The end is nigh...
I also agree that Hillary is no better
Indeed. My hope is that we get a Bernie vs. Trump ticket in the general election. That way, not only does the establishment get some Karma that they so rightly deserve, we're almost guaranteed to avoid a WWIII scenario which the establishment of *both* parties insanely clamor for. Both Bernie and Trump, with all their flaws, promise a foreign policy that doesn't start and end with an Iron-Clad American Hegemony over all takers in the geopolitical game. At the very least, they'll negotiate before the nukes start flying. The others? They nuke first and ask questions later, as their MIC donors would love to have it.Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
I'm a Libertarian and that I'd rather see an outright Socialist like Bernie in power over the Hildabeast should speak volumes as to what the hell is happening here and what I think is at stake. I want to avoid WWIII no matter the cost. If that means a Socialist like Bernie as president I'll take it for 4 years. I'd rather see the shit collapse into a heap than become a nuclear shadow embedded on a melting wall. I'm sp first people, if the others win then odds are I plain and simply won't make it. Me making it and surviving is my top priority, just saying... The dead cannot help the living, and I'm a guy who would LOVE to help others who are alive like myself. The Fallout Game series, God it's awesome as a game universe. No way in hell would I like to actually live in it.
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I agree. I think he is some sort of alpha NT. I searched this thread specifically to make this comment. And yes probably LII because I didn't pay much attention to him initially, but have really grown to like him a lot throughout the whole campaign process. He caught my attention at the Iowa caucus and i found his speech there to be incredibly inspiring and have been paying more attention to him since.
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LOL Trump vs Bernie would be like Hilter vs anti-Hilter.
Of course my hope is that the republicans wont nominate Trump. Any chance of Trump reaching the Presidency worries me a lot.
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I could potentially be conviced sanders is LSI. idk i feel like he moves more like an NT, i could be wrong. He's a little klutzy/awkward.
I dont have any inclination to disagree with any of your other typings here at the moment.
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Sanders is primarily concerned with the ideology of socialism and his perfect theoretical system that he's devised to give everyone free college, tax the rich, and create single-payer health care system. He gives little regard to practicality. LSIs would be much more concerned with the physical implementation of their ideals, and would potentially let this limit their development of a system consistent with their ideals. LII he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L-prXogME
maybe all i'm seeing is that cruz notices that trump has weak ethics and little tact and finds it amusing, and trump notices that cruz has weak logic. so they patronize each other over it.
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Contrary to your opinion as I *hate* Cruz given how his wife works for Goldman-Sachs (i.e. corruption incarnate), I want that! I'd love, LOVE, to see a hardcore died in the wool Red as all hell Socialist Bernie vs. A fascist in the vein of a new Mussolini Trump. To see two such figures duke it out in full knowledge that both wanna audit the Fed like the Paul family consistently pushes for would be absolutely glorious. Knowing that, no matter who wins, the "establishment" loses big and that fact would make me have need of a spare pair of pants.
Remember the one and only one time Jesus got violent and nasty, it involved moneychangers/bankers. If every vote was a vote to visit them harm I'd stop being so pessimistic. Bernie whipping a few banksters and driving them out of the sacred grounds of Wall Street? He's got my vote! Hell I'll help him out! Same for Trump. They're spending so much money... to no avail. Their tears... I can't lap them up fast enough. The joy I feel now as the fuckers cry, I get why the Germans invented a word for it now. I really, *really*, am feeling the Schadenfreude.
Hillary is probably LSI, Sanders LII and Cruz LIE.
Edit: Actually, Hillary might very well be LSE, she has that controlling and bossy mother hen vibe or maybe it's just the political styling which makes everybody into LSE.
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Yes my inclination is to think so as well...
I personally feel like Sanders' ideas really aren't THAT socialist. Compared to the Republicans currently running, yes it might seem like what he's saying is redder than red, but honestly I feel like things he's proposing are just normal things that give people opportunities in a democracy. Like he says, many other democratic countries have already implemented similar systems (like free education, universal health care).
Moreover I just think he's a decent sincere person, and he seems to fight for what he truly believes in. That of course is inspiring to many people, and thus he is gaining an immense following FAST. Sincerity and decency will do that.
Contrast Trump whose rhetoric is very specifically aimed at catering to a certain voter base and pleasing those followers, whether he believes in what he's saying or not. Hillary seems kind of like that as well (maybe not to such an extreme degree as Trump though).
I've found this Presidential race to be quite fascinating actually, observing some very different approaches to gaining a following, and very different personalities of the different candidates.
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Regarding Cruz, he hasn't impressed or inspired me in any way and I dislike his highly religious rhetoric (US govt is supposed to be separate from religion), so honestly I hadnt really paid attention much to him. I enjoyed the fact that he beat Trump in Iowa though -- it took Trump off his pedestal for a little bit. And if anyone, ANYONE can beat out Trump for the GOP nomination, that would be awesome because I dont think they would make it to the Presidency, which is why i am not so worried about Cruz getting nominated. If Trump gets nominated, I am not so sure, it's possible he could win the election.
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LOL i beg to disagree! what a farce his "orations" are.
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If you're saying that because he doesn't seem very radical to you, I think I know what you're saying. However, still is very much a socialist in policy - just obviously not of the Marxist/revolutionary sort. Socialism is a blanket term with numerous manifestations.
Also, remember that you're an Alpha type and your dual's fantastic ideas should seem like common sense to you.
I find myself not knowing how to react to this race at all, though I agree that the candidates themselves are interesting to watch. I would laugh it off if it weren't for the fact that the beginning of my independent adult life will be under the candidate elected. Then again, most of that time will be spent in a university, and how much damage can Trump do to a school?I've found this Presidential race to be quite fascinating actually, observing some very different approaches to gaining a following, and very different personalities of the different candidates.
He knows words. He has the best words.
https://youtu.be/7UIE_MRAhEA?t=52
http://digg.com/video/donald-trump-l...nswer-question
That's fascinating. He does have a point at the end - maybe the school bully type is perceived as more willful that the sophisticated nerds that are other politicians. Consistent with the rise of American anti-intellectualism.
yeah that IS actually what i meant -- doesn't seem radical.
Also, remember that you're an Alpha type and your dual's fantastic ideas should seem like common sense to you.you have a point there
I'm actually a lot more concerned about Trump's fascist rhetoric and the vicious and ardent following it has gained. I feel like it might lead to a repetition of history, in a scary way. Regardless of whether his personal beliefs are in line with his rhetoric, him winning the election will give his supporters a much louder voice and more license to freely pursue their agendas. And Trump will not stop them (at the very least will remain neutral) because they are his voting base.
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Yes!! LSE for Hillary. I'm a huge fan and hope Bernie drops out soon, so it's a little painful for me to see her as my conflictor. But it's very accurate of her style, how hard working she is, how much she she relies on gathering info and opinions instead of on "intuition," and the fact that she doesn't really have "natural charisma"
I also think society forces women to be like this if they want to get very far into leadership, whereas with men you see a lot of intuitive and ethical types allowed to be in leadership.
And very capable LSI women are more likely to lead in corporate or private positions, where they can be authoritative without worrying about public image
orations don't have to make sense, they just have to hold your attention
I respect your opinions, but why would Bernie drop out soon? he's doing so well!
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I mute the TV whenever he talks.
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Hillary has more delegates at this point than Obama's highest margin in 2008I respect your opinions, but why would Bernie drop out soon? he's doing so well!
that doesn't mean much... the big states are yet to be won, and Bernie's rise has been pretty impressive and unforeseen.
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Bernie makes me teary-eyed with the passion and sincerity in his speeches. That mention in the Dem debate about growing up Jewish and seeing Nazi enforced identifiers on people's clothing.. man.
I echo Suz with how fascinating this election has been for me... a Canadian! This year really saw the rise in my interest in politics itself, as Trudeau arrived in office.
I can see him as LII or LSI.. I do think he is clearly Ti/Fe valuer. Hillary imo, is Fi/Te. I never saw her as LSI (and I have had this belief for years, since her typing consensus was LSI for a while on this forum). She simply has no use of Fe and I saw that in the Dem debate. I feel as though Te ego types most easily come across and are criticized for being "robotic" ... Not saying that it really means anything but just that it's how Fe valuers such as myself perceive her
The commentators I listen to and the news sites I regard with esteem have said this and I think it's true. This is the "rejection" election. This is a time where both Left and Right are united on one and only one issue. That issue is fuck the establishment. I notice that the MSM never plays up Bernie's big wins. For instance, Michigan was a major upset, the Hildabeast was up by 20 points in polls... And yet, she lost. It was a reverse Bradley effect, the only way it could have happened is if the black vote smiled and nodded for Hillary while actually voting for Bernie when the rubber met the road. Bern even took Dearborn by a wide margin, America's most Islamic/Arab city. Trump took it too from the republican side, though the majority went for Bernie. Do you hear about this truly major shit on the MSM?
Hell no, they're all in the tank for the Hildabeast. Why? Because she's bought and paid for, they can control her. Bernie? Not so much. Same for Trump. Cruz is bought, Trump ain't. That's why I want Bernie vs. Trump. That way, no matter who wins, the fucking banksters and their billionaire buddies get fucked. Both of them wanna audit the fed, which is their worst nightmare. I'll tell you why that is. The greatest fear of the elite is exposure. If a true audit of the fed is conducted we'll finally have those fucking cockroaches in the spotlight name, location, the whole nine yards. They know the depth and seriousness of their sins, they know what the common man would do to them if they ever got that information, and they're right to fear for their lives. Just saying, the shit they've done makes Mengle and the Nazis look like kind babysitters by comparison and they know that. They fear the tidal wave of Karma staring them down and I couldn't be more happy. True joy will fill my heart when it hits them and obliterates them, returning them unto the abyss from which they spawned.
Here's an article summing up all the Trump hate: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...lly-hate-trump. That's reason enough to vote for him and/or Bernie. Fuck. The. Establishment. Fuck em' all. Words fail to encapsulate the depths of my hatred for the bastards. They've truly committed crimes against humanity and it's high time they answered for them.
It definitely means a lot. Bernie has been impressive and he's done a good job of exposing issues (even if it's mostly just one issue) that people are mad about. But even worst case scenarios in upcoming states will favor Hillary. And now is not the time for liberal leaning people to put proving a point above everything.. too much is at stake in this election.
This attitude really pains me, especially as a political science major. Hildabeast? Really? Your woes are the result of 8 years of a horrible Republican president. Don't let your anger get in the way of your judgement.. populist policies have NEVER been good the country.The commentators I listen to and the news sites I regard with esteem have said this and I think it's true. This is the "rejection" election. This is a time where both Left and Right are united on one and only one issue. That issue is fuck the establishment. I notice that the MSM never plays up Bernie's big wins. For instance, Michigan was a major upset, the Hildabeast was up by 20 points in polls... And yet, she lost. It was a reverse Bradley effect, the only way it could have happened is if the black vote smiled and nodded for Hillary while actually voting for Bernie when the rubber met the road. Bern even took Dearborn by a wide margin, America's most Islamic/Arab city. Trump took it too from the republican side, though the majority went for Bernie. Do you hear about this truly major shit on the MSM?
Hell no, they're all in the tank for the Hildabeast. Why? Because she's bought and paid for, they can control her. Bernie? Not so much. Same for Trump. Cruz is bought, Trump ain't. That's why I want Bernie vs. Trump. That way, no matter who wins, the fucking banksters and their billionaire buddies get fucked. Both of them wanna audit the fed, which is their worst nightmare. I'll tell you why that is. The greatest fear of the elite is exposure. If a true audit of the fed is conducted we'll finally have those fucking cockroaches in the spotlight name, location, the whole nine yards. They know the depth and seriousness of their sins, they know what the common man would do to them if they ever got that information, and they're right to fear for their lives. Just saying, the shit they've done makes Mengle and the Nazis look like kind babysitters by comparison and they know that. They fear the tidal wave of Karma staring them down and I couldn't be more happy. True joy will fill my heart when it hits them and obliterates them, returning them unto the abyss from which they spawned.
Here's an article summing up all the Trump hate: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...lly-hate-trump. That's reason enough to vote for him and/or Bernie. Fuck. The. Establishment. Fuck em' all. Words fail to encapsulate the depths of my hatred for the bastards. They've truly committed crimes against humanity and it's high time they answered for them.
me too...
I think he could have answered that question better.
What he should have mentioned before even saying all that, in my opinion, is that he doesn't talk much about his religion, because in american politics where there should be separation of church & state, it shouldn't matter what his religious beliefs are.
Hillary of course totally botched her religion question. Worst answer EVER.
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Careful, I didn't take that major lightly y'know. To "hate" something you must first love it. Oh how I loved Democracy, the voice of the people being expressed, oh how I loved it... until I realized that we live in a truly one party system. The rage man, the eternal depths of it... Imagine seeing yourself as being "used" as it were by a stranger you intended to do good by. Come with me, O stranger, that I may teach you to fish at the expense of feeding you a fish a day myself so that ye may learn my ways...
Yet they did not learn, nor did they ever intend to. Instead, they felt entitled to the excesses of our hard won catch of the day as I selflessly fed their family as well as my own. Oh, I can take it for a bit, for learning takes time. But, well, there *is* a limit. And lemme tell ya, you don't want to learn what that limit is the hard way. There are two modes, the sacrificial lamb who sacrifices for all, and the genocidal monster who kills anything and everything that is not of his/her kind. We hate that monster yet, if ye wish for a monster, then a monster we shall become...
Don't make us into those monsters again, please, we don't want that end to occur once more...
These are the ones WSS have benchmarked:
Barack Obama - IEI
Michelle Obama - SLE
Hillary Clinton - LSI
Bernie Sanders - LII
Donald Trump - SLE
Sarah Palin - SEE
Ted Cruz - EIE
Jeb Bush - LIE
George W. Bush - ESI
George H.W. Bush - LSE
Ron Paul - LII
Newt Gingrich - LIE
Mitt Romney - LSE
Others not benchmarked yet, but my opinion and that of others:
Lincoln Chafee - EII
Mike Huckabee - ESE
Martin O'Malley - ESE
Marco Rubio - EIE
Joe Biden - EIE
Bill Clinton - EIE (some think ESE)
John McCain - ESI
Chris Christie - SEE
Ben Carson - SLI or SEI
Carly Fiorina - EIE (some think LSI)
Condoleezza Rice - LIE
Henry Kissinger - ILI
Dick Cheney - LIE
Rand Paul - LSI??
John Kasich - ESI??
Jimmy Carter - IEI?
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How you can support Hillary of all people is beyond me. If you ever deigned to do the research on that monster you'd wish her a swift Indictment by the FBI and a conviction shortly afterward (which, god willing, is forthcoming). You could not vote for a more anti-woman, anti-minority president. She's a chameleon political psychopath who only cares about attaining power. She's also a clear whore for the establishment. Just look at the "donations" to the Clinton Foundation and her voting and policy record. Gee, there's a lot of, shall we say, me not being surprised there. Company/State X gives Y amount to the foundation, suddenly Z happens which just so happens to benefit X in a very big way. Are you really, really, that naive as to think those events aren't linked? That the money "didn't matter" in those decisions?
Seriously, I beg of you, research her past, look at the long list of skeletons in that bitch's closet. Her sins are many, she has gone a long way towards earning my hate which, by the way, is something you *really* have to work hard at as I let a LOT of shit slide if I know your circumstances. Jesus said to forgive them for they knew not what they were doing. I apply that standard to my judgements. She knew *exactly* what she was doing and did it anyway. Ergo, Hillary for PRISON 2016. It's where she and the rest of her establishment friends belong for their crimes against humanity.
I find it interesting that you are able to identify that Cruz and Rubio are the same type. I would agree on that. However, I do wonder how you picture an IEE to type them both as that, rather than as EIE.
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I agree with most of these, but how did you arrive at the conclusion that the Obama couple is Beta, Jeb is LIE, and Cruz is EIE? Also, I believe that you must have your Bush Presidents mixed up. If you don't, I question those too.
Barack Obama is a visionary leader who lacks the ability to push his vision onto reality decisively. He is, however, rather good at making himself likeable in an innocuous way to others, and orating in a way that can uplift others. This switches on and off though, with his default being more detached and analytical, coming across as scholarly and intellectual. He very much wants to communicate to others that he is an intelligent president who understands how things are. His approach is much in line with a certain Beta NF idealism, the sort that says things like "we are on the right side of history", the assertion that time is naturally progressing towards teleological ends and that there is a clear side to be on, is a very Beta message to communicate. This very short description sums up someone with Beta values, evidently weak Force (Se), but strong Time (Ni). Also, strong, but subtle and situational usage of Emotions (Fe), and a desire to project the impression of being good with Laws (Ti). It fits IEI.
Michelle seems to be much in line with Barack's values, but is evidently a much more tough and decisive person than her husband. SLE would be the natural fit, although it is harder to be sure without closer inspection.
Jeb Bush is notably dry and matter of fact, which is often the case with Pragmatism (Te) valuers. He also seems weaker and low energy compared to natural Sensory types in the race like Trump, or his brother and father. Expat is currently writing a proper analysis of Jeb, so I'd rather send you that when it's done.
Ted Cruz is very much that charisma politician sort who focuses on how he can spin his words for the right effect. At the same time, he has the benefit of a strong ideology behind him, yet communicates more a unifying charm than a sense of dogged adherence. He is good at inserting emotional warmth into his words for the right effect. He does this expertly, rather than in the crass style of Trump. Even critics are able to notice how similar his style is to Marco Rubio, despite one being establishment and the other against.
As for the George Bush presidents, Expat has already written an analysis of W. : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
If you can't read that, then I copy/paste Expat's analysis here:
"Unlike other ESIs in this gallery, the 43rd President of the United States would not be described by many people, also not by himself, as an intellectual. Yet, this Yale history graduate has been described as a keen reader of biographies, allegedly his favorite reading. He also has shown a personal-relationship side to international politics, (in)famously saying that he knew he could trust Vladimir Putin (LSI) after looking deeply into his eyes, and asking the Brazilian president for an evaluation of Hugo Chavez in the same fashion, that is, what was Chavez like if you looked deeply into his eyes.
This pattern of approaching international relations from the perspective of the character of individuals is consistent with George W Bush's chief strength as a businessman and politician: namely, his skill in establishing rapports with individuals and coming across as a regular guy with whom you could drink a beer, in a way that completely eludes other politicians of his background (such as his father (LSE) and his brother Jeb (LIE), for instance).
This trait could be seen on many occasions, perhaps most famously with the bullhorn in the ruins of the WTC where he was clearly more focused, and arguably most confident, in establishing a rapport with the firefighters immediately near him, rather than addressing a more global audience.
All of the above traits suggest a man who sees R as one of his strengths, and who ignores E and even dismisses it, also when making fun of himself even in ways that make him look ridiculous.
Whether or not Bush 43 deserves his reputation of a man of no brilliant intelligence, it is clear that he has no need to pretend to be the "smartest man in the room", closely associating himself with individuals widely perceived to be smarter and more knowledgeable than he: Dick Cheney (LIE), Karl Rove, Condoleezza Rice (LIE), his wife Laura.
All of the above is very consistent with a R1 type with P5.
George W Bush has also, famously, been quick to refer to evil people in the world who must be defeated by force and made that a key feature of his policies (interestingly getting the full support of Christopher Hitchens (ESI), otherwise a Trotskyist).
It is clear that George W Bush never concerned himself with deep thoughts about ideological consistency, economic principles, or grandiose visions, or even forceful opinions on any subject apart from the character of individuals and when to use force on enemies or the "Axis of Evil". All of that suggests a higher focus on R+F than on L and T.
Also interesting is his approach to S: famously in his youth he was inclined to hedonistic pursuits, mainly drinking and partying. In his retirement, he has devoted himself to a quieter form of S hobby, painting. Yet during his middle years he found it relatively easy, it seems, to discipline himself into athletic activities and giving up drink - the latter, he says, also helped by a renewed religious faith. That is consistent with T6 overcoming S8.
What we have, then, is a man most confident in his judgement of the character of the individuals around him and of his relationships with them; who doesn't mind, or even prefers, if close associates are seen as more knowledgeable. Who is confident in the use of force especially when fighting evil people, yet is not particularly interested in the deeper ideologies behind it. A man who is aware of, but also utterly indifferent to, his image of a simpleton, even referring to it himself.
That is, a very likely ESI."
As for H. W., note that he is dry and matter-of-fact like Jeb. However he is also a lot more tireless and active. Furthermore, there is a sense of earnest good-natured-ness and the avoidance of conflict in H.W. This suggests Strong, but Subdued Force. In comparison, W. would harshly steam-roll opponents he disliked, which is a more Valued, Strong use of Force. As for Jeb, he tries to defend himself, but it comes out rather pathetically, a sign of Weak, if Valued, Force.
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Listen yall:
Hillary is a typical xNTp: The way this presidential elections are set up is that they are RIGGED so she could win. I don't see any possible way how she could lose. The clown(Trump) is here just to flog the 1918 dynamite to the GOP-and the GOP being puffed up idiots they are + snobs, they'll make the EXACT SAME MISTAKE as they did with Teddy. Something to think about. She is also completely spineless and uncaring-a perfect spy. The way she is shaking the US politics is the exact same way she has been shaking the Middle East. edit: I have nothing against xSTp for her either.
Donald Trump is actually an ESFP. Sure, he yells a lot. Sure, he is quarrelsome. Sure, he is succesful. But let's pause and ask some important questions. First, does his yelling actually have ANY LOGIC behind it? Any ESTp wouldn't do a thing if it wasn't logical. Or if it caused schism with his way of understanding / whatever. Second, his programme is actually just a pamphlet used to serve as an acting tool. It's all ideas, zero way of implementation. A rather neat ideas, but rather inapplicable(would a SeTi do this? SeFi would if he was NICELY asked-which Donald probably was). Third, every ESFp acts like he does when he is confronted. Basically, fists, "fuck you", "loser", etc etc. And political elections are made of an attack after an attack after an attack. Finally, he isn't succesful because of his own wit and discipline. Sure, he did manage to keep Trump industries afloat and yes, that does require some savvy, but let's think for a moment, shall we? He INHERITED the firm. He was BURN UNTO the world of finances. He HAS DOZENS of ASSISTANTS working for him. Even if he was some Te PoLR type(idk...NiFe)...he'd get the hang of it-unless he was braindead. Which he is not, because there's a rumour floating around that he could actually join Mensa if he wanted(testing, not bribery, of course). Ultimately, DON'T TYPE HIS TV PERSONA.
When confronted, I often act like Trump does. Like I did some days ago when I buggered off a waiter who was busting my chops at my work. The exact same Trump speech: "Don't fuck me in the sane mind, ok? Go fuck yourself, you ordinary waiter!"
Either I'm an SLE or he's an SEE or we're both something else(I could even see him as an ESI, but that's too avantgarde for the most, so I'll drop it).
Look, I love the Donald(I think that much is obvious), but...
His ideas are STUPID. They are stupid, what can I say? And now listen to me about their stupidity and think: can they achieve anything? Let me tell you this: they can't because they are just wishy washy stupid dreaming. Worse off, they(in their infinite stupidity) could start WWIII - just read the China relations part of his "brilliant" plan.
Just turn on your brain yall, ok?
(how's that for an imitation?)
tldr: Calling China a "fraud" and limiting the trade with them and hence plumetting their GDP by up to 25%...yah-definitely could turn out ugly. His lack of Ti constantly shows lol("Is it logical to call the 2nd most powerful nation a fraud lol?").
I definitely agree with SEE>SLE for Trump. His whole campaign strategy revolves around manipulating crowds with flexible, contact ethics guided by Se desire to expand his influence, and the more he does, the more he has to suppress logic. So far his situation is very reminiscent of Julius Caesar, the ultimate historical SEE. Caesar like Trump was able to manipulate crowds into liking him despite turning Rome into a dictatorship and destroying the republic. And, also like Trump, Caesar's blindness to the long-term effects of his actions on the country caused him to become enemy #1 to the other senators which eventually lead to his assassination. Trump has already been physically attacked by angry people already and isn't even president. Donald Trump= SEE (Se-sub), IMO.
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Your observation about Trump is right. He does manipulate crowds by influencing their emotional states. However, I would say that your socionics interpretation is incorrect. The Contact/Inert dichotomy has little to do with changing other people. Instead it is about how the user's own position is likely to change or not. It is quite clear that Trump sets the mood of his rallies and tries to get everyone else to go along with that mood. This would be an Inert (and Bold +Valued) usage of Ethics.
Furthermore, the aspect to do with manipulation involves the expectation that people's emotional states are liable to change and that a firm setting of the mood will change their emotions to suit Trump's needs. That is a way of viewing Ethics that is Dynamic, in constant flux and open to being changed and altered by someone. That is quite different to the Static, relational Ethics we see Introverted Ethics. From this point and the one above, your observation supports Extroverted Ethics in either the Leading or Mobilising position for Donald Trump.
Your comparison to Julius Caesar is at least half correct. You are right in that Caesar and Trump were both blind to the long-term effects of their actions, and that they were motivated by a relentless pursuit of power. This is what makes them both Extroverted Sensation Leading and Introverted Intuition Suggestive. However, from what I know about Caesar, his popularism, although emulated by classic SLEs like Napoleon and Mussolini, was more of a front for his political ability on the one-to-one. Caesar sought less to change or influence the mood of the people, and more to be relatable to others, not a rank above them, someone who could be trusted to rule. This is one reason why he refused to be made Emperor, so that he would not be seen as a King. The Republic would surely assassinate a King. I think Expat knows a lot more about this than I do though. His position is SEE for Caesar.
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