Correlations between Socionics and Enneagram types (old discussions)

**Ezra** · 09-07-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gilly

Why the hell do so many people think incorrectly that LSEs are not prototypical 8s? Just because they don't value Se? And since when are LSEs often 6s? No sense at all there, IMO.

Originally Posted by Gilly

Umm...not necessarily any more or less than an SLE or LSI, and probably moreso than any LIE or ESI, IME. I really don't see ESI as a good candidate for 8, tbh.

Anyone with Se in the ego has a desire to extend their personal control beyond themselves. If Ni creatives, being weak in Se but still valuing it, desire this same control (which, valuing Se, they probably do), they use excessive levels of whatever Se egos know how to use proper amounts of.

Eights need to extend control to others, because otherwise, they lose their personal freedom, something they cannot do without (this is obviously part of the Eight's fixation, of which it's a task to get rid of). I just can't see someone who doesn't want to extend their control beyond themselves as an Eight. And if they don't, that means they're healthy. Very healthy. So, what, only healthy Eights can be LSEs? What if the Eight becomes unhealthy? Does that make them change type to a more controlling one?

**Robot** · 09-20-2008, 06:46 AM

What's the point of this?

Dolphin is a 4 I beleive so she would be in the "poor fit" category. I suppose that's alright. You said "poor fit" not "impossible."

Edit: It's not just Dolphin...other people as well.

Double edit: There's not even any proof that you're born with your E type...in fact isn't there research that said that environental factors when growing up strongly affect your E type?
If that's true which I'm pretty sure I read somewhere then I really really don't see the point of saying X sociotype would be X enneagram.

**Ezra** · 09-20-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Robot

What's the point of this?

Dolphin is a 4 I beleive so she would be in the "poor fit" category. I suppose that's alright. You said "poor fit" not "impossible."

Edit: It's not just Dolphin...other people as well.

Double edit: There's not even any proof that you're born with your E type...in fact isn't there research that said that environental factors when growing up strongly affect your E type?
If that's true which I'm pretty sure I read somewhere then I really really don't see the point of saying X sociotype would be X enneagram.

I think there are certain environmental factors that cause various traits of a certain Enneagram type to appear. I also believe that there are in inherent traits in each of us of our Enneagram type. I talked about this in another forum when I was talking about my life and why I am an Eight.

There's also no proof that we're born with a socionics type.

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

**aestrivex** · 09-20-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Robot

What's the point of this?

Dolphin is a 4 I beleive so she would be in the "poor fit" category. I suppose that's alright. You said "poor fit" not "impossible."

Edit: It's not just Dolphin...other people as well.

i'm convinced dolphin is IEI.

your other examples are probably wrong too.

**aestrivex** · 09-20-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ezra

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

i don't think there's a chance in hell of dolphin as 9.

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Ezra

I think there are certain environmental factors that cause various traits of a certain Enneagram type to appear. I also believe that there are in inherent traits in each of us of our Enneagram type. I talked about this in another forum when I was talking about my life and why I am an Eight.

There's also no proof that we're born with a socionics type.

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

I don't know her in person and I'm not an enneagram expert but uhhmm...a nine? Doesn't most of her behaviour contradict that?

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by niffweed17

i'm convinced dolphin is IEI.

your other examples are probably wrong too.

Oh. Yeah maybe...I was just going off of what people said they were...Allie was the other example.

**Lotus** · 09-21-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Robot

Oh. Yeah maybe...I was just going off of what people said they were...Allie was the other example.

Niffweed thinks I'm IEI as well.

Creepy-female · 09-21-2008, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ezra

Anyway, dolphin isn't a Four. She's probably a Nine attempting to identify with a Four. Everyone seems to want to be a Four these days.

Why do you think 9? We've been thinking 6 these days, actually.

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 01:18 AM

Hi Fish Girl and Dolphin

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Allie

Niffweed thinks I'm IEI as well. Because Niffweed doesn't know anything about me!

I believe it!

Creepy-female · 09-21-2008, 01:27 AM

sup Robot

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 01:50 AM

WHOA. Now why is EII as a 4 a poor fit?

**Gilly** · 09-21-2008, 02:12 AM

4 is a relatively Fe-focused type; with Fe as a 7th function, I am very skeptical of the idea of an EII being overly-identified with his/her transient emotional states; however this is very consistent with having Fe as an Ego function.

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Gilly

4 is a relatively Fe-focused type; with Fe as a 7th function, I am very skeptical of the idea of an EII being overly-identified with his/her transient emotional states; however this is very consistent with having Fe as an Ego function.

Well yeah but does a four have to be over identified with his/her transient emotional states to be a four?

Gilly, what enneagram are you and how much of the descriptions do you identify with?

**Gilly** · 09-21-2008, 02:36 AM

Yes, that is a trait of Fours that is mentioned in numerous descriptions. The Four's basic motivation is to be in touch with and represent his/her "true" self, which is obscured by over-identification with transient emotional states.

I believe that I am 7w6 sx/so. I identify with much about types 3, 4, and 7, and parts of 5, 6, and 8.

**Robot** · 09-21-2008, 02:42 AM

Errr well yeah but my point was just that you don't have to identify with everything in a description in order for you to have that personality. Even some of the "meatier" parts of descriptions don't have to be true for you in order fo you to have that type IMO.

For instance, basically none of the enneagrams really describe my mother. There is one that fits her best though and only about 30%-40% of the descriptions are true for her. How would you handle a case like that?

Btw I think I might be a seven too. Iono tho.

EDIT: Let me flesh out the four thing a bit more. Say that ALL the rest of the four descriptions fit that person except identifying with transient emotionional states. And all the other descriptions don't fit that person as good as the four does. Then what?

**07490** · 05-04-2009, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Robot

WHOA. Now why is EII as a 4 a poor fit?

No, there are EII four, Christy is a perfect example, Not to be confused with EII one, you can see the differences if you compared the one, four and six side by side you see their phobia and their desire/motive clearly.

**machintruc** · 05-04-2009, 05:29 PM

EII-4 FTW!!!

**717495** · 06-28-2009, 10:06 AM

According to this, I'm an IEI. I like the other one better.

**The Exception** · 07-01-2009, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by 07490

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Sorry, that's not a possible enneagram type. Must be an integer in the range of 1-9.

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