Trans.: To save an animal does not change the world, but it changes the entire world for the animal.
(Can also be applied to enneagram 6. The entire topic is very 862.)
Trans.: To save an animal does not change the world, but it changes the entire world for the animal.
(Can also be applied to enneagram 6. The entire topic is very 862.)
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8 want to know what people are "on their side", and then they will do all they can to protect them
this goes for fixes too, but not to the same extreme
8 meme
Mover shaker Miley... makes sense. My party girl @handjob and I pray to her every Friday night
7w6 or 7w8?
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8w9 6w7 2w1 - Drax (ESI-Se)
8w7 7w6 3w4 - Yondu (SLE-Se)
Disclaimer: Yondu could also be the reverse, 7w8, I am not 100% sure about him. What I know with certainty: triple assertive It's about the core type. Opinions?
wouldn't rorschach be a 6? from what I remember his whole deal was about unwavering loyalty to the cause and an almost obsessive fixation on moral principle. I can't really see an 8 caring about that. 8 gut fix seems right though, probably 468.
He was obsessed with the idea of innocence and justice, which are common central themes for 8s.
There is also a certain fearlessness and recklessness about him that CP 6s do not really have. He's just being ruthless, and has "anger issues".
Also, he is unable to feel "tender emotions" or allow himself to feel vulnerable emotions, which is very typical of an average to unhealthy 8.
I find the following applies well to him:
Soft and tender emotions tend to make Eights feel “weak,” and, more to the point, intimacy requires Eights to lower their defenses and thereby become vulnerable. Vulnerability, in turn, triggers the Eight’s fear of being controlled.
(...) Eights are often prone to anger, one of the few feelings they allow themselves to feel in its pure form. As mentioned, the experience of tender emotions such as compassion, love, sorrow, melancholy and pity can cause the Eight to feel vulnerable, as such emotions are caused by, and in turn cause, a feeling of ego permeability and “openness.” Anger, on the other hand, embodies a feeling of being in opposition to the world and, at least as the Eight experiences it, a sense of the importance of overcoming that opposition. In the Eight’s experience of anger, ego boundaries are consolidated, the world kept in opposition, and the Eight focused on domination.
(...) Eights are often said to have an internal sense of “justice,” and it is true that Eights are acutely aware of the ways in which power is used and abused.
(...) Unhealthy Eights, on the other hand, are the most brutal of the enneatypes. Unhealthy Eights are bullies who enjoy intimidating those whom they see as weak and who feel little compunction about walking over anyone who crosses their path. They are crude, brutal, dangerous and grotesquely insensitive to the feelings of others. An element of sadism frequently enters the picture, sadism being a clear and obvious manifestation of the attempt to attain power by means of domination and humiliation; a weakness posing as strength.
to me it seems to be too much of an ethical vendetta for it to be a gut-fix issue. ime 8s kind of blindly care about said things, and dominate accordingly; rorschach seems to know exactly where his values are in this regard.
fair enough, but it never felt to me like he was just angrily imposing himself on his environment. I could easily see a cp6 with an 8 fix doing similarly, especially in regard to the way he justifies it.There is also a certain fearlessness and recklessness about him that CP 6s do not really have. He's just being ruthless, and has "anger issues".
yeahAlso, he is unable to feel "tender emotions" or allow himself to feel vulnerable emotions, which is very typical of an average to unhealthy 8.
maybe, but is it really about opposition? for me it seems like he cares more about vindication than volitional conquest, but I could be wrong.I find the following applies well to him:
Maleficent is an 8w9. TIM: SEE.
+ connotation with E3
What I noticed:
So, 8 vengeance is of course motivated by protecting themselves. When they are threatened, the easiest way they go about it is by mirroring what their attacker is giving them. That attacker is so shocked when they are treated the same way and backs off. Why? 8 sees weakness. Especially within themselves, and they know how they cover up their own vulnerability. So they can spot that in others, too, getting on their niveau (8 is not afraid of that, they are convinced they should be/are in charge either way). The attacker is countered with their own method to be strong. It's a reverse technique and immensely effective, physically but also predominantly on a verbal level.
This has got to be the most E8 pose yet
I think shes 8w9.. granted ive just seen this one video of her
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
E8, most fire music.
"Karma Coffee & Tea"
Nicki's verse is the best as of recently. #AStarsAStar #Rrrr
8w9 So/Sp - Garaus Vakarian
He's into "justice", but not like a Type 1 – he's making his own rules (or doesn't care for rules).
Social 8s can often be mistyped as Type 1s; I certainly considered Type 1 for him.
He's very similar to Batman.
And apparently I am not the only one who sees that.
I'd type them both as 8w9 So/Sp.
I'm really more of an 8 rather than a 7 or maybe a combination of both. :/
Yes, the 9's tendency to pretend they're not angry at all. He resembles Thranduil from the Hobbit (core 8) a bit there, both wings are quite present.
Contraflow should be a given. Healthy social instinct - no, he is totally weird with the guys from Olympus. SX is not a focus at all. Agreeing with SO/SP.
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These Tritypes with type 8 leading are very intense and definitive. Ironically, these Tritypes with 8 leading are softer than the 4 and 6 with this Tritype (I dont agree with this. But I think its the softest 8). The 4’s emotional sensitivity and the 6’s need to engage cause these 8s to demonstrate fierce devotion as well as fierce opposition. These 8s are very outspoken and easily call off their truth. They are quick to anger but are just as quick to get over it. Due to the 4 in these Tritypes, these 8s are more tenderhearted and emotionally sensitive and available than say the 863 that is more driven to succeed by not expressing the emotions that can slow the 8 down."
– Carolyn BartlettEights possess an instinctual sense of truth and the inherent ability to relate to others without prejudice. As children, however, they learn to conceal their openness as they observe a world in which the weak are often victimized and the truth is defined by the most powerful. Those who have power – parents, teachers, authority figures – seem to harmfully misuse it or are too ineffectual to be trusted for protection. Eight children protect themselves by turning up the burner on their instinctual life force. This makes their energy available, abundant, and pleasurable.
Eight children often care for and protect others. As one Eight explained: “Nobody ever stood up for me. I never appeared to need it. I never consciously felt I needed it. It was 100% my job to protect others, and I would stop short of nothing to do it.” Another Eight added, “I went and stole a dog from some neighbors who were abusing it. My mom said ‘you have to return it.’ I said no. I kept it and ran a placement service for other abused animals I found.”
The parents of Eights often find it difficult to manage the child’s aggressive energy and many Eights remember not feeling held or nurtured: “My mom would tell my dad, ‘I cannot handle that kid. You’re going to have to do something.’” Some parents respond to the child’s power with double messages: “I think my dad liked my aggression even though I got in trouble. Everyone looked to me to solve problems in the neighborhood.”
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Some Eights described themselves as having been insecure and even shy, especially as children, but concede that this was probably not how others saw them. Even when conditions caused them to suppress their energy, the importance of being strong and protecting others was constant.
Eights protect themselves with the defense mechanism of denial, unconsciously disavowing their thoughts, feeling, wishes, needs or any external facts that are consciously unacceptable. The core neurotic impulse of Eights is “lust” – which can be sexual in nature, but also includes lust for whatever the Eight desires, especially power.
Lust drives Eights to be strong and act on their immediate desires which makes them feel omnipotent. They then deny their weaker feelings and the damaging impact of their actions. By acting quickly and impulsively, Eights avoid reflecting on their behavior, maintaining a momentum that prevents them from recognizing the vulnerability and hurt of others. More importantly this denial keeps them from feeling their own vulnerability. One Eight describes how she would deny her own doubt: “I want to have all my answers right away and I need to show no doubt. Some questions need complexity but I just have an answer in your face, ‘That’s how I feel, if you don’t accept my answer you are wrong.’”
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Eights are often caretakers and, like Twos, they can resent giving too much, especially to those who don’t seem to help themselves. They may, however, feel codependently compelled to fight other people’s battles: “I always have vengeful thoughts, but if I act on them I feel awful. Still, other people want me to act on them and sometimes I get used.”
One Eight said that her therapist helped her manage her caretaking tendencies by continually asking: “Who are you really protecting?” and “Why are you protecting them?” These questions helped the Eight see how she projected her own needs and childhood wounds. For Eights, finding a balance between protecting those who seem defenseless versus slamming the door on giving can be a rich source of growth.
On the high side, developing their inner Two helps Eights express their compassion and big hearts. An Eight therapist said: “I have a quick and very accurate intuitive reading of people, and can almost feel what is hurting them, and what they need from me.”
. . . I will therefore use the word "lust" to denote a passion for excess, a passion that seeks intensity, not only through sex, but in all manner of stimulation: activity, anxiety, spices, high speed, the pleasure of loud music, and so on.
. . . The indolent aspect of the lusty may be understood not only as a feeling of not-alive-enough-except-through-over-stimulation but also in a concomitant avoidance of inwardness. We may say that the greed for ever more aliveness, characteristic of the lusty personality, is but an attempt to compensate for a hidden lack of aliveness.In comparison to the 7's gluttony:. . . [E]ven though the lusty type is passionately in favor of his lust and of lust in general as a way of life, the very passionateness with which he embraces this outlook betrays a defensiveness-as if he needed to prove to himself and the rest of the world that what everybody calls bad is not such. Some of the specific traits that convey lust, such as "intensity," "gusto," "contactfuiness," "love of eating," and so on, are intimately bound to the constitutional stratum of personality.
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There is in lust not only pleasure, but pleasure in asserting the satisfaction of impulses, pleasure in the forbidden and, particularly, pleasure in fighting for pleasure. In addition to pleasure proper there is here an admixture of some pain that has been transformed into pleasure: either the pain of others who are "preyed upon" for one's satisfaction or the pain entailed by the effort to conquer the obstacles in the way to satisfaction. It is this that makes lust a passion for intensity and not for pleasure alone. The extra intensity, the extra excitement, the "spice," comes not from instinctual satisfaction, but from a struggle and an implicit triumph.
– Claudio Naranjo, Character and Neurosis: An Integrative ViewThe characterological syndrome of lust is related to that of gluttony in that both are characterized by impulsiveness and hedonism. In the case of gluttony, however, impulsiveness and hedonism exist in the context of a weak, soft and tender-minded characterological context, while in lust the context is that of a strong and tough-minded character.
– Claudio Naranjo, Character and Neurosis: An Integrative ViewOpposite to envy on the enneagram, lust may be said to constitute the upper pole of a sado-masochistic axis. The two personalities, VIII and IV, are in some ways opposites (as these terms suggest), though also similar in some regards, such as in the thirst for intensity. Also, just as a masochistic character is in some ways sadistic, there is a masochistic aspect in the character of lust; and while a sadistic character is active, a masochistic disposition is emotional: the former reaches out without guilt towards the satisfaction of its need; the latter yearns and feels guilty about its neediness.
Just as the envy-centered character is the most sensitive in the enneagram, ennea-type VIII is the most insensitive. We may envision the passion for intensity of ennea-type VIII as an attempt to seek through action the intensity that ennea-type IV achieves through emotional sensitivity, which here is not only veiled over by the basic indolence that this ennea-type shares with the upper triad of the enneagram but also by a desensitization in the service of counter-dependent self-sufficiency.
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[A]nd just as ennea-type V is intra-punitive and shy, ennea-type VIII is extra-punitive and bold. . . .