Nah, he's not. He thought he was e5 but decided e7 fit better (insofar as he agrees with ennneagram at all)Originally Posted by maniac
Nah, he's not. He thought he was e5 but decided e7 fit better (insofar as he agrees with ennneagram at all)
Last edited by JC1; 12-17-2017 at 08:34 PM.
Yeah he's so not a 5. Might be 7 but he seems so righteous and like a judge, and that's what 1 is. 1s want to create order and be in lead of that order. Which is what he does. Tons of people mistype themselves. What does thing you wrote in parantheses mean?
It should say "enneagram" instead of "enigma"- autocorrect I guess.
Anyway, I'm an E1, and he isn't. There is more to this than just being judge. He doesn't strike me as righteous or all that morally focused (at least, no more than 7s can be- 7s have a line to 1 anyway after all); most of his complaints are about people getting Socionics wrong or how Socionics is better than mbti, or how certain things in society annoy him (such as Progressives) because he thinks things are being overblown. He's just a typical ILE-Ti. Any judgementalness you are picking up is either him being Ti ego or being Fi PolR.
Social 127 is definitely out since that is one of the most lighthearted and involved 1s, more likely t act like a "fun" teacher and display much more interpersonal warmth than Jack does even at his best. Type 1 (esp. Social subtype) is also just at odds with Ne-Ti from he outset as well in my opinion.
Yeah, this is 1ish. He thinks he knows everything best, and he's the one who decides that. ding dingmost of his complaints are about people getting Socionics wrong or how Socionics is better than mbti, or how certain things in society annoy him (such as Progressives)
So you don't think he's lighthearted or fun, but you think he's a 7? I just don't follow your logic here at all.Social 127 is definitely out since that is one of the most lighthearted and involved 1s, more likely t act like a "fun" teacher and display much more interpersonal warmth than Jack does even at his best. Type 1 (esp. Social subtype) is also just at odds with Ne-Ti from he outset as well in my opinion
What he is lacking from a core 7 is the risk part. He seems to come from his gut and like he "knows" all of this stuff from his gut, and is the best at it -- that's totally 1.
You are acting like these are exclusively 1 traits; they aren't. There are many types that act like this, including ILE-Ti.
I don't think he's a 127, or 721 or 712. Not all 7s come off as lighthearted - they pursue what THEY think is fun and interesting. He's probably 7x3.So you don't think he's lighthearted or fun, but you think he's a 7? I just don't follow your logic here at all.
He doesn't seem to come from his gut to me; he seems to think he knows this stuff because he's studied it, and whatever issues I've had with Jack's typing skills I don't think he's ever claimed to be the "best" at it- you are reading into things. He's just speaking like someone who has studied Socionics in a fair amount o depth along with also studying Occupational Psychology for his degree- that and being an ILE-Ti is where his confidence in the soundness of his logic comes from.What he is lacking from a core 7 is the risk part. He seems to come from his gut and like he "knows" all of this stuff from his gut, and is the best at it -- that's totally 1.
If being a cocky know-it-all meant being a 1, a pretty large number of people on this forum and in the world at large (maybe even a majority) are E1. Except, they're not E1s. If he's looked at enneagram he can type himself I'm sure.
disclaimer: tried to watch videos of his before and just can't, so I'm not watching ones posted here either. The leading questions annoy me way too much. It's like "here, let me manipulate questions to a predetermined conclusion to convince you of the type that I've already decided you are while pretending that I'm not doing that. . ." I can't take them without wanting to punch something.
Sounds like you live in an E1 environment. This does not match my interpretation of people. Anyway it's probably not E1, enneagram is stupid anyway. It's ridiculous to think there's only 9 personality types. Why 9? There is no logical reason for it, it's just a number someone pulled out a bag, there may have been 10 if the guy that wrote it hadn't died.
And before you say it - socionics is not personality and there's a reason why there's 16 types!
So as one of the most logical types in the socion - you are LSI, why do you bother with it?
Why do I bother with enneagram? I've talked about it before, and it has nothing to do with logic or whether the system makes sense or anything. It has to do with seeing myself in the health levels of the E1, knowing what I can be like when I'm at my worst, and recognizing that the suggestions work and what I'm like when I'm at my best. It mirrors my own life and my own experience and is therefore useful to me personally. It doesn't matter how many categories there are, it only matters that the ones that exist describe real issues that people have. And they do.
You don't pick up a psych textbook and ask, why are there only X number of disorders? Because imo, what enneagram is useful for is sorting out some of the kinds of disorders, coping mechanisms and drives people can and do have. I'm not interested at all in using it to categorize people into types. I can recognize when someone does or doesn't struggle with the same kinds of things I do, but in the end it's a personal determination and not a type theory. Which is also why I find all the tritypes and etc so pointless - it's like why be so interested in pinning yourself down to the last degree, telling the world you're some number on the enneagram, and doing nothing with that knowledge at all but try to put other people into boxes too? What's the point?
Dont you like socionics? Why 16 types?
The enneagram has 9 types because that's the amount of core fears that was identified in different people.
The origins of it are unknown so it's not because "the guy who wrote it died", it's not one guy. 10 types wouldn't work because enneagram is built up on 3s and if they were 10 they wouldnt all be interconnected.
My impression is 1. Might change with other videos.
It's not just him being a "know it all" it's that he's created that whole world socionics society thing or whatever and sees himself as the judge of everything, and he wants to put everything in order. order=1
The way he speaks and explain things is very gut-like to me, the gut center is the center of knowing.
You seem to think very highly of people if you think everyone can type themselves correctly.
But if he's not 1 then he's a social 7
Last edited by maniac; 12-20-2017 at 09:23 AM.
Agreed, he's likely a Social 3w2. There was a girl in one of the enneagram groups who are years of searching has discovered her type to be SEE so/sp 3w2 and others have commented how much she is like Jack. Anyone who knows the history of WSS also knows there have been quite a bit of deceit involved in it, the weak point of the 3s, and that his group's aggressive spread and attempted takeovers of other groups points to an assertive triad type (3-7-8).
Gamma rational would seem fitting for her, something like ESI-Se. I'm going to retype her since I've gathered more examples of 1w9s and there are some dissimilarities there.
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