Correlations between Socionics and Enneagram types (old discussions)

[dreamer]

Is there a connection between that and this? Some are obvious, some not. INFJs would be twos? Twos sound like me but not the regular INFJ.

Type 2 The Helper
Abusing food and over-the-counter medications. Bingeing, especially on sweets and carbohydrates. Over-eating from feeling "love-starved." Hypochondria to look for sympathy.

True that.

Type 4 The Individualist
Over-indulgence in rich foods, sweets, alcohol to alter mood, to socialize, and for emotional consolation. Lack of physical activity. Bulimia. Depressants. Tobacco, prescription drugs, or heroin for social anxiety. Cosmetic surgery to erase rejected features.

This too though.

[Mastermind]

The problem I find in the Enneagram is that if you're this, then you also have to be that, whereas in Socionics you can be this, but not that.

And also, I've taken the test and tied on about four of the types-1,3,5, and 8, just because they're different parts of my personality, but not one of them describes me completely.

[FDG]

INFj...1-6-MAYBE 4, unlikely 2

2->ExFj usually

[Gilly]

I'm a 7w6. This basically makes me the shit.

[Slacker]

I'm a 7w6 too.

[Gilly]

I'm a 7w6 too.

/me high fives

[aestrivex]

The problem I find in the Enneagram is that if you're this, then you also have to be that, whereas in Socionics you can be this, but not that.

And also, I've taken the test and tied on about four of the types-1,3,5, and 8, just because they're different parts of my personality, but not one of them describes me completely.

thats interesting. personally, there is much less question about my enneagram type than socionics type, which is 5w6. never on any test have i tested as anything else, and the profile is very accurate.

[Expat]

Is there a connection between that and this? Some are obvious, some not. INFJs would be twos? Twos sound like me but not the regular INFJ.

Type 2 The Helper
Abusing food and over-the-counter medications. Bingeing, especially on sweets and carbohydrates. Over-eating from feeling "love-starved." Hypochondria to look for sympathy.

True that.

Type 4 The Individualist
Over-indulgence in rich foods, sweets, alcohol to alter mood, to socialize, and for emotional consolation. Lack of physical activity. Bulimia. Depressants. Tobacco, prescription drugs, or heroin for social anxiety. Cosmetic surgery to erase rejected features.

This too though.

That is not a good way to approach the Enneagram -- it's better to approach the types from the point of view of their motivations, rather than such traits.

Anyway, I think INFjs are usually 1w9 or 9w1, perhaps 6. 2s are types as FDG said. Usually ESFjs.

[Kim]

I'm a 7w6 too.

/me high fives

/me joins the club

[Gilly]

I'm a 7w6 too.

/me high fives

/me joins the club

/me giggles

[pesto]

Is there a connection between that and this? Some are obvious, some not. INFJs would be twos? Twos sound like me but not the regular INFJ.

Type 2 The Helper
Abusing food and over-the-counter medications. Bingeing, especially on sweets and carbohydrates. Over-eating from feeling "love-starved." Hypochondria to look for sympathy.

True that.

Type 4 The Individualist
Over-indulgence in rich foods, sweets, alcohol to alter mood, to socialize, and for emotional consolation. Lack of physical activity. Bulimia. Depressants. Tobacco, prescription drugs, or heroin for social anxiety. Cosmetic surgery to erase rejected features.

This too though.

Yeah, I'm 4w5.

[dreamer]

What's the W for? You can two of them...HUH?

[pesto]

What's the W for? You can two of them...HUH?

In my case it means I'm 4 but with slight 5 tendencies, sort of.

[aestrivex]

What's the W for? You can two of them...HUH?

wing. 2w3 = two with three wing.

[dreamer]

I took the short test. Seems like I'm 4 with 9 tendencies. *shrugs* Actually, the 9 is a bit off. I'm more accurate as a 4. Yea. My relation with others as a 4 is very accurate, especially with the 2 who fits my esfj friend and also with the 3 if 3's the estp i know.

the one on http://www.enneagraminstitute.com

[Dioklecian]

Which test did you take dreamer?

[Hugo]

Is this correlation accurate:

ENFj - 1
ESFj - 2
ExTp - 3
INFx - 4
INTx - 5
ENFp - 6
ISFp - 6
ISxj - 7
ESFp - 7
ENTj - 8
ESTj - 9
ISTp - 9

[Creepy-bg]

I've always come up a 5w4 or a 4w5 (depending on my drug content) so in my instance it's pretty close.

4w5 tends to be on weed, psychadelics
5w4 tends to be on amphetamines or sober

[Gilly]

7 is EP temperment. 3 is more EJ.

[FDG]

I ain't a 3. In actuality, I know more ESFp 3 than ExTp 3.

ESTj 9 - no. ESTj 1

ISxj 7???

ISxj - 6
ISTj - 6/5/1/9
ISFj - 6/2/1/9

ENFp - 7/6

[oyburger]

I usually get 5 or 1.

[Blaze]

i get 7 or 3. whats w as in 4w5 or whatever

[Expat]

whats w as in 4w5 or whatever

w as in "wing", meaning - for example - you are essentially a 4 but inclining towards 5 rather than 3, so 4w5 means 4 with a 5 wing. A subtype essentially.

[Phaedrus]

Is this correlation accurate:

ENFj - 1
ESFj - 2
ExTp - 3
INFx - 4
INTx - 5
ENFp - 6
ISFp - 6
ISxj - 7
ESFp - 7
ENTj - 8
ESTj - 9
ISTp - 9

Some things are correct about that list. Perhaps the most certain mistake is "ISXj -7". The ISFj is a 6, many ISTjs are 1s. Most ISFps are probably 9s, and I have never understood why some people claim that ESTjs are 9s. That doesn't make much sense to me. Can some one explain where that comes from?

[Creepy-Diana]

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[FDG]

Is this correlation accurate:

ENFj - 1
ESFj - 2
ExTp - 3
INFx - 4
INTx - 5
ENFp - 6
ISFp - 6
ISxj - 7
ESFp - 7
ENTj - 8
ESTj - 9
ISTp - 9

Some things are correct about that list. Perhaps the most certain mistake is "ISXj -7". The ISFj is a 6, many ISTjs are 1s. Most ISFps are probably 9s, and I have never understood why some people claim that ESTjs are 9s. That doesn't make much sense to me. Can some one explain where that comes from?

From the associated Oldham style "Leisurely"

[MysticSonic]

I think a lot of ISTps are 8w9s.

[aestrivex]

there is no definite correlation between enneagram and socionics.

[MysticSonic]

"The essential motivation of the 8 is to control their environment (*not* necessarily to control others - unless it's a means to this end), so that they may be free from the influence and control of others. In my view, this demands a very extroverted kind of focus. As well, 8s will tend to be "too much, too loud." Brash, outgoing, hold nothing back... they have a tremendous amount of externalized charisma in this sense when they get caught up in their instinctual impulses. And go way overkill in their pursuit and enjoyment of things. Again, this screams extroversion to me."

You think 8w9s are like this? I was under the impression that 8w9s were more the more subdued, menacing type.

[Phaedrus]

Ashton, interesting that we seem to have rather similar views on the correlation between socionic types and enneatypes, especially when it comes to INTps and INTjs where we completely agree that INTps are 5w4 and INTjs 5w6. But we seem to have completely opposite views on which are the socionic INTps and INTjs (our types are twisted there).

[FDG]

You think 8w9s are like this? I was under the impression that 8w9s were more the more subdued, menacing type.

I think a lot of enneatypes can be subdued and menacing (3s and cp6w7s particularly - they can be quite a bit scarier than many 8s). This is a quality that is by no means unique to 8s.

Yes I definitely agree, cp6w7 are way "scarier" at first sight than 8s, simply because they can't control themselves.

On the INTp/INTj, I do agree that INTj is more likely to be 5w6, though 5w4 is not entirely discountable as a mere possibility, even if probably the perecentage of INTj 5w4 is risible. I am pretty sure that an INTp Te subtype can, and is more likely to be 5w6/6w5 as opposed to w4; this consideration of course does not apply to Ni sub-types.

[Phaedrus]

However, I think you have some misunderstandings about and that have caused you to misattribute one for the other. Thus this has lead you to believe that you are INTp - and consequently of course, that you are also 5w4.

No. My typing of myself as INTp is not based on a function analysis. If one does that I think that a mistyping is rather likely. My typing is mainly (but not only) based on type descriptions and real life observations, and the only way to make sense of all that is if I am an INTp. The assumption that I am an INTj doesn't hold up to empirical observations, and it will lead to a chain reaction. The typings of a lot of other real life persons will start not to make sense, and so on. That I am a 5w4 is also based on a thorough comparison between type descriptions of Ennneatypes and subtypes.

[Gilly]

My typing is mainly (but not only) based on type descriptions and real life observations, and the only way to make sense of all that is if I am an INTp.

-Edited for Gilliganism-

Oh and MBTI didn't help either :/

[uninspired]

At the site www.geocities.com/lifexplore, there's a page (under the link "Myers-Briggs") containing a series of correlations between the 16 MBTI types and the 9 Enneagram types. Although MBTI's typology is slightly different from that of Socionics, IMO there's enough similarity to link the two together in relation to the Enneagram. Having said that, if I had to choose the best correlation I'd choose Fudjack and Dinkelaker's, which is the result of actual research (they tested subjects on both the Enneagram and the MBTI and recorded the results). Here's what that research showed (generally speaking, of course).

MB Type Enneagram Types
INFJ Four, One, Five
INTJ Five, One
ENFP Seven, Two, Three, Eight
ENTP Three, Eight, One
INFP Nine, Four, Six (I happen to be a six)
ISFP Two, Nine, Four
ENFJ Two, One, Three/Four, Seven
ESFJ Two, Three, Six
INTP Five, Six/Seven
ISTP Five, Nine, Seven, Two
ENTJ Eight, One (my ENTJ dad is a one), Three
ESTJ Eight, Three, One, Six
ISTJ One, Five, Six, Eight
ISFJ Three/Nine/One, Two, Six
ESTP Three, Seven, Eight, Nine
ESFP Seven, Eight, Two

We're all different, even those of us who are the same type! Yay!

[Sniper Kitten]

there is no definite correlation between enneagram and socionics.

yeah
Though some correlations are more common than others.

[Phaedrus]

Any MBTI type can be any Enneagram type.

Absolutely wrong.

Though some correlations are more common than others.

Absolutely right.

[detail]

BTW anyone has an idea about what enneagram type i am with the stacking and all? I never really got into it "the right way" so i'm curious.

Also, my internet connection has the same status as my knowledge of my enneagram type.

[Joy]

Obviously, the systems are not entirely compatible and are based on different things (aspects of reality vs. motivations), but I think there are some loose correlations, more so with some types than others.

Disclaimer: I'm new to enneagram. These perceptions of enneagram types are based on my current understanding of them, as are the correlations with Socionics.

1: IJ (and to a lesser extent: rationality, valued Fe, Se PoLR)
2: Si, Fe (and to a lesser extent: valued Si, valued Fe)
3: Fe, valued Se (and to a lesser extent: EJ, valued Fe, extroversion)
4: Ni dominance (and to a lesser extent: introversion, IP)
5: Ti (and to a lesser extent: Ne, Ti dominance, valued Ti)
6: Fi (and to a lesser extent: ethical, valued Fi, Fi Hidden Agenda)
7: Se, EP (and to a lesser extent: Fi PoLR)
8: Te, EJ, valued Se (and to a lesser extent: Se Hidden Agenda)
9: Si, ethical (to a lesser extent: introversion, valued Si, emotive, intuitive)

Sooooo...

ENTp: 7, 5w4
ISFp: 2w3, 9
INTj: 5w4
ESFj: 2w3, 3w2, 9w8
ESTp: 7w8
INFp: 4w3, 4w5
ISTj: 1, 5
ENFj: 3w4
ENTj: 8w9, 8w7
ISFj: 6, 1
INTp: 4w5, 6w5
ESFp: 6w7, 7w6
ESTj: 9w8, 3w2
INFj: 9w1, 1w2, 1w9
ISTp: 6w7
ENFp: 6w7, 7w6, 9w1, 2w1

[machintruc]

1 ISTj INTj ESTj
2 ESFj ENFp INFj
3 ENTj ESTj ESFj
4 ISFp INFp ENFj
5 INTj INTp ENTp
6 ISFj ENTj ISTp
7 ENTj ENTp ESTp
8 ESTj ENTj ISTj
9 ISFp INFj ENFp

Source : http://www.socioniquefrance.power-he....php?id=ref002

(Normally I don't use enneagram, because it's a masonic thing. On that context it's more a study.)

[Ezra]

Rough guide:

1w9 ESTj
1w2 ESTj, ESFj
2w1 ESFj
2w3 ESFj
3w2 ENFj
3w4 ENTj, ESTj
4w3 INFj, INFp
4w5 INFp, INFj
5w4 INFj, INTp
5w6 ISTj, INTj
6w5 INTj, ISTj
6w7 ESFp
cp6w5 ENTj
cp6w7 ESFj
7w6 ENFp, ESFp
7w8 ESTp
8w7 ENTp
8w9 INTj
9w8 ISTp
9w1 ISFp

Please note that all are speculations, and that it's nigh-on impossible to correlate socionics and the Enneagram, as it is almost impossible to accurately correlate MBTI and the Enneagram. This is merely for speculative, theoretical and discussion-/debate-generating purposes.