LSEs and being "a real man" (ESTj)

[Beautiful sky]

I've wanted to write about what I've sometimes referred to wanting an LSE that's a "real man" and I have some good examples now from the interaction between myself and my bf. I've found the following examples from his behavior a representative of these characteristics. One day he asked me what I was doing the next day, as he often does as to keep track of what's going on, and I told him "I have to give a fasting blood test at 8:30am." He calculates all the actions, saying, "so you can't eat for 12 hours before then and we have about an hour to get you food, baby." Off we go to get food, any food, and plus or minus I had dinner by around 8:45pm.

Another example is when I try to do certain things around him he won't let me do them. He packs and carries all the groceries.

When he was in pain once and you could see that in his eyes, he kept saying "oh well, it is what it is." I felt so touched that he didn't pay it too much attention and dealt with it even though he had stuff to do, never really complaining about it but explaining where it was.

[Persephone]

This is looooove.
Maybe your bf is just a nice person and it's not type related.

[Beautiful sky]

This is looooove.
Maybe your bf is just a nice person and it's not type related.

Thank you Kore sadly, I don't think @BulletsAndDoves read my thread and would hardly agree with you since he thinks I'm not comfortable with what he refers to as "outliers"

[Olduvai]

When he was in pain once and you could see that in his eyes, he kept saying "oh well, it is what it is."

Si-ignoring questionmark

[Beautiful sky]

Si-ignoring questionmark

nope; where would you put the Te if you ignored the si? lol you're suggesting that he's TeNi?

[Olduvai]

nope; where would you put the Te if you ignored the si? lol you're suggesting that he's TeNi?

Te isn't even part of the equation.

He always tells me to rest or relax.

gentlemanly behavior is NTR, IMO.

he weighs out everything and organizes before he starts any task...plans first.

sounds like he might be a Farsighted type. doesn't mean he's LSE, though.


my guess? SLE. (because I still don't think you're EII.)

[Words]

Te isn't even part of the equation.




gentlemanly behavior is NTR, IMO.




sounds like he might be a Farsighted type. doesn't mean he's LSE, though.


my guess? SLE. (because I still don't think you're EII.)

Is your point then that because he can continue through pain that he can't be Si, you've heard of Arnold Schwarzenegger? I wonder if your reasons for Maritsa not being EII are equally convincing.

[Olduvai]

Is your point then that because he can continue through pain that he can't be Si

no, just that him dismissing his physical pain by saying, "oh well, it is what it is" might point to Si-ignoring.

you've heard of Arnold Schwarzenegger?

of course I have. so what?

I wonder if your reasons for Maritsa not being EII are equally convincing.

you probably wouldn't think so. good thing I don't care about what you think.

[Beautiful sky]

Si-ignoring questionmark

He always tells me to rest or relax. he weighs out everything and organizes before he starts any task...plans first.

[Words]

Sounds like he cares about you M

[Satan]

fwiw i can emulate this behaviour, and we're not duals.

although my first thought is why you're having a blood test so early in the morning.

[Beautiful sky]

fwiw i can emulate this behaviour, and we're not duals.

although my first thought is why you're having a blood test so early in the morning.

I can understand that, however it's that suspicious "why" that makes me feel bad. It makes me feel like I'm not good enough or that I don't measure up as a human being to be possible sick, like I should be strong enough to not have one in the first place. It makes me feel all sorts of things that I don't like to feel. In reality he can factor in why I would need a blood test because he remembers facts about me. I told him about my liver and my thyroid. He diagnoses himself and everyone else before they have a chance to see the doctor lol. Maybe if you know the why beforehand you would be less suspicious? Like I've said my SLE tried to diagnose my hand problem he said it's carpal tunnel which wasn't the problem, funny enough; he gets a lot wrong. My bf was right on, he said it's an injury probably tendonitis.

[Words]

no, just that him dismissing his physical pain by saying, "oh well, it is what it is" might point to Si-ignoring.

Then apart from someone continuing through some level of pain, what else points to SLE?

Is there any point in asking this question?

[Beautiful sky]

the difference between him and other duals that I've dated is the initiative. I feel that most other LSE have their d**** wrapped so tightly around their "independence" that they just don't know how to take the lead on the Te stuff for the relationship.

[Waster]

Clearly you haven't had an SLI of my caliber.

[InvisibleJim]

I await the next breakup and rapid boyfriend re-typing.

[Beautiful sky]

I await the next breakup and rapid boyfriend re-typing.

I don'y expect anything decent from you pple. Straight from the shit squad!

[InvisibleJim]

I don'y expect anything decent from you pple. Straight from the shit squad!

This will be, what, the 3rd/5th time I've seen it happen? Seriously I've given up counting this childish misuse and abuse of socionics.

So hum yeah, good luck; because by god Maritsa, you really need it.

[Beautiful sky]

This will be, what, the 3rd/5th time I've seen it happen? Seriously I've given up counting this childish misuse and abuse of socionics.

So hum yeah, good luck; because by god Maritsa, you really need it.

Thanks for the luck. Now move on!

[chriscorey]

This will be, what, the 3rd/5th time I've seen it happen? Seriously I've given up counting this childish misuse and abuse of socionics.

So hum yeah, good luck; because by god Maritsa, you really need it.

HELLO darling.

[Beautiful sky]

HELLO darling.

lol; he doesn't get that the past ones were just me fooling around

[Radio]

the difference between him and other duals that I've dated is the initiative. I feel that most other LSE have their d**** wrapped so tightly around their "independence" that they just don't know how to take the lead on the Te stuff for the relationship.

Oh he's SLE? Ok! Yum...best SLE that I ever dated. I'm keeping him. Thanks!

I don'y expect anything decent from you pple. Straight from the shit squad!

hahahhaha maritsa i love you so much. never change.

[Words]

@heavynurse, are you clever enough to realise you just blatantly admitted to trolling?

[Olduvai]

@heavynurse, are you clever enough to realise you just blatantly admitted to trolling?

lol, I considered saying, "it's so much fun to troll you", but I decided that was a bad idea. evidently it didn't matter. I can't help it, she just gets so flustered.

[Beautiful sky]

lol, I considered saying, "it's so much fun to troll you", but I decided that was a bad idea. evidently it didn't matter. I can't help it, she just gets so flustered.

this is type related.

[Olduvai]

this is type related.

you think so?

[Beautiful sky]

I'll think on that later. I gotta think about this one thing now. what was I going to do? Oh yeah....so I noticed something that struck a "oh wow" moment. LSE love to tell people to do "go do x, y, z" I've often said that in duality the dual pair will sometimes think or do what the other pair wanted when they are open and receptive of the other in a loving way. I took my bf's mom flowers and the following week I walked in and grabbed them to refresh them. i placed them back and my bf walked in the living room and said "why don't you put water in the flowers?" I said, "I have already honey." He looked at them and we had this moment of silence like "wow, it's done." I had already done that. It was that moment. Like wow How did I know that needed to be done and I just did it without thinking a second thought about it. And he asked about it. Strange moment. Another moment, when my dual cousin and I were taking my cousin who has cancer to the museum I locked the gate promptly after she pulled out of the drive way. My dual cousin got out of the car and said "close the gate" which I had already done. It's as if in my dual pair I just do the things that need to get done naturally so I'm kind of ahead of the demand curve of the LSE requests.

It's such a blank state to realize what needed to be done got done. It's done and there's this moment of "oh!" Silence. *well, what now?*

[Olduvai]

I'll think on that later.

cool, I look forward to hearing (reading?) what you have to say.

LSE love to tell people to do "go do x, y, z"

eh, I don't think that's type-related.

I've often said that in duality the dual pair will sometimes think or do what the other pair wanted when they are open and receptive of the other in a loving way.

yeah, it's like you unknowingly satisfy your dual's desires by just being yourself.

I took my bf's mom flowers and the following week I walked in and grabbed them to refresh them. i placed them back and my bf walked in the living room and said "why don't you put water in the flowers?" I said, "I have already honey." He looked at them and we had this moment of silence like "wow, it's done." I had already done that. It was that moment. Like wow How did I know that needed to be done and I just did it without thinking a second thought about it. And he asked about it. Strange moment.

I think a) you're reading too much into this, and b) such moments can also happen with non-dual pairs like activity partners, semi-duals, and especially benefit partners (because benefit partners match up in terms of positivism/negativism and process/result).

[blackburry]

Flower water.

[Words]

3 vs 1 you lost

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

We always say 'man up' or 'be a real man' but we don't say 'woman up' or 'be a real woman.' We have incredibly low expectations for girls, so we shouldn't get all pissed off when they don't succeed as well as men.

Next time I see a female being an asshole, I'm going to tell her to woman up lol.

[Creepy-male]

Next time I see a female being an asshole, I'm going to tell her to woman up lol.

I thought that was being a "real woman" o_0

[Beautiful sky]

We always say 'man up' or 'be a real man' but we don't say 'woman up' or 'be a real woman.' We have incredibly low expectations for girls, so we shouldn't get all pissed off when they don't succeed as well as men.

Next time I see a female being an asshole, I'm going to tell her to woman up lol.

Or rather you should throw her under the bus and ignore her instead of telling her to woman up....better yet tell her to move on because she will and she'll find a really nice guy nicer than the one before because God has bigger plans.

[Beautiful sky]

Fasting blood tests are typically 8 hours of NPO (save for water) not 12.

He sounds like you like him.

He said they say 8 but I should do 12