Jordan Peterson

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Wow, didn't know Jordan Peterson was going to be so disagreed upon. I think he seems Ti base. Tbh, though, I just came here to see Alive type him as IEI.

[Park]

I like Vaknin's description of Jordan Peterson — "master of banalities and king of cliches." I do think he is overrated and somewhat full of himself.

[Metamorph]

I like Vaknin's description of Jordan Peterson — "master of banalities and king of cliches." I do think he is overrated and somewhat full of himself.

Jordan Peterson is like Joe Rogan but with more academic credentials and no DMT obsession. I think people mostly watch him for the guests.

[Amoeba]

Jordan Peterson is like Joe Rogan but with more academic credentials and no DMT obsession. I think people mostly watch him for the guests.

He talks about dmt too.

[lynn]

After looking a bit more into this, I think EIE-Ni-HN subtype is the most likely typing for Jordan Peterson.

[Adam Strange]

After looking a bit more into this, I think EIE-Ni-HN subtype is the most likely typing for Jordan Peterson.

@lynn, what makes you think that Jordan Peterson is EIE-Ni-HN?

[lynn]

@lynn, what makes you think that Jordan Peterson is EIE-Ni-HN?

I think he's EIE, because he's a psychology professor who combines mysticism with psychology and other scientific fields. But in fact, he's mainly a motivational speaker, who appears a bit like a preacher. He's also accused by people of "performing theatre", rather than basing his ideas on actual facts or presenting coherent logical arguments, which makes F > T more likely (EIE in particular). The evidence he provides for his reasoning is consistently bad. It's either some mystical teaching, reference to religion, or he misquotes or misapplies research findings from various scientific fields. However, he doesn't develop any scientific thought of his own. Also, he calls himself a neuroscientist, without having the credentials for this. It's a performance as well. A lot of these points are mentioned by the guy in the video posted by @Sanguine Miasma about Jordan Peterson.

In general, his personal life and his teachings don't match up lol https://twitter.com/commiejudoka/sta...985345/photo/1
He's a workaholic, his Lion's Diet, the drug addiction, etc., doesn't indicate good Si. He's actually a bit of a Si-polr stereotype. His support of hierarchies and his lobster-example (fight for dominance) excludes Alpha and Delta-quadra and seems Se-HA. While also other types are possible (I guess, NT? LIE?), he fulfils the social mission of EIE perfectly well and his logic seems most of the time flawed, even though he values it (1d-Ti), that's why I find this type the most likely at this point.

DCNH-wise, he seems to be HN or (maybe HDN, and it's his E1-ness who makes him appear more normalizing).
H: He's working in the field of psychology, drawn towards mysticism and religion. His speech is mostly long-winded explanations, not very precise. He takes forever to come to the main point (if ever).
N: He also seems disciplined and calls out for order. His overall philosophy that we need following our obligations in society, which is also reflected in his professional role as a professor (instructor/teacher) and his pull towards academia which is a highly structured environment.
But based on what he actually does, he's mainly a speaker, with a few entrepreneurial ventures on the side such as selling his books and merchandise, I guess. There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think he's EIE, because he's a psychology professor who combines mysticism with psychology and other scientific fields. But in fact, he's mainly a motivational speaker, who appears a bit like a preacher. He's also accused by people of "performing theatre", rather than basing his ideas on actual facts or presenting coherent logical arguments, which makes F > T more likely (EIE in particular). The evidence he provides for his reasoning is consistently bad. It's either some mystical teaching, reference to religion, or he misquotes or misapplies research findings from various scientific fields. However, he doesn't develop any scientific thought of his own. Also, he calls himself a neuroscientist, without having the credentials for this. It's a performance as well. A lot of these points are mentioned by the guy in the video posted by @Sanguine Miasma about Jordan Peterson.

In general, his personal life and his teachings don't match up lol https://twitter.com/commiejudoka/sta...985345/photo/1
He's a workaholic, his Lion's Diet, the drug addiction, etc., doesn't indicate good Si. He's actually a bit of a Si-polr stereotype. His support of hierarchies and his lobster-example (fight for dominance) excludes Alpha and Gamma-quadra and seems Se-HA. While also other types are possible (I guess, NT? LIE?), he fulfils the social mission of EIE perfectly well and his logic seems most of the time flawed, even though he values it (1d-Ti), that's why I find this type the most likely at this point.

DCNH-wise, he seems to be HN or (maybe HDN, and it's his E1-ness who makes him appear more normalizing).
H: He's working in the field of psychology, drawn towards mysticism and religion. His speech is mostly long-winded explanations, not very precise. He takes forever to come to the main point (if ever).
N: He also seems disciplined and calls out for order. His overall philosophy that we need following our obligations in society, which is also reflected in his professional role as a professor (instructor/teacher) and his pull towards academia which is a highly structured environment.
But based on what he actually does, he's mainly a speaker, with a few entrepreneurial ventures on the side such as selling his books and merchandise, I guess. There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

The problem with Peterson is that he has never sat down to actually study hard sciences. It is sort of must if you want to be even hobbyist in it. Yes, I have seen some students "interested" in science in similar manner before (I don't say that they are identicals). The truth is that they never seem to pass the exams. There needs to be some sort of humility present to overcome the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is sort of amazing how far he went in the academia (I suppose it is/was doable in psych).

[Adam Strange]

I think he's EIE, because he's a psychology professor who combines mysticism with psychology and other scientific fields. But in fact, he's mainly a motivational speaker, who appears a bit like a preacher. He's also accused by people of "performing theatre", rather than basing his ideas on actual facts or presenting coherent logical arguments, which makes F > T more likely (EIE in particular). The evidence he provides for his reasoning is consistently bad. It's either some mystical teaching, reference to religion, or he misquotes or misapplies research findings from various scientific fields. However, he doesn't develop any scientific thought of his own. Also, he calls himself a neuroscientist, without having the credentials for this. It's a performance as well. A lot of these points are mentioned by the guy in the video posted by @Sanguine Miasma about Jordan Peterson.

In general, his personal life and his teachings don't match up lol https://twitter.com/commiejudoka/sta...985345/photo/1
He's a workaholic, his Lion's Diet, the drug addiction, etc., doesn't indicate good Si. He's actually a bit of a Si-polr stereotype. His support of hierarchies and his lobster-example (fight for dominance) excludes Alpha and Delta-quadra and seems Se-HA. While also other types are possible (I guess, NT? LIE?), he fulfils the social mission of EIE perfectly well and his logic seems most of the time flawed, even though he values it (1d-Ti), that's why I find this type the most likely at this point.

DCNH-wise, he seems to be HN or (maybe HDN, and it's his E1-ness who makes him appear more normalizing).
H: He's working in the field of psychology, drawn towards mysticism and religion. His speech is mostly long-winded explanations, not very precise. He takes forever to come to the main point (if ever).
N: He also seems disciplined and calls out for order. His overall philosophy that we need following our obligations in society, which is also reflected in his professional role as a professor (instructor/teacher) and his pull towards academia which is a highly structured environment.
But based on what he actually does, he's mainly a speaker, with a few entrepreneurial ventures on the side such as selling his books and merchandise, I guess. There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

A tour de force of an analysis, and I’m convinced.

[Lilli98]

In general, his personal life and his There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

What do you mean by the "movement part"?

[lynn]

What do you mean by the "movement part"?

I meant physical movement/body language... I noticed to late that it's awkwardly worded.

When he's talking he sometimes has a rigid posture, but he often has a "self-submerged", relaxed look which shows up and seems like his primary mode. C-subtypes behave differently.

[Ikite iru]

It's interesting how many videos I've found of him crying

https://youtube.com/shorts/s4MWzgsQtPs?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/5EUZ3pKgJx4?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/zu5Z1l0n8CA?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/owldEcByzOg?feature=share

(This is just a small sample-size)

Incidentally I happen to have the photo of me with him and thought you guys might find it interesting. This would've been in late spring of 2018

Me_JP-min - Copy.jpg

From a purely physical perspective, he looks like a dominant subtype. He's also initiating, talkative, doesn't shy away from confrontations and arguments.

[Park]

Rogan > Peterson

[welcometomania]

LSI

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Every therapist ever gets typed as an EIE. Gee, wonder why. Maybe because they're literally trained to speak using certain language.

[godslave]

This guy gives might have an Idea about his enneagram Type...

[timber]

This guy gives might have an Idea about his enneagram Type...

I'm Canadian and familier with Gabor. What would you type him?

[godslave]

I'm Canadian and familier with Gabor. What would you type him?

I was just jokingly saying that Gabor Maté might have typed Peterson Enneagram 9 had he knew Enneagram and/or been asked about it. He basically said in that video that Peterson have anger issues which is the Theme of the Gut Types. Like I said I was just kidding.
Now, about Gabor Maté Type, I'm not very familiar with him and his work but He seems like an EII to me, this is my first guess. I might investigate about his Type a little bit further because he seems like a very interesting person and I kinda feel some affinities towards him in terms of way of thinking.

[Rusal]

I just made a thread on the subtypes and the writer conveniently mentions Peterson. This is what he has to say:

​The manifestation of temperament in distant subtypes can be tricky to detect. Being distant makes them appear low energy, seemingly not showing any type of expected activity. For example, N-EIE may spend days philosophizing about the folly of human nature in a calm manner (I’m looking at you, Jordan Peterson), and all is well while their views are accepted by their interlocutor. So, where is the temperament? A distant Linear-Assertive subtype may not even show any of the displays that we might expect from a typical Linear-Assertive type. Jordan Peterson might even appear as a Balanced-Stable thoughtful scholar at times. How can this be? Well, to see the manifestation of temperament, you need to introduce some sort of disruptive trigger from the external environment. Just try to pick a fight with Jordan Peterson and you will quickly see his LA emerge and be unleashed on a poor interviewer:

[Bethanyclaire]

I don’t know much about this bloke apart from the fact that some women I admire think it could be a red flag if a man admires him..actually someone I dated kept mentioning him, he wasn’t a bad guy but he seemed a bit vulnerable and like he wasn’t sure how to connect with a woman..and slightly devious, just slightly.

[timber]

I don’t know much about this bloke apart from the fact that some women I admire think it could be a red flag if a man admires him..actually someone I dated kept mentioning him, he wasn’t a bad guy but he seemed a bit vulnerable and like he wasn’t sure how to connect with a woman..and slightly devious, just slightly.

Why not form your own opinions?

[Bethanyclaire]

Why not form your own opinions?

I think I know just about enough now..(he’s annoying )I worry about men admiring people like him. I don’t know how much I need to know about him? I don’t really fall for guys who have right wing/radical views. I think people like him prey on vulnerable people. I’m reading a book about the phenomenon of ‘soft boys’ atm, and the writer mentions this guy. I’m kinda fascinated by this idea of men ‘weaponising’ self awareness, and using it to gain advantage with women. The guy I dated was kinda sleazy but really seemed to think he was a gent. I worry a bit that he has some unrealistic expectations of relationships..like he thinks a woman needs to put his emotional needs before hers- and he’ll end up in a bad ITR due to that? Or just not become close to someone. We weren’t compatible..but he seemed a bit too comfortable in himself/his free spirited life style..but he didn’t seem fulfilled. And he seemed to think that I wanted to be ‘teased’, ‘guided’ or misled..maybe some women like a bit of that but I wouldn’t really call it ‘mature’. And in return expected more affection? Attention seeking rather than connection? I missed out on dating when young so I’m no expert but those are my thoughts atm.

I kinda do wanna read the thread though..the fact that he intrigues men is interesting

[Manatroid92]

I think I know just about enough now..(he’s annoying )I worry about men admiring people like him. I don’t know how much I need to know about him? I don’t really fall for guys who have right wing/radical views. I think people like him prey on vulnerable people. I’m reading a book about the phenomenon of ‘soft boys’ atm, and the writer mentions this guy. I’m kinda fascinated by this idea of men ‘weaponising’ self awareness, and using it to gain advantage with women. The guy I dated was kinda sleazy but really seemed to think he was a gent. I worry a bit that he has some unrealistic expectations of relationships..like he thinks a woman needs to put his emotional needs before hers- and he’ll end up in a bad ITR due to that? Or just not become close to someone. We weren’t compatible..but he seemed a bit too comfortable in himself/his free spirited life style..but he didn’t seem fulfilled. And he seemed to think that I wanted to be ‘teased’, ‘guided’ or misled..maybe some women like a bit of that but I wouldn’t really call it ‘mature’. And in return expected more affection? Attention seeking rather than connection? I missed out on dating when young so I’m no expert but those are my thoughts atm.

I kinda do wanna read the thread though..the fact that he intrigues men is interesting

Ironically most of the stuff he as written that actually helps men is just general self-help (that could be gotten anywhere) with some Christian and weird Freudian stuff added as spice.
I don't know if he's really written much outside of that, but you're right to be a little apprehensive of men who idolize him: at best they're fans who genuinely don't know or understand what he does outside of writing self-help, and at worst, well...I'm sure you already know.

[Bethanyclaire]

Ironically most of the stuff he as written that actually helps men is just general self-help (that could be gotten anywhere) with some Christian and weird Freudian stuff added as spice.
I don't know if he's really written much outside of that, but you're right to be a little apprehensive of men who idolize him: at best they're fans who genuinely don't know or understand what he does outside of writing self-help, and at worst, well...I'm sure you already know.

yh and of course I can empathise with men wanting to learn about psychology/pop psychology. And he does have something vulnerable seeming about him..I think we’re living in a time when men want to be more in touch with their emotions, but there still aren’t enough good role models/ spaces for men to work on this side of themselves. People like JP can seem like they have all the answers.

and women need to be mindful of men being kinda ‘half-enlightened’, or projecting an image of being more emotionally intelligent than they actually are (or have become). Because it can just be another way to control/dominate said women- ‘look, I’m so emotionally intelligent, why don’t you listen to me, why don’t you respect me’..and women who still tend to have the natural edge when it comes to emotional intelligence are all like ‘but he seemed so nice at first!’

[The Reality Denialist]

Ironically most of the stuff he as written that actually helps men is just general self-help (that could be gotten anywhere) with some Christian and weird Freudian stuff added as spice.
I don't know if he's really written much outside of that, but you're right to be a little apprehensive of men who idolize him: at best they're fans who genuinely don't know or understand what he does outside of writing self-help, and at worst, well...I'm sure you already know.

Someone has actually said it. It is enlightening to hear his speech. I'm paying mainly for that.
Then you listen more them. Although it is nice to hear him I do not really like the way he has made into a business and how he markets his family as if it the center of the universe. The content is also one sided pathos.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think Gabor Mate is an EII. People need not to be changed but they need to become who they actually are. That's an EII phrase right there.

[Ikite iru]

Gabor Mate - IEI-N

[godslave]

I think he's a brilliant man no doubt... BUT he has emerged at the right Time at the right moment because this Zeitgeist called for it. This mist where people got lost, created a demand from his clientele which he offered. The devaluation of "Gentleman-hood " (I mean it in its most noble way) because of some kind of revolution which is reminiscent of ancient Epic tales with the Rise of the Amazons and all that Phallic war "The Phallus is me !". He seduced folks from all sides but it's true that his book and speeches have been revered and hijacked by Men on the other side of "the cause".

JP is depicting a world of which he is the Hero. He has overcome every obstacle life throws at him. Every victory being a glorious one, every battle is Epic and of Titanic proportion. He is the messenger, the illuminated. He's the Hero who will bring things to equilibrium and Tame Nature itself ! This is how he comes across to a lot of people who took his bait. He has built a niche of which he is the Queen Bee. People follow him because He talked a Talk that he has walked, at least this is how he presented it with his victim narrative. I was weak, Now I'm strong ! Follow me and you'll be strong too ! And people go "Yeah !!". It's human nature , in time of instability and frustration people look for heroes. JP has declared war to adversity ! Life is a ferocious beast, it's ugly that's its true nature revealed JP. All the prophets said the same thing, and JP invokes their names : Jung ! Machiavelli ! Freud ! Dostoevsky ! And JP learned, and JP spreaded and JP incarnated ! There are leaders, and there are followers. "Write your own Gamebook ! (in my own Image)" is the essence of his message. Where there is a will, there is a way ! If you are willing to sacrifice everything for it !

If after watching the video above you think that he has not a EIE TIM, think again...

[Eliza Thomason]

Sometime I will read this whole thread, because yes, Jordan Peterson is very interesting*, and I would like to see what people's thought's are here on his type.

When a person catches my interest as Peterson has, many times I have a fast, intuitive guess of what a their type is, and it often later turns out to be right, But in this case I do not have a sure guess. Though I will teel that my first thought, even though not strong, for a possible type for him was LII, because, what a mind. Also the VI, a bit. I do not know of and have not met a psychologist/psychotherapist LII, but certainly a LII is capable of choosing that place to invest their considerable intelligent thought in, and a LII would also be excellent at communicating their wide and deep thought in a clear and straightforward way, as Jordan does. LII is one of the top 3 that types that people here think he is.

The top type that people here choose for him is EIE. I am not thinking that, and I think that is because I think he is an I vs. E, as so much thinking and analyzing he does has to be I, and it is his body of thought that he primarily extrovertly shares, while the EIE shares her/himself generously and extrovertly, vs. a huge body of thought they have been contemplating. Also EIE tends to communicate back and forth vs. lecture.

ILI is the third of the top three suggested here, but I think not. I don't know an ILI who would emotionally shed tears over the condition of people or a line of thought he find's to be a morally painful one. Yes, ILI may well have many wide and interesting thoughts as well as well-thought out creative solutions to voice concerning a morally painful issue in society, etc., but I don't see him shedding public tears over it. Plus, I just don't get an "ILI" feel from them. I know that is not helpful.

Also I want to add that in a long interview with his wife, to whom he is quite dedicated, about their marriage, he talked about aspects of each of their "personality types". I believe it is Jung-based but I only know it is some personality-type discipline I am unacquainted with. So an aspect he explained was "Agreeable Types" and "Disagreeable Types". He said that he was an Agreeable Type and his (very agreeable-looking) wife was a Disagreeable Type! I can see their relationship type is certainly Duality, whatever types they are. Therefore, whatever "Agreeable vs. Disagreeable" means, Duals must include opposites in this category!

For anyone one interested in understanding and learning about marriage and relationship types like I am, you would be very interested in this interview about their marriage and family (how they met, how their relationship progressed, who their relationship works). (But you would have to look it up; I don't remember where on YouTube I watched it).

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*to get the full impact of how deeply and multi-dimensionally interesting Jordan Peterson is, you won't be able to get a grasp of it on a sound-bite YouTube short. You need to listen to an entire interview (there are many out there). The interview will be long, but you will soon be riveted. Or, an entire lecture, like the one in the OP here.

[Disturbed]

IEI-Ni most likely, seems to have Ip temperament and he has mentioned how much he values harmony. I don't see much Ej-ness in him or any at all. He's usually pretty soft... he's softer and less punitive than EIE-Ni tend to be.

[Tallmo]

EIE. I used to think LIE, but EIE it is. An EIE who is very educated and has read a lot. One can also notice his weak Ti sometimes. His Fe can be seen in how he wants things to sound right. The right attitude in a public context. Being convincing.

I don't understand how anybody cannot see EJ temperament.

[Ikite iru]

I don't understand how anybody cannot see EJ temperament.

He's a dominant subtype

[Distance]

It sounds like someone here.

*Hides under chair*

[Disturbed]

EIE-Ni kind of works. But I don't see much Ej-ness in him. Definitely a Beta NF.

[Amoeba]

The guy is brilliant but his constant crying makes me cringe, I def see he's some kind of NF type. Not sure why no one voted for IEE.

[Renna]

Every time I saw Peterson’s face I got the feeling that he has been through depression for 100 years and he would never be happy again ever… dude need to chill a bit.

[Distance]

Out of interest i've seen ENTP coming at him from the typology community, OP is one, but i can't see the type having the ethics energy for it, no matter the cause, or altruistic motivations. He's a long term strategic systems builder, opposite of Ne. And ENTP doesn't have the Fe gas in the tank for it.

Quite a few see ENTP out there.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

LIE

[Renna]

LIE

Hm… could be. I have been thinking about this option for him…

[Renna]

Observe back and forth and still don’t feel Gamma value from him. Feel totally different with someone like Bill Gates. Back to EIE.