Correlations between Socionics and Enneagram types (old discussions)

[aestrivex]

LSEs want to control everything around them?

[Gilly]

Umm...not necessarily any more or less than an SLE or LSI, and probably moreso than any LIE or ESI, IME. I really don't see ESI as a good candidate for 8, tbh.

[discojoe]

Umm...not necessarily any more or less than an SLE or LSI, and probably moreso than any LIE or ESI, IME. I really don't see ESI as a good candidate for 8, tbh.

[Ezra]

Why the hell do so many people think incorrectly that LSEs are not prototypical 8s? Just because they don't value Se? And since when are LSEs often 6s? No sense at all there, IMO.

Umm...not necessarily any more or less than an SLE or LSI, and probably moreso than any LIE or ESI, IME. I really don't see ESI as a good candidate for 8, tbh.

Anyone with Se in the ego has a desire to extend their personal control beyond themselves. If Ni creatives, being weak in Se but still valuing it, desire this same control (which, valuing Se, they probably do), they use excessive levels of whatever Se egos know how to use proper amounts of.

Eights need to extend control to others, because otherwise, they lose their personal freedom, something they cannot do without (this is obviously part of the Eight's fixation, of which it's a task to get rid of). I just can't see someone who doesn't want to extend their control beyond themselves as an Eight. And if they don't, that means they're healthy. Very healthy. So, what, only healthy Eights can be LSEs? What if the Eight becomes unhealthy? Does that make them change type to a more controlling one?

[Robot]

What's the point of this?

Dolphin is a 4 I beleive so she would be in the "poor fit" category. I suppose that's alright. You said "poor fit" not "impossible."

Edit: It's not just Dolphin...other people as well.

Double edit: There's not even any proof that you're born with your E type...in fact isn't there research that said that environental factors when growing up strongly affect your E type?
If that's true which I'm pretty sure I read somewhere then I really really don't see the point of saying X sociotype would be X enneagram.

[Ezra]

What's the point of this?

Dolphin is a 4 I beleive so she would be in the "poor fit" category. I suppose that's alright. You said "poor fit" not "impossible."

Edit: It's not just Dolphin...other people as well.

Double edit: There's not even any proof that you're born with your E type...in fact isn't there research that said that environental factors when growing up strongly affect your E type?
If that's true which I'm pretty sure I read somewhere then I really really don't see the point of saying X sociotype would be X enneagram.

I think there are certain environmental factors that cause various traits of a certain Enneagram type to appear. I also believe that there are in inherent traits in each of us of our Enneagram type. I talked about this in another forum when I was talking about my life and why I am an Eight.

There's also no proof that we're born with a socionics type.

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

[aestrivex]

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

i don't think there's a chance in hell of dolphin as 9.

[Robot]

I think there are certain environmental factors that cause various traits of a certain Enneagram type to appear. I also believe that there are in inherent traits in each of us of our Enneagram type. I talked about this in another forum when I was talking about my life and why I am an Eight.

There's also no proof that we're born with a socionics type.

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

I don't know her in person and I'm not an enneagram expert but uhhmm...a nine? Doesn't most of her behaviour contradict that?

[Creepy-female]

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

Why do you think 9? We've been thinking 6 these days, actually.

[aestrivex]

What's the point of this?

Dolphin is a 4 I beleive so she would be in the "poor fit" category. I suppose that's alright. You said "poor fit" not "impossible."

Edit: It's not just Dolphin...other people as well.

i'm convinced dolphin is IEI.

your other examples are probably wrong too.

[Robot]

i'm convinced dolphin is IEI.

your other examples are probably wrong too.

Oh. Yeah maybe...I was just going off of what people said they were...Allie was the other example.