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    Ignoring the flow of nature is following no way. Resisting the flow of nature is following the low way. Going with the flow of nature is following the middle way. Focusing the flow of nature is following the high way.
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    I have forgiven the world for the love of you

    The Count of Monte Cristo, Alexandre Dumas [1844–46]

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    every other consideration fell away. Maybe it was this purposefulness which got him through the blood-letting alive, though bullets filled the air like flies. His very indifference was a kind of blessedness. What he failed to notice, failed in turn to notice him. Thus he went unscathed through the heart of the battle

    Clive Barker, Weaveworld [1987]

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    Two girls discover
    the secret of life
    in a sudden line of
    poetry.

    I who don’t know the
    secret wrote
    the line. They
    told me

    (through a third person)
    they had found it
    but not what it was
    not even

    what line it was. No doubt
    by now, more than a week
    later, they have forgotten
    the secret,

    the line, the name of
    the poem. I love them
    for finding what
    I can’t find,

    and for loving me
    for the line I wrote,
    and for forgetting it
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    a thousand times, till death
    finds them, they may
    discover it again, in other
    lines

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    happenings. And for
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    for

    discovering there is
    such a secret, yes,
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    Someday I would understand why we have to cut them up like that instead of just making them sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    Someday I would understand why we have to cut them up like that instead of just making them sentences.
    Poetry is the bridge between thought and feelings, between thinking and emotion. Breaking up logical sentences like that disrupts the juggernaut of linear thought and allows the flow of emotions to have a central role.

    The human mechanism which is responsible for switching from one function, say "thinking", to another, like "feeling", when logic doesn't work is the same mechanism that is responsible for an un-Dualized person to start resembling an inept version of their Dual.

    When life throws things at you which your two dominant functions can't handle, and places you in crisis, your weaker functions take over and try to salvage what they can. These weaker functions are your Dual's stronger functions, so you can appear to act like your own Dual. However, your weaker functions are still weak, and so you can't perform as well as your Dual would in that situation.

    This is the reasoning behind the assertion that a Dual is the best match for us, and this becomes apparent most obviously when both you and your Dual are in crisis, because you can then each effortlessly fix your Dual's problems.

    Absent a life crisis, and your Dual seems to be a really different person, who incorporates every feature and characteristic that you rejected on your way to success in your own life, opting instead for the functions which make you the person whom you are.
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    Te:

    We’ll call this, This,
    and we’ll call that, That,
    and thereby,
    with this delineation,
    we’ll make the World
    sane.

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    Sometimes I tend to read fictional writings. Yesterday I spent an hour reading the Charter of Human Rights
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    “L'heure, c'est l'heure ; avant l'heure, c'est pas l'heure ; après l'heure, c'est plus l'heure.” - Jules Jouy

    “The time is the time; before the time, it's not the time; after the time, it's not the time anymore.” - Jules Jouy

    This is one of my favorite quote since as far as I remember. It's my personal motto !

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    “The time is the time; before the time, it's not the time; after the time, it's not the time anymore.” - Jules Jouy

    This is one of my favorite quote since as far as I remember. It's my personal motto !
    A better translation might read something like "Time is time. Before time, there is no time. After time, it's no longer time."

    I can't say I resonate or even really understand that quote. It's so vague, it's hard to assign it any context. Is it part of a larger poem or prose?

    [Edit] The only way in which I can make some sense of it in my head is in the context of timing, as in you should do something when it is time to do it. Before that, it makes no sense to do it. After that, the timing is no longer right (as in you've missed the boat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    A better translation might read something like "Time is time. Before time, there is no time. After time, it's no longer time."

    I can't say I resonate or even really understand that quote. It's so vague, it's hard to assign it any context. Is it part of a larger poem or prose?

    [Edit] The only way in which I can make some sense of it in my head is in the context of timing, as in you should do something when it is time to do it. Before that, it makes no sense to do it. After that, the timing is no longer right (as in you've missed the boat).
    Yes, it's essentially a variation on the theme "Time doesn't wait". The idea that one has to be punctual, to respect time as an abstract notion in general but more specifically other people's time because (life-)time is the most valuable currency people have, it is always running you can't have it back so it has to be spend wisely.

    One could also see it as "being in the right place at the right time" where the notion of 'rightness' is determined by events that are happening or will happen. It's the idea that sometimes history makes rendez-vous with us in a "place to be" whether it is to enjoy the spectacle of cosmological phenomena, cultural events or great changes that marks the beginning of a brightest future for mankind...

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    @Adam Strange reading this reminded me of you::

    «physicists at the University of Rochester and the University of Kansas have found evidence that changes the long-held belief that space is the same in all directions. Researcher John Ralston reported that "There seems to be an absolute axis, a kind of cosmological North Star that orients
    the universe". This work is published in the April 21, 1997, issue of Physical Review Letters. They have also discovered that light travels differently along this axis than anywhere else. There are now two known different speeds of light!»

    Any take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche buenanoche View Post
    @Adam Strange reading this reminded me of you::

    «physicists at the University of Rochester and the University of Kansas have found evidence that changes the long-held belief that space is the same in all directions. Researcher John Ralston reported that "There seems to be an absolute axis, a kind of cosmological North Star that orients
    the universe". This work is published in the April 21, 1997, issue of Physical Review Letters. They have also discovered that light travels differently along this axis than anywhere else. There are now two known different speeds of light!»

    Any take?
    Kali, this would be big news if true. But the paper was published almost 27 years ago, and I haven't heard any follow-up about space being asymmetric.

    It is quite likely that the researchers got some measurements wrong. There is a lot of pressure to publish new theories before they are thoroughly tested, because whoever publishes first, gets the credit, even if their findings are based on garbage data.

    I'm going to assume that's what happened here, but I could be wrong.

    The only asymmetry in the Universe that I know of is something called the Great Attractor, which is a bunch of mass off in one direction. If you think of space as a rubber sheet which is deformed by massive stars into local gravity wells, then galaxies form huge valleys, and a gigantic amount of mass off to one side would make the part of the Universe that is visible to us seem like the entire thing slopes down towards it, but you can bet that space rises back up to flatness on the other side of that great, attractive mass.

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    Orienting the universe ain't much, but it's honest work.

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    @Adam Strange What you said about Ni (running simulation is your head) is exactly how I used to conceptualized It ! However, I now think that the simulation parameters are determined by whether Ni is blocked with Te or Fe. It's as if the vision was copiloted with an expert of Te or Fe (along with an Ne expert the "Scotty" of the ship if you will) that would rectify any deviation from their respective field of expertise in order to make the vision possible.

    Here are some examples I noticed in myself.

    Once I ask myself what could go faster that the speed of light ? And I instantly automatically ran a simulation in my head and I saw the dilatation and expansion of the Universe with a beam of light inside going in all directions and adjacent to the spherical shape edges of the Universe. However, the light couldn't go beyond the limits or edges of the expansion zone, as if the light and this limit were racing each other. I then asked myself why that is ? And it came to me that light probably needed "space" to be able to run, in this case space would be the natural environment or field without which light can't run, just like a surfer needs water and waves to be able to perform, just like an electric dynamo need movement to produce a magnetic field, current and light. So I came to the conclusion that the expansion of the Universe is faster than the speed of light. All this happened when I was in a trance-like state.

    I evoked this idea about two years ago here and @C. Blue told me that it was not true but it was close to a certain theory (of which I forgot the name). What she said didn't convinced me that it was not true, but I was very happy to discover that the idea has been seriously examined and developed by people way way more intelligent that me (even if it took just about the time to think about it for the idea to come to me ! ).

    Now, to illustrate how Ni-Te vs Ni-Fe is important in terms of good Intuited simulations, and since the topic of the symmetry of the Universe as been briefly addressed, I'll give another example ; I have intuited a silly alternative to the Big-Bang. I call it the Big-Rip.

    Thinking about what could have happened before the Big-Bang is like a pilgrimage to Mecca, we should all think about it at least once in our life ! One night, I was thinking about that and I ran a simulation in my head that went back in time in which I visualised the universe shape shrinking back to the point of just before the big-bang (basically a Big-crunch simulation) i.e. nothingness. Now the picture in my head is just a black screen (this detail is very important !). Then I said to myself "At this point, what could make the universe expanded without any explosion ? As I was contemplating this black screen, I said to myself, “the whole universe is contained behind this screen”. And all of sudden I thought "What would happen if I made an incision in this screen with a knife ?"

    So I imagined an incision in the middle of the screen. I think at that moment the visual of the fluid mechanism took over and I saw the luminous universe deversing through this incision like a lava flow and very quickly the screen was submerged by matter to such an extent that it had disappeared. The I thought what about the creation of matter issue ? Was the friction primary matter (white lava in my mind) enough to create the heat needed for the chain reaction induced by the big bang theory ? And that was the dead end of my theory because I'm not a scientist (not Te expert !) lol. I'm just speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this ! I'm sure a lot of people had a similar idea way before I did but I haven't heard of it yet, even if I haven't tried to actively find that out.

    That said, as human beings, when you don't know something or reach the limit of our knowledge, intuition takes charge. The compulsion to understand and explain things is inscribed in the human condition. Indeed, when truth is unknowable, we have no choice but to either invent it or, God forbid, admit our ignorance !

    I often say that I don't like spoilers, and I really don't ! So when I ask myself or being asked something that I don't know but is somewhat unfalsifiable, I like to think about it and try to figure it out myself. Meanwhile, I feel like any suggestion (or actual answer) from such and such philosopher or scientific theory as a spoiler as long as I haven't finished my thinking process !! So I intuite a lot of stuff on my own. However, when I find out afterwards that what I have intuited is actually true or has been thought the same way by great thinkers (of course !) then it's a real self-esteem boost, It feels really satisfying like a great accomplishment !


    Sorry guys for tangeanting and the off-topic/thread.
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    Based on personal surveying, the most common story among humanity is a young man turning into a bull. In the Aarne-Thompson-Unther folklore index, it corresponds to ATU 425A "animal husband".

    Every culture has some story of a young man turning into a bull. Whether it's in Africa, Korea, or Europe, it's a known folklore spread throughout the Earth. In fact, it is even more common than the Flood myth, which is categorized under ATU 715 "the flood". In some of these stories, it is broken by a woman searching for her husband, in which case it is ATU 425 "the search for the lost husband". Other times, he just remains a bull and the story end there.

    Why is it so common? Who knows?
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    Oh, what sadness I’m feeling inside!
    Am I waiting for death’s solemn bell?
    And the one who is dancing tonight,
    She will surely end up in hell.
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    among the Untrodden Ways
    By William Wordsworth
    She dwelt among the untrodden ways

    Beside the springs of Dove,

    A Maid whom there were none to praise

    And very few to love:



    A violet by a mossy stone

    Half hidden from the eye!

    —Fair as a star, when only one

    Is shining in the sky.



    She lived unknown, and few could know

    When Lucy ceased to be;

    But she is in her grave, and, oh,

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    this quote.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    'Wait, for now.
    Distrust everything if you have to.
    But trust the hours. Haven’t they
    carried you everywhere, up to now?
    Personal events will become interesting again.
    Hair will become interesting.
    Pain will become interesting.
    Buds that open out of season will become interesting.
    Second-hand gloves will become lovely again;
    their memories are what give them
    the need for other hands. The desolation
    of lovers is the same: that enormous emptiness
    carved out of such tiny beings as we are
    asks to be filled; the need
    for the new love is faithfulness to the old.

    Wait.
    Don’t go too early.
    You’re tired. But everyone’s tired.
    But no one is tired enough.
    Only wait a little and listen:
    music of hair,
    music of pain,
    music of looms weaving our loves again.
    Be there to hear it, it will be the only time,
    most of all to hear your whole existence,
    rehearsed by the sorrows, play itself into total exhaustion.'


    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    "Suddenly night crushed out the day and hurled
    Her remnants over cloud-peaks, thunder-walled.
    Then fell a stillness such as harks appalled
    When far-gone dead return upon the world.

    There watched I for the Dead; but no ghost woke.
    Each one whom Life exiled I named and called.
    But they were all too far, or dumbed, or thralled,
    And never one fared back to me or spoke.

    Then peered the indefinite unshapen dawn
    With vacant gloaming, sad as half-lit minds,
    The weak-limned hour when sick men's sighs are drained.
    And while I wondered on their being withdrawn,
    Gagged by the smothering Wing which none unbinds,
    I dreaded even a heaven with doors so chained."

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Bertrand the dumbass really needs to stay away from Socionics. For his own good.
    Who are you referring to here? It had better not be lungs.

    She's given no indication that she's unintelligent. Sadly, I can't say the same for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    Who are you referring to here? It had better not be lungs.

    She's given no indication that she's unintelligent. Sadly, I can't say the same for you.
    i think they're trying to call me a dumbass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    i think they're trying to call me a dumbass
    LOL are you serious? Why? Hook me up with this drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    LOL are you serious? Why?
    that's more thought than I'm willing to give singularity

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    “A story was a form of telepathy. By means of inking symbols onto a page, she was able to send thoughts and feelings from her mind to her reader's. It was a magical process, so commonplace that no one stopped to wonder at it.”

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    'Observe, Chagatai, the protagonist of every work of fiction is Humanity, and the antagonist is God.'

    — Ada Palmer

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    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    "People get the experience they deserve."

    — Eckhart Tolle

    ...Well, that's what I would've said if I were Eckhart Tolle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespertine View Post
    Books for general reading always smell bad; the odor of common people hangs about them.

    — Friedrich Nietzsche

    Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal.
    I do not need to know any more about Nietzsche than I already do to know that he was cancer.


    Apart from his quote about hope and shit. That's one of my faves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespertine View Post
    Books for general reading always smell bad; the odor of common people hangs about them.

    — Friedrich Nietzsche

    Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal.

    — Leo Tolstoy

    [Tolstoy's War and Peace and Anna Karenina are] loose, baggy monsters.

    — Henry James

    Henry James writes fiction as if it were a painful duty.

    — Oscar Wilde


    Finished that for you.

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