“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
this thread makes me cringe by the lack of actual facts.
Just to be boring: written socionics' theory is already a bit blurry and hard as fck to get someone's type right considering it's how ppl comprehend the world and themselves in the world. It can lead to certain behaviours, but afaik it's not a golden rule to say that if someone act or dress a certain way then he's this type 100%. By this simple thought, pictures about people have no significance over some peeps type, it shows how they dress, and if you're some crazy psyche you can approximately deduce what their behaviour is (and that's a big motherfucker if here).
So, how I see it, it's some bunch of people fantasizing about some romance they could have had with someone and how that'd have made them feel.
I'm not saying that everything you've posted is wrong (i actually don't know), sometimes it just seems like you pulled it out of your ass from a previous feeling or desire you've experienced or have wanted to experience.
Te valuing, much? Wrong thread for that, haha.Originally Posted by Mega
Exactly, this is no typing thread, hahaha.
It has been a while since I read them, but in the books, Lestat does not seem SLE. He even seems a bit 4ish, at times. EIE would not be a bad typing. I would have to use more imagination to see him as an exemplar of SLE though.
http://vampirechronicles.wikia.com/w...t_de_LioncourtHaving been illiterate as a human, after becoming a vampire Lestat learned how to read first in French and then in English, developing a great love of literature that made him quite the academic and a fondness for colloquialisms. He chooses to write his novels in English and notes that despite his French accent he speaks English "like a cross between a boatman and Sam Spade". As an academic, Lestat became a creature of great philosophical thinking, proposing the deep questions of ‘are my actions good or bad?’, ‘what makes a person happy?’, ‘Is there a God?’ and ‘Am I in His plan?’.
Lestat.
It can be argued that Lestat is far from being a monster as he was painted in Interview with the Vampire. In his autobiographyThe Vampire Lestat he is quick to defend his behaviour, repeatedly attempting to convince people that he is hardly the monster previous narrators have portrayed him to be. In much of the book and in The Queen of the Damned, he is presented as a fun-loving hero who even gallantly leads the charge against the vampire queen Akasha.
Lestat is a creature capable of love, being first portrayed in the series as a bisexual who is attracted to whoever interests him. He spent most of his early experiences with male lovers and spending his time in the company of men, because as he admits men in the past centuries were more interesting than women and secondly he is frightened of women, finding them extremely distracting. Over time Lestat developed a greater love for humanity than ever before despite his savage relationship with mankind, and so viewed his life as "the Savage Garden", filled with beauty and death.
Lestat is capable of showing concern for the welfare of others, exhibiting a strong altruistic nature at several stages in the series, for instance, upon being made a vampire, he sent large gifts to his family and friends, purchased the theatre where he once worked and settled the debts of his old manager, Renaud. Later, following the murder of his brothers and family in the French Revolution, Lestat stepped forward to care for his ailing father, the only surviving member of his family, despite their hate filled relationship. Lestat also displays a moral inclination, frequently hunting evildoers instead of feeding from innocent victims, although he does not always abide by this rule.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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@Mega & @SisOfNight you had an interesting discussion there
I see Mega's point but as you said written description isn't easy and don't forget that duality is an interaction and describing interactions is harder than describing type since you'll either make it abstract and harder to relate to real life or you will give a written example which doesn't capture the non-verbal clues in the interaction
So I think using pics to fill the gap is really helpful (true some will get it wrong, but it shows that they didn't understand the written description so others with better understanding can help and explain it better)
and since it is an interaction as I said, I am afraid to say that I agree with @Sol that videos are the best way to show it < but personally I won't go search for videos that shows duality
For those arguing whether these images are accurate or not, I don't think that is really the point of this thread. It seems to be more about impressions. At the very least, it's interesting to see what others think these dual relationships might be like in a visual way. It's best just see them as opinions and speculation and not as hard facts.
someday the grapes will be wine
and someday you will be mine
EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx
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"Oh, baby. I love you because you’re an idiot. You make me feel like a genius."
— Lady Rainicorn to Jake, Adventure Time
Clear Victim-Aggressor dynamic here.
(Louis, IEI. Lestat, SLE.)
I always thought Lestat seemed EIE or LIE.
someday the grapes will be wine
and someday you will be mine
EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx
You thought you saw Se HA in Lestat, hm?
It is more likely he is exhibiting Fe HA, IMO (hence your impression of him being EIE).
INFps typing fictional characters:You thought you saw Se HA in Lestat, hm?
It is more likely he is exhibiting Fe HA, IMO (hence your impression of him being EIE).
insightful ESFj - INFp
INTj who never talks - INFp
sexy ISFp - INFp
depressed ENTp - INFp
interesting ISTj - INFp
misunderstood ESTp - INFp
awkward ENFj - INFp
popular INFj - INFp
ENFp who happens to be asleep atm - INFp
paranoid ESTj - INFp
redeemable ISTp - INFp
romantic INTp - INFp
ISFj with a heart of gold - INFp
ESFp who loves life - stupid INFp
ENTj - ESTp
someday the grapes will be wine
and someday you will be mine
EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx
Lestat is EIE.
Why?
I still think he's rather SLE, haha.
I think you're confusing his boldness with Se lead and narcissism with Fe HA. Any vain person can be seen as having Fe HA. That's why hidden agendas of types are largely tampered with motivations coming from one's E-type. I think Ni-creatives are sometimes mistyped for SLE for exactly this reason - like all the ESTP typings of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho who's a clear case of LIE.Why?
I still think he's rather SLE, haha.
Lestat is almost a parody of EIE : ). (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lestat_de_Lioncourt)
Because of his boldness, enthusiasm, and defiance, Lestat's seniors refer to him affectionately as "The Brat Prince", a title of which he is very fond. He is very vain and concerned with fashion, and will pause mid-narrative to remind the reader what he is wearing. He enjoys performing on stage, which he does as both a mortal actor in Paris, France and a vampire in his rock band called The Vampire Lestat, that he forms with a group of humans in the 1980s.
Lestat is also fond of music; he sings and plays the piano and violin. Although he is illiterate as a mortal man, he learns to read and loves literature as a vampire. In one period of his life, he becomes a hermit and spends every night holed up at home, reading.
The first language that Lestat learns is French, although he "writes" his novels in English. In The Vampire Lestat, he notes that despite his French accent, he speaks English "like a cross between a boatman and Sam Spade" and is fond of slang.
Throughout his long life, Lestat is plagued by common philosophical questions, such as "Are my actions good or bad?", "Is there a God?", "Am I in His plan?", "What happens after death?", and "What makes a person happy?" He finds himself more in love with humanity than ever before, despite his relationship with mankind being savage. For a while, he sees life as "the Savage Garden," filled with beauty and death.
Lestat exhibits a strong altruistic nature at several points in the series. For instance, after he first becomes a vampire, he sends large gifts to his family and friends, purchases the theatre where he once worked, and settles the debts of his old manager, Lestat also frequently hunts evildoers instead of feeding from innocent victims, although he does not always abide by this rule.
As a vampire, Lestat's abilities include telepathy, mind reading, superhuman physical attributes, and rapid healing.
Thanks, that's sort of what I gathered. I've read the graphic novel (which is really pretty) and seen the movie, and in the movie I thought the characters seemed LII and LIE (the Antonio Banderas guy might have been SLE though). I only read a little bit of the books but Lestat read as very EIE to me in that, lol.
someday the grapes will be wine
and someday you will be mine
EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx
I've also thought at first this was a female EIE - male LSI combination, but with a bit of imagination you can almost see any Beta Duality combination with the two of them.
Heheh yes.. I just immediately saw the female and really felt akin to her pose, look, etc. Actually this looks a lot like how me and IEI male look togetherI've also thought at first this was a female EIE - male LSI combination, but with a bit of imagination you can almost see any Beta Duality combination with the two of them.
SLE & IEI
SLI-IEE
some beta couple
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Whats with all these white knight defenders??? Where is the romance? Where is the no I don't want it right now, not in front if everybody, why are you showing off, this isnt the right place and right time? Yes I want to, no stop it leave me alone, dont make me laugh right now.. Ok lets do it, you cant tame me even if you try... Dont try.... (Please try).
Bunch of bare chested women with some kronk with a sword is not victim aggressor.
There is no romance. It is a time for war, and not love. People don't get the luxuries of frolicing in the fields.
Meanwhile, back in reality.... I would be hard pressed, better yet impossible to convince there is no romance, nor love, nor a frolick in a field maybe even leading up to and including a romp.
I did post something like that right here. I happened to come upon that scene while looking for something else and thought it was good for the thread. I have not typed the characters since I prefer to immerse myself in shows/movies without analyzing the types. When I am not on the forum socionics does not cross my mind much so what I post in threads like this are impressions in the moment and I probably have a browser open at the time. I will stay alert.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
The thing is, most "romantic" IEI-SLE interactions are too NSFW, so...
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