Complementary elements - how does this work?

[Myst]

If you look at any behaviors of chimpanzees, they're so much like us that it's like looking into a mirror.

Maybe for you it's like looking into a mirror. Not for some other people.

So the chimpanzees act like us, and yet it does not appear like they're "thinking" like us, as in they don't verbalize their thoughts. So what is it that they're thinking? What drives their behavior?

They don't verbalize their feelings either.

[Singu]

No, you are still comparing it to refined logic... that's not the correct comparison. Example: rats finding their way in the maze, that needs a little logic too even if primitive. Not just emotions.

That's not an understanding of causality and causal mechanisms, which I believe is required for using tools and solving problems. Rats didn't use logic to solve problems, they were just navigating the maze and navigating maze alone, they couldn't solve any other problems using the same universal logic. Logic implies this universality that can be applied to anything.

By logic, I mostly mean this understanding of causality. It seems that great apes even show understanding of causality in social relations, but not say, monkeys do.

Maybe for you it's like looking into a mirror. Not for some other people.

They don't verbalize their feelings either.

Such ignorance... I doubt that you have actually looked into it.

Can you seriously say that this is nothing like human behavior?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6742UPsOO5Y







And this is a video caught on tape, a group of chimpanzees taking down an alpha male that they didn't like:

[Myst]

That's not an understanding of causality and causal mechanisms, which I believe is required for using tools and solving problems. Rats didn't use logic to solve problems, they were just navigating the maze and navigating maze alone, they couldn't solve any other problems using the same universal logic. Logic implies this universality that can be applied to anything.

Finding your way in a maze is problem solving too. And the "universal logic" (the more refined version) gets based in that imo.

By logic, I mostly mean this understanding of causality. It seems that great apes even show understanding of causality in social relations, but not say, monkeys do.

See above

Such ignorance... I doubt that you have actually looked into it.

No, it's not ignorance, it's simply disagreement.

Can you seriously say that this is nothing like human behavior?

Like I said, I certainly do not feel like I am looking in a mirror when watching these videos.

I'm sorry, that's just how it is. Not everyone's gonna share in your revelations.