those as irrelevant. She was always much more concerned about education, reading to me for hours and talking and debating with me about worldly affairs lol. But she would never ever neglect me or put me in danger. What I do notice about her is that she's not particularly concerned about my health in the way some other parents are ("you have to wash your hands before every meal!!!!!" " here, have a lunchbox for every 3 minutes long activity. "). But then again, she suddenly gets concerned and just starts freaking out about every possible problem for years back.

Honestly, she's the best type of mum I could ask for, because I don't care about similar things. It's great to have a mom I can joke around with and disscuss things, and not having petty things interfere. If a child was of different type, she/he would most likely find her annoyingly dramatic, pretentious and not housewife mom-ish enough : ).

[Aylen]

My mom's EIE and she's a great, warm and caring parent. She isn't nitpicky about food or too coddling about little things, she sees those as irrelevant. She was always much more concerned about education, reading to me for hours and talking and debating with me about worldly affairs lol. But she would never ever neglect me or put me in danger. What I do notice about her is that she's not particularly concerned about my health in the way some other parents are ("you have to wash your hands before every meal!!!!!" " here, have a lunchbox for every 3 minutes long activity. "). But then again, she suddenly gets concerned and just starts freaking out about every possible problem for years back.

Honestly, she's the best type of mum I could ask for, because I don't care about similar things. It's great to have a mom I can joke around with and disscuss things, and not having petty things interfere. If a child was of different type, she/he would most likely find her annoyingly dramatic, pretentious and not housewife mom-ish enough : ).

I love this!

My biological parents are the reverse of yours. I didn't know my EIE dad growing up but he calls my mom and asks about about the health of my sister and me but mostly he asks if we are happy. That is very important to him. I think he carries guilt and I don't want him to. The time for that has passed and we are on another level now.

He is such a cheery, warm, caring person that I wish I could talk to him but he doesn't speak English and my Greek is terrible now. i understand him but can't respond so it gives me anxiety when I have to talk to him. He is not the person he was when he left. He raised 4 other children that adore him. He probably would have been a great dad but I would not trade him for the ILI stepdad I ended up with. <3 My EII sister makes more of an effort to communicate with him than I do. I just get too freaked out when I can't respond to his words. The language is still in my brain but it will not come out right. It is easier to respond to my mom because I have been around her my whole life and I don't even need words half the time to communicate with her. She just looks in a direction and makes a certain face and I know what she needs even if she reverts to Greek.

[Sol]

You are not EIE because you do not use Fe as a base function.

She has no Fi as base function. The problem is to understand this you both need better typing skills.

[Aylen]

She has no Fi as base function. The problem is to understand this you both need better typing skills.

and sol what exactly is Fi? Come on, tell me all about it. If you can't say stop making these comments to me. You don't appear to have logic but I won't retype you for it.

[Beautiful sky]

and sol what exactly is Fi? Come on, tell me all about it. If you can't say stop making these comments to me. You don't appear to have logic but I won't retype you for it.

Yes please define Fi and Fe

[Beautiful sky]

My mom's EIE and she's a great, warm and caring parent. She isn't nitpicky about food or too coddling about little things, she sees those as irrelevant. She was always much more concerned about education, reading to me for hours and talking and debating with me about worldly affairs lol. But she would never ever neglect me or put me in danger. What I do notice about her is that she's not particularly concerned about my health in the way some other parents are ("you have to wash your hands before every meal!!!!!" " here, have a lunchbox for every 3 minutes long activity. "). But then again, she suddenly gets concerned and just starts freaking out about every possible problem for years back.

Honestly, she's the best type of mum I could ask for, because I don't care about similar things. It's great to have a mom I can joke around with and disscuss things, and not having petty things interfere. If a child was of different type, she/he would most likely find her annoyingly dramatic, pretentious and not housewife mom-ish enough : ).

In that particular example, the EIE was flirting with the driver and thus didn't notice the open window and that's how the daughter got the ear infection

She has no Fi as base function. The problem is to understand this you both need better typing skills.

Fi is static white ethics. It observes Laws, rules, within relationships. These Rules are expresses through judgements "should" as in "people shouldn't do that" why? Because these are observed to be wrong according to the person's experience and cultural recognition of norms. They are passed down in families and society. For instance once or twice I observed a friend get shout at by her brother and she would go behind the building to cry. I followed her and comforted her. Upon listening to her feelings and how these feelings affected me internally I determined that "shouting at people isn't good" there's the ethics. That ethics then is used back to that society to keep harmonious relations. I told her brother "don't shout at her it makes her cry!" he didn't listen so I said "I'm not going to play with you. I'm going to play with just her." I've "punished" him in a sense by displaying displeasure of him when he doesn't abide by my ethics by not wanting to participate in his meanness.

[Aylen]

Yes please define Fi and Fe

I am pretty sure it's never gonna happen.

[Beautiful sky]

I am pretty sure it's never gonna happen.

Yet I will try again

Fe is dynamic black ethics it observes social ethics, things that shape change society moods etc. What black ethics would do in my friends situation is they would look at the boy who is expressing emotional outrage at the sister. Fe will look at the boy's shouting and determine him to be angry or the gir's crying and determine her to be sad. Ignoring white ethics. Fe will observe the boys emotions and come to expect that their behavior is like that.Fe doesn't set ideals for the boy or for the situation for the girl. They simply expect that the boy will shout at the sister. I've seen ESE say "don't shout at your sister" not "you shouldn't shout at your sister because it hurts her feelings"

Am I close?

[Aylen]

Yet I will try again

Fe is dynamic black ethics it observes social ethics, things that shape change society moods etc. What black ethics would do in my friends situation is they would look at the boy who is expressing emotional outrage at the sister. Fe will look at the boy's shouting and determine him to be angry or the gir's crying and determine her to be sad. Ignoring white ethics. Fe will observe the boys emotions and come to expect that their behavior is like that.Fe doesn't set ideals for the boy or for the situation for the girl. They simply expect that the boy will shout at the sister. I've seen ESE say "don't shout at your sister" not "you shouldn't shout at your sister because it hurts her feelings"

Oh I meant sol would not tell us.

We have both asked him previously to explain it.