The siblings Lucky Blue Smith and Pyper America Smith. I always get from their pictures although they are probably Alpha. They always seem to be arranged in some dual scenario, Lucky as the ST, Pyper as NF, and the other way around.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
This track, "In Distress". A$AP SLE and Gesaffelstein IEI. It's a pseudo-clean version? If you're at home turn up the volume, it's 1000% liiit.
The topics that he raps about are quintessential for Beta: authority, youth/growing up, establishing oneself, power, privacy, competition, one's place in society + reputation. The beats are haunting - almost odd - and thrive on flow/repetition and playing with those themes instead of variety (Ni over Ne). The lyrics themselves are intricate in a sense of making both sense while displaying detail - abundant congruency, that's Ti.
The first one SLE - IEI and the second one LSI -EIE, common scenes in Russian web
"The Commander easily calms down his dual by threatening to punish the offenders and to restore justice. Sometimes he puts The Lyricist to shame, teaches him lessons of courage and endurance. Together with such a strong personality The Lyricist is ready to overcome everything, believing in success. He needs moral support, without which his vital tonus decreases. He needs, too, a support of an authoritative partner, who understands instructions and rules, possesses penetrative skills, realism and practical intelligence."
So hawt
Always, I was just thinking on earlier in the thread, how is Hades and Persephone SLE-IEI? It's clearly an example of ILI-SEE duality from Hades. Persephone started as a sweet littl girl, but then she became pretty formidable. Hades is also really brooding and introverted while she's more flamboyant, and he used his to know what she'd become and that she'd end up really loving him and being dark and powerful together. Please don't use Greek myths if you barely know anything about them. Even if Persephone were IEI because of the milquetoast women stereotype (which is also sad and wrong) there's no way Hades would be SLE.
Persephone: The coming up and going down of () of what is deep under the Earth ()
Hades: The hidden aspects () of the physical structure of the Earth ()
http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Persephone.html
http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Haides.html
Also, Persephone's name literally means Destroy-Slay. So milquetoast.
EIE/LSI duality in a nutshell:
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(If anyone doubts Jean Grey is EIE and Scott Summers is LSI, please give me a decent argument that I'll have to actually spend at least a couple minutes demolishing.)
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I was going to reply to your ESE vs EIE thread but you closed it, genuinely I'm perplex by your confusion is it a case of Enneagram 2 being at the route cause of it? That's because E2 is generally ESE whilst E4 is EIE, with emotions much more self-absorbed and detached.
What makes you relate to being a two out of interest?
@Soupman I think most EIEs would tend to be E1 if they were honest about how they acted rather than how they wanted to act, and ESEs would be E3. In any case I don't think it's useful to mix Enneagram with this since I'm not sure the way it's normally asked is valid. But what I mean with the first thing is EIE are withdrawn negativists wth a ridiculous Superman/Paladin-like moral code that stops them from doing naything when they're unhealthy, and ESEs are like Wörk wörk (check out pictures of scholarship winners, valedictorians, Employees of the Month, etc.) rather than people who are fixated on helping the needy when they're unhealthy.
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@Resonare So did I, although Magneto is really definitely LIE IMO (which is expected since Dr. X is ILE and heroes and nemesises are pretty much always quasi-identicals).
Mr.Darcy (LSI) and Elizabeth (EIE) from Pride and Prejudice (2005).
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@Der I appreciate your effort but that looks to me like IEI man/SLE woman...
This particular scene may make him look like a Victim type...
I'd say Darcy is either ILI or SLI, subtype.
HA- to love, obviously.
Known for being "unfriendly" and "grim" in social situations and so forth, which is rather PoLR.
And his "aristocratic" attitude – thinking their union is unfavorable because of different social standings (he is also likely So/Sp, which just "boosts" this attitude) speaks for SLI > ILI.
(Besides the fact he just doesn't show any signs of being lead, apart from his Victim-y attitude in the Keira Knightley movie. You could argue he is more Victim-y there, because the subtype of SLI is more Victim-y, given that Caretaker and Victim Romance Style are on the same axis... anyway...)
And I always just assumed Elizabeth was IEE-Fi.
(A free spirit, humanitarian, gregarious in social situations which speaks for ExFx, etc.
She is the "prejudiced" one, and is stereotypically known for harboring certain personal biases towards people they dislike for whatever reason.)
So, it is either Delta Duality or Mirage, IMO.
The Delta "vibe" in their interaction is much more obvious in this version:
^ In the second video, I find their is very subdued/unvalued, especially in Darcy's case.
The way they just quietly continue walking after Elizabeth confesses she feels differently now, seems like > to me.
Maybe I am wrong, but I'd imagine more passion in that scene if they were Betas. Granted, the Victorian people were all rather restrained in their emotional expression, conventionally.
It is a whole other question whether Victorian people were mostly Delta. At least many of their views and conventions seem to point towards "Delta influences".
I've always thought Darcy was LII and Elisabeth was ESE..
(That was supposed to be "Like"... @Persephone)
@Der that's common in music and drama, but it's not duality.
Nope. Too bad for you =P
I hope most "victims" don't just lay there like dead fish.
http://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-h...ish-during-sex
http://www.thedatereport.com/dating/...-do-it-better/
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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@SisOfNight
Yes. I see her showing him how to be the kind of strong she wants; challenging him to accept the leadership role (pic 1), gain skills (2), and perceptions (4) of her social context so that she can feel him to be a worthy protector (3). I don't think victimhood is as 100% passive as it's sometimes made out to be...
EDIT: Just remembered that character was played by Zoe Saldana. Duh.
"All men must die; but we are not men." - Khaleesi
Well, on the Victimhood thing, it actually comes across to me a sort of exchange where the Victim actively sacrifices more explicit, physical power to gain implicit, mental and emotional power over the Aggressor and make them do things (like making a vacuum so the Aggressor is forced into it), although most people seem to be way, way more in-tune with than for cultural reasons and don't see that much (along with not being able to link the concepts to real life much of the time generally). I think we just need somewhat modified terms for the "erotic styles" (some people have observed that they can also go beyond romance, in which case I would say the very passive act of taunting someone or egging them on is Victim-y, among other things).
@Der, as portrayed in the movie, yes sure. In real life it might be questionable. re: A.B.M.
EIE and LSI.
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@Cassandra, I agree that she looks ESI in that scene. I sometimes buy lunch at a University bistro from a woman who has taken an interest in me for unknown reasons (except that I type her as ESI*), and she and the woman in the video appear to act very, very similarly. It's like, observe, pause, then a little pounce. Observe again, pause, pounce.
*Her interest has got to be platonic; I must be just someone nice to talk to, since she told me she is married, but it doesn't feel that way. She watches me as I interact with the other customers, who are mostly women. She seems incredibly practical and realistic.
I know that she's doing Fi/Se the way I'm doing Te/Ni, and I sometimes wish I could swap brains for a bit to see what that would be like.
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