It's midnight somewhere, close enough
Do the thing, make the type, let your soul be freeeeee
2015 Type Galen Thread
It's midnight somewhere, close enough
Do the thing, make the type, let your soul be freeeeee
E6w5 so-last; delta NF.Originally Posted by Galen
Whew...my soul feels sooo freeee now. How weird.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Your self-typings have always fit you, imo. You're one of the broody, darkerDeltas, which I'm kind of a sucker for actually. And to me you epitomize EP physically.
dude hurry up and choke me already ffs
Hmmm, now you got me wondering if you are referring to the introverted or extraverted type of choking...
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I was not aware there was a difference. Do enlighten.
Um, one involves more control over the gag reflex (introverted). The other may cause temporary (hopefully) loss of consciousness (extraverted).
I am on cold meds...don't judge me!
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I have a very sensitive gag reflex and am prone to wooziness. What type does that make me?Um, one involves more control over the gag reflex (introverted). The other may cause temporary (hopefully) loss of consciousness (extraverted).
I am on cold meds...don't judge me!
Same... I guess your type will remain a mystery, for now.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
The human type.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
You're a passive aggressive prick in a way that only an IEE could be.
edit: If any other type, then Delta whatever -- probably not EII, though...you seem like a repressed and constipated HandiAce -- for the record: the statement above does not apply to HA.
Last edited by male; 01-05-2015 at 06:44 PM.
What the heck happened to you?
This will sound ridiculous, but from the limited interaction we have, you always seem like you have Fe-PoLR and like Fe makes you physically sick. In the same cynical sarcastic ILI way like Cpig does.
I dunno, I don't have anything close to such experience with any other person I type IEE irl. They're usually very look on the bright side, excessively charming, sunshiny people, so much so they seem Fe ego often, so I'm confused how can you be so different.
Can't we just blame it all on enneagram and call it a day?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I have a hard time seeing how the enneagram would account for that degree of disdain for your identicals/quadra.Can't we just blame it all on enneagram and call it a day?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
My joke to Darya went
I actually did not know that he had disdain for his identicals until this thread.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Haha, sorry!My joke to Darya went
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Because enneagram instincts is by and large more telling of how naturally two people will interact.
Let me be clear, I do not hate IEEs by default. I don't hate any type by default.
I am still convinced that you cannot accurately determine instinct stackings without actively engaging with a person. Reading posts is not enough imho. /sidenote
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
The magic's in the instincts girl, the instincts.... haven't you learned anything?!Can't we just blame it all on enneagram and call it a day?
I do think that enneagram fixations have a significant impact on a person,s interactions/views of others.
Socionics is about processing TYPES of information, not specific content. Socionics doesn't cover motivations, experiences, actual values, etc that influence the actual content.
TLDR summary at the bottom in bold.
Enneagram helps differentiate between IEEs that are fixated on avoiding the pains of
* irritations and frustrations
* separation distress
* apprehensive uncertainty
Enneagram also helps explain different responses of approach/avoid/attack (or fight/flight/freeze/appease).
And of course differences in the instinct stackings involved with
* preserving self
* transmitting/receiving (connecting)
* building a social support network
Basically, it's one thing to compare an IEE to another IEE based on amount of Ne, Se, Te, Fe, etc types of info.
But it's a whole different story to compare an IEE to another IEE based on stress fixations and responses (enneagram) which have nothing to do with socionics info types.
I've never viewed Galen as disdaining other IEE. I don't see him as being disgusted by Fe, either.
I DO see him as having a stress fixation regarding uncertainty, with responses of avoidance and some attack (to overcome the uncertainty and/or wrong-filled information).
I see him spending quite a bit of time to resolve his uncertainties, studying more, garnering more information, etc.
He has anxieties over making meaningful connections with others, and has a sense of self preservation about it too.
It would be natural for his sense of self preserving to be at odds with other people's desire to build themselves social support networks. Not just HIS conflicts, but SP vs SO conflicts. This isn't him being anti-Fe, it's him being SO last.
I also see Galen as having a keen awareness of the pains of being IEE as well. That IEE aren't special little roses who can do no wrong, or who must always be positive, etc etc. Ne makes the anxiety fixation worse. Which can make the avoidance response more prominent as well. I see him mocking these negative aspects of NeFi, not in terms of mocking other NeFi for being NeFi, but more like mocking himself. Being aware of the negative aspects of NeFi within himself.
TLDR:
How about people stop trying to compare Galen with other IEE based on stress fixations/responses.
Stop trying to compare his SP with others' SO.
Stop trying to compare his anxiety fixations with others' image fixations.
Stop trying to compare his avoidance responses with others' approach responses.
And focus instead on whether or not he himself prefers NeFiTeSi types of info.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
This sounds pretty accurate. As should be well evinced by now, I have a knee-jerk aversion to what I see as poor argument and I'll viscerally seek to eradicate it. Dispersion of shitty information gets my goat, as with yours.
I'm inclined to agree, but I do wonder how apparent that comes off in my communications here.
I'm not sure the issue here is conflating Fe with So-first; unless it really is a common Social trope to be outwardly engaging and "let's join hands and sing Kumbaya" blah blah.
It is always really uncomfortable to have people reach out their hand and welcome me to themselves without either of us having a sense of who the other is. "I will accept you" when they don't know what there is to accept about me in the first place. Like we haven't learned anything about each other's characters to trust the other person, so why would we start now? Probably also E6 related.
Eh, I'm not really fixated on my presence as IEE in that way. Some good chunk of it may be a latent association between being IEE and femininininity that I'm secretly trying to distance myself from. That feels terrible to say but that's kinda what's happening I think.
no it doesn't, you seem to not understand the term "motivation" or the hidden-agenda function or it's place in the psyche. either way, slim pickings. this lends zero weight to your argument since HA "motivations" are pretty suspect to begin with.
and how many male IEEs did you compare Galen to, out of curiosity?
inside joke. also he called so > sx demon hellspawn, not IEEs. either way, omfg, inside joke.
blah blah blah blah you can rationalize anything if you bullshit enough reasons out of thin air.
WILLIAM WOULD LIKE YOU TO LEAVE THE FORUM ANN, HOW DARE YOU BE CRITICAL OF SOCIONICS
You made some good points in favor of other types but then you lost me with this narrow-minded statement. Really? There would be no forum left if everyone who believed that socionics was not the only measure of intertype relations were to leave. I think we are conflictors again. :/
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
rofl
"not everything is explained by socionics. the fact that you think this must be socionics related"
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
^ Why can I not like a post twelve consecutive times?
@William
This post covers your reasons given for LIE in your posts #13 and 15. I will get to your post to me later.
* he VIs like some of the russian LIE portraits. ((VI? Seriously?))
* you see him as coming across like the victim romantic style. ((How so?))
* Galen said he and Radio were "basically the same person", and you think that must mean socionics, and also must mean identicals or duals; and since you type Radio as ESI, that 'must' make Galen ESI/LIE.
* you don't see him as having zest and enthusiasm for exploring new ideas ((yet you're the one emphatically trying to curtail his interest in also using enneagram in typings rather than limiting himself to just socionics; we can also easily dismiss his other hobbies and interests as well, I suppose. I mean his zest for dance games, creating music, other theories, etc is just so...mundane.))
* talks candidly about his feelings like other LIE do ((which LIE have written about their angst? When has Ashton, FDG, Narc, etc ever written a post like the one Galen did regarding The Lion King?))
((and what about IEE who have also talked candidly about their feelings and angsts? Are they to be retyped too?))
* he comes across differently from Refi ((who openly admits to using a persona on this forum)) and the female IEEs ((are we to ignore life experiences like gender, age, and sexuality, too? I mean seriously, how in the world could a mid-20's homosexual male be sooo different from heterosexual females over 35yo??))
* apathetic, 'screw everyone' fashion
* he doesn't engage in lighthearted discussions like Alphas do ((he's not Alpha)), or even Deltas sometimes. He has a darker, more serious tone, and you rarely see him being lighthearted and playful. ((We'll conveniently ignore instances like how the beginning of this very 2015 type thread started out as playful and lighthearted.))
* perpetual state of apathy and not giving a fuck and happily doing his own thing and not caring what others think ((as opposed to being ...what...hyper-emotional, people pleasing, image focused, unable to just do their own thing because "OMG WHAT would people THINK???" IEE?
* he has intuitive perception of information which you think might be explained by his raw honesty for how thoughts are being generated, and his dissecting them all the time.
* he thinks systematically, candidly, and cryptically.
* would probably dismiss your post as 'preposterous'.
((So, you think his thinking process is systematic, candid, cryptic, demonstrates raw honesty for how thoughts are generated, and dissects them....and that that kind of thinking ability would so easily dismiss your post as 'preposterous'. Um, do you realize that you had put down your own thinking ability?))
Also regarding post 15:
What does ability to get along with most people have to do with him making a type thread? Is this suggesting that the reason why you've made all those type threads for yourself was because you don't 'get on' 'just fine' with most people? Is that the only reason for doing a type me thread?
What do you type Maritsa as?
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
You think aggressors are romantically attracted to whining?
Wouldn't whining be more of a caregiver attractor?
Creating music is a continuous development thing, not something one learns once and is done. There's always new things to explore when creating music.Interest in current things already known does not = zest and enthusiasm for exploring new ideas. Ne I see as more open to the opinions and perspectives of others. Even if they disagree - take for example your willingness to even type out your response, even if you disagree with me. Every type will have NTR interests such as dance games, creating music, other theories, etc. That doesn't mean functionally the person is exhibiting Ne.
I'll look for it. While you look for posts from Ashton, fdg, or Narc that demonstrate the candid sharing you say exists.Do you have a link to the post you are referring to?
Except you weren't totally typing by function now, were you. There was an awful lot of vibe talk in your posts. Even a touch of VI.Coming across differently to IEEs could be interpreted as evidence that he's NOT IEE. Or considering your perspective that it's based on other factors in his life, his sexuality, his gender, age, etc. - technically every singe one of us on this form 'comes across' slightly differently - that's why I think it's best to type by function. How do you define Ne & Fi, ann? How do you see Galen using them?
I'm not retyping socionics for you. Go to my blog and you'll see my views on the elements there.
The rest is worthless to type more than i've already done for you.
Hmm, interesting, all those typing threads you did for yourself were borderline attention-seeking/narcissism eh?It's not that it's ignored - every type can exhibit 'playfulness'. It's the degree and nature and pattern of their playfulness which should be taken into account. One instance of borderline attention-seeking / narcissism is not evidence of a single type. Again, impressions like these steer away from the definitions of the functions and how information is interpreted.
And yet you wrote elsewhere in this thread about Galen's difference to "cheery and perceptive" IEE.I'd like to hear how you define Ne & Fi. Not all IEEs are the same. Your stereotype you impose is not true for all IEEs. I'll give an example - Simon Small or w/e his name was who used to be active, I believe is a male IEE who is NOT cheery. This blows apart any bias you think I have.
Reread what i said, you obviously either didn't understand it, or are pretending you didn't.No. That's definitely more typical of Galen. Do you care to provide an explanation why you think this is more typical of me?
I'm pretty sure he already hinted he wouldn't, in one of his responses to you, something to the effect of if he couldn't see something going anywhere, then he wouldn't bother wasting his time/energy on it.No. But I still haven't heard Galen's official answers to my questions. I think I already have heard them though. Like woof said, drama and type-masquerading, too much for me at least.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Go for it
Second Part, finally.
@William
I write with barely 2-3 inches of text showing at a time, so I do have to multiquote cuz I'm two fingering all this and am not going to add a shitload of scrolling and place refinding to that. Suck it.
For starters, the hidden agenda is vital, not mental. It activates the base, feeds it, mobilizes it into action, but isn't a conscious drive. If Galen were demonstrating Se HA, we would be seeing an activation and mobilization of his supposed Te base. He would probably now be expounding on all sorts of Te shit, in an attempt to overwhelm his opponent with a bunch of big words, complex sentences, and sheer crappage. (Like Ashton does.
What I AM seeing is Se Role, combined with a who f'n cares about William attitude. Which IS in the mental ring, and requires a certain amount of stress/irritation to get there.
BTW, in the link you have, of Expat's interpretations of Hidden Agendas, there was a link to a thread about IEEs Te HA. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-hidden-agenda
In it, Galen wrote:
I think this is a damned good description of IEE Te HA.
In my prior post to this one, I addressed such "differences". Also, see above about Se Role and his description of IEE Te HA. Sorry about the two postings, but limited space and limited brain tonight for juggling it all at once.
Please show me times before this thread where he has shown disdain for IEE in a totally serious non-joking manner.
I've seen him do similar things regarding e6s, of which he self types as, as well.
Also, I'm sure he was referring to IEE-SOs, which fits with the joking conversation I read in the chatbox earlier this evening.. Whether it came from that conversation or another one, it does seem to be one of his 'things'.
Also, Radio says inside joke. You know...a 'thing'.
Sit down and have a real conversation with any IEE, and you'll soon learn that it's truly not uncommon for IEE to be neurotic about their relationships with other people. See, Ne-HP really has a way of fucking with one's perceptions. For every positive, sure thing, there's two or more unsure things tagging along with it. We can't help but turn things around, see them from differing lights. And it's pretty much guaranteed that not all of those lights are positive ones. If you ever got involved with an IEE, it wouldn't be long before the neuroticness would start to appear.
Add in enneagram's Anxiety/Head Center, and you've really got a mess to deal with. Oh...wait...sorry, I forgot I'm supposed to be LIMITING my ideas and understandings for you.
Not seeing it.
Not quoting the whole paragraph here, just the best parts, lol.
First, typing one's self as IEE isn't glorious. It has way too much neurosis that goes with being IEE.
Secondly, Do you seriously think that you have that much of an affect on him? To make him curl up at your 'weak-Fe'. At your supposed Fe-HA of "trying to show how popular and liked by the crowd you are, but are actually making yourself look like an ass"?
Which is it, William? Are you Fe base and polr hitting him, making him curl up because you, personally, William the Great, don't support his self-typing? Or are you merely Fe-HA making yourself look like an ass?
Also, talk about contradictions. One minute you're claiming he's curling up at your supposed weak-Fe, the next that he's "trying to show how "brave and confrontational" he is". Which is it? Is he cringing away at your mighty Fe or puffing his chest up in confrontational stance? Make up your mind. Is it Fe polr you're 'seeing', or is it Se HA? You can't even keep it straight in your own mind, in the SAME freaking paragraph!!
Then you totally SUCK as an ILE, cuz a Ti-Polr IEE can see your inconsistencies a mile away. (See the above as a reminder.)I can easily see you, ann, as being IEE, as you're trying to reconcile the differences in perceived information but don't notice the inconsistencies.
You've never seen an IEE suggest that they are smarter than you? Can you truly not read between the lines? I've told you numerous times, in varying threads, just not in such abrupt words. Seriously, look above, I told a supposed ILE that I can see his dumbass inconsisencies from a mile away.In fact, I have NEVER seen an IEE, when attacked and forced to defend themselves, resolve an argument with Ti-PoLR by saying they are simply "smarter" than someone else. That also seems much more typical of Gamma NT or another type than a cheery or perceptive IEE.
Oh..you said resolve it. Well, yeah. It wouldn't resolve an argument very well. But that's not to say an IEE wouldn't say such a thing.
And ffs, Ne base with Fi creative, does NOT mean "cheery and perceptive". Nor does it mean they don't have their Se role moments.
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If you can't handle alternative ideas, alternative theories, alternative understandings, or other legitimate possibilities, etc, then please kindly drop the Ne base from your typing.
He's not 'a ridiculously unique IEE'. You've just got ridiculously unique inconsistencies in your arguments.
No, it's not. It's typical for NFs to have numerous theories about people.
It's also typical of NeFi to have varying ideas of what all might be influencing the differences between people, and how two people are interacting.
@Galen, stop being so IEE for William, it's agitating him.
How can any meaningful discussion about actual people and their actual relationships be generated if you insist on blocking out all other ideas/theories/possibilities?
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
I read this months ago and I loved it.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Last edited by anndelise; 01-06-2015 at 04:31 PM.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
lol that one was cute. Looking at it again makes me all smiley.
Links like these are very constructive to a typing thread. It gives a broader perspective on someone. One of the things I dislike about people typing each other is that they only see random posts/comments then try to use that to construct a personality type around someone without a lot of interaction. When I think I know someone's type, and I care enough to prove it to myself that I am right, I have to almost stalk them by reading their blogs and posts to see if I am getting the full picture. IOW I do my research...
It's nothing really personal about them, even though I may feel a draw to them, so i'm not a creeper, just curious about my own impressions. It is like, first I will get an impression then I set out to prove to myself that my impressions are right. I tend to keep most of them to myself in case I am wrong. New information about someone can equal a different perspective so it is always evolving. It is easier to type people I have known for years based on historical evidence leading to a pretty solid understanding of how I interact with them but even then people surprise me...
I have never had any problem seeing Galen as an aristocratic sx/sp.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
When I go to actually, seriously type someone, I do similar, only not looking to prove my impressions right, but more to see where i am wrong/right and/or need to adjust my perception of them. But yes, similar.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Galen: totally ISTj.
On a serious note, socionics is to people what a map is to terrain. Maps, no matter how thoroughly researched and carefully built, are still just representations of a much more complex and detailed reality. A map is, by nature, a simplification and abstraction. It doesn't mean it's in error, though due to human nature the chances are high there are some mistakes. Also, maps usually have different foci and purposes. My phone's GPS map is all about navigating me through man-made streets and mainly includes just info to that goal; a topographic map has a very different purpose and different features. And, yet, they both can simultaneously accurately describe the same thing. I see socionics and the enneagram (and all sorts of other theories on humans) similarly, @William.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
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