What's their type and what does it say about me that I like them profoundly?
This goes around on fb right now and it click-baited me into watching it.
http://elitedaily.com/news/exes-aske...video/1199994/
What are your opinions about their types, and why?
what does it say about me that I like them and would want to cuddle them and reassure them?!
Narc trait guy with co-dependent girl, revisiting their bullcrap for mutual entertainment.
idk, you have a much different response than me, i find them incredibly uncomfortable to watch.Originally Posted by Reficulris
The girl seems very EIE, but maybe also IEE at a second glance. I'm not sure what the guy is, probably ISTx. ENFx and ISTx are my bets.
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Really cannot relate because when I am with someone I ask all these questions so that there are no doubts in my mind left sitting there. I actually have to difficult conversations and I can say things that might be uncomfortable to say (and hear).
Fwiw these two seem very delta. This last point is not related to me first one.
She is some ethical not sure. He just first impressions is gabin.
she - ISFP(?), he - ENTP(?)
Wow, they are so cuteeee! <3
I liked the video (only watched the 1st because I think the 2nd will make me cringe) and I thought that it was way better than actors. I thought it was the best "couple" talk scene I had ever seen, that's so cool!
Thanks Refi the giraffe
edit: I fucking watched the 2nd video, it's so cool.
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I think both extroverts. I did the main analysis just watching their cringe worthy micros, evasiveness and pity mixed in with glee and euphoria.
LIE and IEE
Guy is low empathy, narcissistic traits, and says a lot of things to manipulated/sound nice. He doesn't really mean it.
The whole I could marry you right now in insincere and strange her response of saying yes if he proposed is also insincere.
Girl is co-dependent spectrum. It starts off, "Why did you cheat on me so many times?" Important part is "so many times". He's like, "I didn't really cheat on you too.."
This goes off into her best memory which is them having a rough time and her with a friend and then him coming over with the aforementioned insincere comment.
He doesn't even remember this......
I will dissect this more but this is more funny from how bad it is than how cute it is. Both are insincere extroverts who use each other to validate themselves and the crap they do, and this whole exercise is sort of them just being extroverts.
All in all kind of harmless but the whole exchange is more a dog and pony show for the both of them to get their rocks off. They both sort of cackle gleefully if you look at their micros in between kind of stoic dead eyed emptiness for the guy and pity seeking for the girl.
Hmmm yeah at first I thought the guy was SLI but I can see the case for LIE. Seems like typical benefit relation where it is all flowers and roses at first then they inevitably get sick of each other after awhile.
I think its the micros between ex lovers because they have shared experiences with each others. Not necessarily a negative thing. I see her as IEE as well.
He calls her flaky, he says she acts like a baby sometimes, I just don't see SEI as flaky. Maybe IEE, but not SEI/ESE. She even admits she is flaky.
They start arguing close to the end, its just a no-go for sure.
Paddling down the river of Fi...
She calls him arrogant because he acts like he knows it all. He states, "sometimes you give me another chance...and I battle inside whether I think that was a right choice for you to make or a wrong choice for you to make". What he is saying is that in some way he doesn't respect her for being so forgiving and accepting. Which of course given her nature, she couldn't help but re-accept him. Several ethical types are very forgiving for people they love. I think though that he was looking to be reprimanded. I think this because her first question was why did you cheat on me so many times and it was as if this was the first time that question had ever been asked...that's important I believe, as he has an actual proper answer to her and actually seems to be willing to get into detail about it. "Well it was not more then once and never intercourse".
A sort of more black and white Fi.
This shows that in a sense he felt he could get away with it and PERHAPS he needed someone with sterner reactions towards it as it was happening. That she never confronted him with her list of hurts and feelings about pointed questions about it until now tells me that they are in a "close, but no cigar inter-type loop". Its for this reason that he flip-flopped on his feelings about whether or not she made the right choice towards him for forgiving him. In actuality, he wanted more black and white thinking, a person who was more reactionary, maybe even someone who was openly jealous, not someone who was receptively hurt, a person expecting proper treatment in an unspoken way.
I don't see them having any psychological pathologies such as narcism, or co-dependancies. Their personalities, actions and relationship fall with in the normal parts of the spectrum in my view. Its easy and even lazy to brush off peoples behaviour as mental abnormalities. What they went through seems pretty much normal and not unusual in the least for two people who had a relationship that didn't quite work out for the above mentioned reasons.
Oh and I just wanted to note another thing. It begins with why did you cheat on me is a rng see. Do notice that there is a bunch of papers on the table...she could've easily pulled out the blank or the one that she didn't even ask. It's not because she wanted to begin with it...maybe the director wanted it to begin with it or it was (un)luck of the draw. I think a lot of you are overlooking things and one can't operate like that. Would it be ok if someone judged you like that, hm? A detective perhaps?
It's called willy-nilly and it's not alright.
It doesn't mean anything in relation to the facts here. The important feature is not the question is first but the "So many times".
You're talking about a relationship where she got cheated on "many times". This is the important information, it tells you a lot about her personality.
She's a clear co-dependent individual who went back to this well many times after being betrayed and betrayed and betrayed.
Don't bring some irrelevant info in which does not deal with this fact which is staring you in the face. Someone lets a chronic cheater cheat on them over and over and over again has reasons they do it.
@Reficulris How close was this to your relationship....
I like them both. I think the girl is IEE and the guy is awkward but I think he's LIE.
Guy is gross and douche extraordinaire (not necessarily because of cheating, just his slimy metro demeanor combined with inflated ego)... girl is sad and pathetic, but lovable at the same time. They should stay far away from each other.
The types...she seems IEE, him probably LIE.
girl looks like florence welch n also like she could have written her songs
That guy is totally gross. Everything he says is for some reason or the other. I don't think he really meant what he said at the end of part II. I think that he'd return to her, only to use her physically(or whatever). The guy could be large volume salesman lol.
Now about her...when she started smiling and doing faces and stuff...she immediately reminded me of Pam from The Office(US). Soft, tender, expressionate as all hell. I liked her more, she actually seemed as if she felt and believed into this and the whole relationship etc. Which would explain why'd she fall down for a sleazebag like that...guy.
I have to return to him. It's not like he has any confidence either. He is just calculating to the maximum. No holds barred yo! 15 minutes is not enough to get a good estimate, but...he is a part of the "scum of the earth" movement, what can I say? And what's with the apparel? He looks like a cheap playboy. If you want to look like a playboy...go for it! But don't stop halfway! I really, but really don't like him. He gave me a very bad vibe. Oh and he is an extrovert 1 / 1 .
Their types?
Sleazebag: ESTp(I remember reading on CelebrityTypes that SLE's do think like that: "There's many ways to tell a thing" and about uses of people, situations etc) OR ENTj
Girl: FeSi in any combination(SEI or ESE). NO WAY on IEE. Most likely ESE. She is REALLY expressive.
That puts them into benefit relationship as well. Just saying...
The reason why she went for this sleazebag is because she gets off on being hurt by this individual. In between her looks of pity and "Why am I hurting", she shows some unexpected glee. She did the whole cycle of letting him cheat and getting back together many times, and imo this is simply her pattern of abuse seeking which is due to some reason. He's has the exact kind of low empathy invulnerable narcissism that's like honey for her wants.
He's just low empathy, but I seriously doubt he's SLE. When he talks about how he values the little traditions she and him shared this clearly places them in the Fi/Te quadra values imo and the very face they're exposing this part of their relationship to public view is extremely Fi oriented. Fe types tend to be different with how they present their relationships and it's more image conscious. IEE's are Fe 4d types and are quite expressive, if there's a type she's similar to it's Lena Dunham, who happen to write a show about this exact sort of self-flagellating female on her show Girls. This video is getting buzz for the same reason Girls gets buzz, there's a lot of people that can relate to this sort of behavior and experience, it's very mundane commonplace and such. Putting nice production value on it doesn't make it any less squirmy to observe or make these individuals any less trope.I have to return to him. It's not like he has any confidence either. He is just calculating to the maximum. No holds barred yo! 15 minutes is not enough to get a good estimate, but...he is a part of the "scum of the earth" movement, what can I say? And what's with the apparel? He looks like a cheap playboy. If you want to look like a playboy...go for it! But don't stop halfway! I really, but really don't like him. He gave me a very bad vibe. Oh and he is an extrovert 1 / 1 .
Their types?
Sleazebag: ESTp(I remember reading on CelebrityTypes that SLE's do think like that: "There's many ways to tell a thing" and about uses of people, situations etc) OR ENTj
Girl: FeSi in any combination(SEI or ESE). NO WAY on IEE. Most likely ESE. She is REALLY expressive.
That puts them into benefit relationship as well. Just saying...
A SLE would be absolutely allergic to this sort of navel gazing Fi discussion, this video is like PoLR hit every scene for a SLE, they would just walk out or never participate in something like this.
The quote are the part of our post that I agree with.
I agree this is a Fi sort of discussion and this sort of talk is very common throughout the lives of Fi valuers. That its happening all at once and much later after it ended tells me that the styles of Fi for these two was very "off".
But I don't even see the point in this kind of melodramatic jerkoff. Why? Just why? If you want to be again with someone, JUST SAY IT. If you get rejected...well, at least you tried. I'd personally just do a smart move and not say anything and continue with my pleasurable life. If I notice someone interesting(or she notices me whatever)...cool. But why this crap?
Whats one good reason why not?
I see it as a type of experiment in honesty, vulnerability, and telling the truth. I think we might not like the guy and girl individually for whatever reasons, yet there is a kind of braveness in what they did with the video that I can respect and appreciate.
Their conversation is usually done in private, yet in todays age of filming and taking a picture of everything, this conversation gets broadcasted. There is a level of authenticity found in it that is different from the drama found in fiction.
So is it really all that unusual, or even unique? What is the difference between this conversation and the thousands of other epilogues that have been shown in movies between ex lovers?
So...LIE and...IEE? Yeah, I could buy 4D subconscious Fe.
Then why the fuck did I call my supposed dual a sleazebag? Tbh, I already had clashes with LIE and if you ask me, they're the scum of the Earth. So calculating and so "smart" in oh so arrogant way. Which doesn't mean I'm not an ESI...it could mean that Aušra's whole system is a LIE! Why would any ESI want to be with such a guy??? Because of money? What are we? Whores? Fuck that stupid not-even-Russian bitch! And her throng of LII followers.
...now this video polarised me...AGAIN!
I'd just like to know what @Sol thinks of these two.
LIE's are often low empathy and this is just a characteristic of many types. Business-like and cold blooded types can be quite unempathic and as such they might be a bit callous. They can often offer material security, a kind of pragmatic support that benefits them, they can even wish to possess their partner as a bauble and such. Beyond this, they can become attached to individuals and this attachment can let them develop empathy skills and such. They can be well-wishing for their family and loved ones and be able to control their more callous behavior.
This particularly individual is young, he's still undeveloped and maturing, he's naturally narcissistic and unempathic, it's all somewhat not surprising for a individual such as him to exist. This doesn't prevent him from learning from his mistakes, finding new relationships and correcting them. He does note that he was mostly at fault for the dissolution of the relationship, whether this was sincere or if he cares to change is up to him. In the gamut of humanity, he's just selfish, perhaps a bit callous and unempathic but he doesn't seem to be malignantly abusive since this sort of video got made.
Clashes are normal for relationships, and voicing concerns might be constructive for relations as well, this is often a way for people to develop. Something like duality doesn't mean absence of conflict. How relationship conflict resolves, and the tension and anxiety of conflict resolution will have much more to do with compatibility. A relationship that reduces anxiety even in conflict is something that would be healthy both psychologically and physiological , I think duality has the potential to offer such a relationship. But don't let you think this is boring, because boredom is in itself a form of anxiety, often relationships form from high anxiety, and devolve into boredom as this high tension experience overpowers the physiological system, which turns it into boredom. I think compatible relations avoid this high anxiety/boredom roller-coaster and stablize into more stable ups and downs. The nature and character of these up and downs can be very individual as well.
You can tell these two individuals did not really engage in very stable ups and downs, they were in a rocky relationship with likely a lot of tension and boredom, some of which might lead to cheating, reconciliation. This unstable pattern lasted a while but eventually it disintegrated. I have no problem characterizing this relation as some sort of benefit relation as this is rather common sort of relation that exhibit rocky patterns like this.
Never read this anywhere, would be curious to see the literature, or members posts stating LIE is low on empathy. Sounds like a pet theory to me.
Really great stuff here!
This particularly individual is young, he's still undeveloped and maturing, he's naturally narcissistic and unempathic, it's all somewhat not surprising for a individual such as him to exist. This doesn't prevent him from learning from his mistakes, finding new relationships and correcting them. He does note that he was mostly at fault for the dissolution of the relationship, whether this was sincere or if he cares to change is up to him. In the gamut of humanity, he's just selfish, perhaps a bit callous and unempathic but he doesn't seem to be malignantly abusive since this sort of video got made.
Clashes are normal for relationships, and voicing concerns might be constructive for relations as well, this is often a way for people to develop. Something like duality doesn't mean absence of conflict. How relationship conflict resolves, and the tension and anxiety of conflict resolution will have much more to do with compatibility. A relationship that reduces anxiety even in conflict is something that would be healthy both psychologically and physiological , I think duality has the potential to offer such a relationship. But don't let you think this is boring, because boredom is in itself a form of anxiety, often relationships form from high anxiety, and devolve into boredom as this high tension experience overpowers the physiological system, which turns it into boredom. I think compatible relations avoid this high anxiety/boredom roller-coaster and stablize into more stable ups and downs. The nature and character of these up and downs can be very individual as well.
You can tell these two individuals did not really engage in very stable ups and downs, they were in a rocky relationship with likely a lot of tension and boredom, some of which might lead to cheating, reconciliation. This unstable pattern lasted a while but eventually it disintegrated. I have no problem characterizing this relation as some sort of benefit relation as this is rather common sort of relation that exhibit rocky patterns like this.
Stop making a scene out of everything and being so fucking judgmental, start using your brain and getting the ones with the ones that make twos.That guy is totally gross. Everything he says is for some reason or the other. I don't think he really meant what he said at the end of part II. I think that he'd return to her, only to use her physically(or whatever). The guy could be large volume salesman lol.
Now about her...when she started smiling and doing faces and stuff...she immediately reminded me of Pam from The Office(US). Soft, tender, expressionate as all hell. I liked her more, she actually seemed as if she felt and believed into this and the whole relationship etc. Which would explain why'd she fall down for a sleazebag like that...guy.
I have to return to him. It's not like he has any confidence either. He is just calculating to the maximum. No holds barred yo! 15 minutes is not enough to get a good estimate, but...he is a part of the "scum of the earth" movement, what can I say? And what's with the apparel? He looks like a cheap playboy. If you want to look like a playboy...go for it! But don't stop halfway! I really, but really don't like him. He gave me a very bad vibe. Oh and he is an extrovert 1 / 1 .
Their types?
Sleazebag: ESTp(I remember reading on CelebrityTypes that SLE's do think like that: "There's many ways to tell a thing" and about uses of people, situations etc) OR ENTj
Girl: FeSi in any combination(SEI or ESE). NO WAY on IEE. Most likely ESE. She is REALLY expressive.
That puts them into benefit relationship as well. Just saying...
Where I want to take you is that it's not possible to make a point if you are emotionally involved in it. Look at Mu, his argumentation is (imo) completely detached from reality and day to day matter but it makes sens in its own way (plus I can't build any argumented thoughts as he can, so I'm not going to counter argument him ^-^).
Morever, it's his tastes, it's her tastes, let people be as they let you be, don't be a bitch.
Well, I'm always emotionally involved and I'm always passionate about things. And no, I don't care what others think. I simply don't.
...but this will escalate. Something tells me I don't get along with Te-doms...
I agree the guy is a narcissist. But she is not IEE. Not seeing it. Where is the reserve? An IEE does not need to ask, "Why did you cheat on me?" The psychologist knows right away: its who he is. When he cheats, she sees it all, including how foolish she was to ever imagine/hope he was something else.
I do not ever see an IEE exposing herself for public examination of her feelings, particularly when they are raw. Never. However, she will openly talk about them AFTER she has processed them by all by herself, and cried by herself, and then later she will be be glad to tell you all about her conclusions - what she realized and learned from the experience. ONLY after she experiences her feelings in private, and figures them all out. That's how IEE operates.
Not sure on his type. I could go with SEI or ESE for her. Also leaning ESE. Because I think SEI is too reticent to do this public interview about her feelings. Benefit is possible. Benefactors leave as a cheat. They can never really appreciate Benefactee, although they find her interesting at first.Girl: FeSi in any combination(SEI or ESE). NO WAY on IEE. Most likely ESE. She is REALLY expressive.
That puts them into benefit relationship as well. Just saying...
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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IEE are pretty much huge attention seekers. Beyond psychologists they're journalists, exhibitionists and etc.
IEE are a look alike relation with SEE, so this should be extremely obvious. I think your grasp of socionics is fairly tenuous so please do not attempt to dictate how and what types can be like. The things you've said out of your personal biases contradict all the existing literature about IEEs. Because really each type can engage in exposing themselves in certain situations either due to a neurotic reaction or ego reaction.
IEE's do tend to have a good grasp of motives but she's dealing with a enigma here, which is part of the attraction, this guy doesn't have the kind of motive that she would normally be able to read. His unread-ability is part of his allure, and part of her self-flagellation in going back over and over again to be betrayed over and over again.
NO. IEEs are NOT attention seekers! We care what others think of us but we do NOT seek attention. NO. Where in Socionics literature did you EVER read that? I have read a LOT on IEEs, and I do not recall that. And I have good recall.
[We do seek to engage with others. Maybe that's where you are confused about us? But we are more one-on-one when we engage. Not center of an audience!]
It's SEE, IEE's "Look-alike", that is notably comfortable as the center of attentions. IEEs can take center stage, entertainingly, for small amounts of time, but its not where we are comfortable staying. And this is not how you find an IEE in a crowd. Not as the center of attention!
My question was specific, wondering why, or in what ways, we look-alike. This is a non-answer to that.
No, it is not tenuous. Of course you don't explain your assertion here, because you cannot. Like other IEEs, I am pretty good at this. My grasp of some types is certainly less than my understanding of other types, but I see the very same from you. In fact there are very, very few people on this board that have a strong grasp of all the types. Like most of us, you have a deeper understanding of some types than others. And I do not think your grasp of IEE is strong. It is understandably much weaker than mine. Certainly you understand some other types better than me. But not IEE.
No. Support your statement with examples and references, please, if you have anything that holds water.
This woman is not neurotic. Look at her body language. She is comfortable with herself and her own reactions and with having the camera on her. Ego reaction - not seeing that either. She seems open and frank.
I don't see anything in her words or in her body language or her expressions that says, "I normally can really get this sort of thing about a person but you are not like any person I ever met and I just can't figure you out." I can imagine an IEE with that response to someone, and you would read that on her face. This woman does not look like she is off in her own mind trying to figure anything out. She is all-present, and responding frankly as she feels in the moment.
I am not so sure he is unreadable. That's not my reaction. He is just not as expressive as she is, which is not unusual. I just did not have any strong intuitions about his type at first pass (and I was concentrating on her), so I did not attempt to type him.
My idea that she is SEE is a strong one, but its not firm; its open to reconsideration. I have not ruled out ESE, but I have ruled out IEE for certain, and probably SEI, too (she doesn't stop and look inward, and I think a SEI would feel too exposed in this conversation - the discomfort of that would be evident, IMO).
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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Going to post a SLE-Ti in contrast to LIE and how they deal with relationships, was watching Luther last nite.
This is not a real scene but Idris himself is SLE so he's not really acting abnormally, there is a ferocity and power to it as well as a vulnerability which Idris can channel that is core to him.
aw. maybe i'mvaluing after all.
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regarding OP i didn't believe they "loved each other so much" or whatever (i suspected their relationship wasn't real in a way). but i feel like i'm intruding watching it. maybe she felt that way, but i didn't believe it of him. something felt quite wrong about the little bit i watched. but some people can behave strangely when a camera is pointed at them (and they know it) too, especially if they chose to put it there to begin with. it's multiple layers of possible image consciousness (image meaning the part of you that is watching yourself watch yourself and knows all the conflicting, often ego-driven motivations for doing it). so even though it seemed very *unreal* to me (like this isn't who either of them are), i don't think it's "fake" either. still, that guy creeps me out. maybe it's what nondescript mentioned - how calculating he seems. her feelings seem to mean very little to him (they can carry on the emotional life of a relationship all on their own apparently?), and he just seems to calculate his responses.
anyway, i feel kind of bad for analyzing it at all. and i don't want to make awful judgments about people from a brief video because i know that no matter what i inwardly "know" that i don't truly *know* anything.
I don't feel sure about types outside of xxTx and ExFx, but creative subtypes have more psychological stability/maturity/etc. So I'd imagine LIE-Ni with IEE-Fi would work a lot better than if both were leading subtypes.
I wish socionics would expand the relations for subtypes. Might be a bit more interesting.
good bye
I turned the video off cause it made me uneasy.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I feel sad that such a private moment was uploaded on the internet so that others could pyschoanalyze it, but they volunteered for it (if it's even real?). I saw in link that it is apart of a documentary about exes.
woot.
Blackburry, I think as an ESI you wouldn't do this. I know my ESI Mom would never have! However the girl in this does NOT seem uncomfortable at all - she seems TOTALLY comfortable being watched in this conversation about feelings.
I just watched it - it ran slow on my outdated computer, as if they were talking underwater, so, it took a long time to listen. But I am getting a clear SEE vibe. I wonder why not one person here thought of SEE? So many IEE guesses and clearly she is not IEE. I could see my husband's SEE daughter acting having just these seems expressions (lots of them) in such a conversation, and her also being very confident and self-possessed, and no pre-thinking necessary before expressing feelings, like me. She is open, and clear about her feeling-reactions and has not a bit of reticence about saying and displaying her feelings - just like this person.
There is nothing of the "torn off from reality" look in her eyes as an IEE is described. She looks completely and comfortably and fully in the moment. She is very expressive in the moment, and in that way makes me think of Marilyn Monroe - part of her acting genius was to display a whole range of expressions on her face in just a simple one-on-one conversation. I see the same in this girl.
IEE and SEE are look-alike and sometimes I do wonder why... to me its a clear difference.
Some points from articles, that cover some things I notice, but not all:
SEE: She holds herself confidently and speaks somewhat ironically. She loves to joke, laughs in a friendly manner while speaking, which producers the impression that she feels herself familiar everywhere. Her tone of voice is frequently low, with a bit of a coarseness.... they know how to and love to be in the center of attention. They are true ringleaders, reckless and lively, always ready to come up with all kind of possible activities and entertainment. Not a single birthday or school holiday passes without them. Personal life often occupies them much more than studies... Ambition and drive for prestige direct them and make some of them become the best.
IEE: Her face is elongated, with large eyes and plump lips. Outwardly HUXLEY woman appears to be calm and benevolent, polite and affable. In contact, she is merry, light and unconstrained. In her soul, she is sympathetic, always ready to support and to comfort a person who has fallen by spirit, or at least smile at whoever needs it. Being sensitive and thoughtful, she responds to problems of others. She tries to be useful to others, moreover not only those who are close to her, but often her help extends to completely random people.
Does this girl seem confident, ironic, joking, comfortable in the center of attention,?
Or calm, benevolent, sympathetic, responds to the problems of others?
I see the former. She has confidence, and her emotions show she knows her own experience and reaction well and is comfortable with it, and does not shy away in the least from the camera on her - and the camera means the world. But I do not see sympathy for him in any spot. Not saying he deserves it! And I am not saying she lacks sympathy. But its an major IEE trait missing in this interview, that's all. But if it was me, confronting an ex in front of a camera or a group - which I woudl NOT do, if I felt he did not deserve sympathy, I woudl be saying why, and I would be pretty sure about it. But most likely, I woudl find SOMETHING he deserved sympathy for.
She seems very grounded, talking about their experiences together. It was a strain to here the words on my slow computer, but, it seemed to me her recollections of their time were very grounded descriptions, clearly more Sensory than Intuitive. Not theoretical at all. So not seeing N. I see S. Particularly SEE-type S...
Also, I agree with Starfall after listening to the interview. I am not so sure now that he is narcisisst. He is likely either I or T - something making him less comfortable in this interview than she is. Being less comfortable in the interview expressing himself does not make him a bad person.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I just want to remind you that ESE do have Se as their 4D Demonstrative function. And I didn't catch a glimpse of INTENTIONAL Se behaviour out of her. She was more focused on Fe. The thing is all of you are focusing on what they said WAY TOO MUCH. Learn the body language omg! Do notice how she radiates Fe. When she feels something...out it goes and the whole bearing gets changed. Do you really think that's how Fi people react? In my opinion...no.
This is just ESE < - > SLE benefit relation.
Fi people in this sound as dry as a burnt piece of toast.
Lol, wtf why?
Mmm we had codependancy but i'd say compared to this roles would be switched. I'll watch it again to see if and if yes what are the similarities.@Reficulris How close was this to your relationship....
we've had conversations like this after the marriage and I remember her doing things that he is doing in the movie (ego protection by denial and such) which is also maybe why I see more emotion then you do. I think he's a bit more vulnerable and shaken then some of the suggestions above imply. Narcissistic yes, but individuals have to protect their ego after being bad to someone.
I agree with the enigma here also it's what I myself find intriguing. Why did he cheat? Why does he still lie? Why does she come back? Why are they having this conversation. Riddles that are very fundemantal to human life. Why why why.
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