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    “I can’t stand moral absolutism. You know, there’s always that guy who wants to point out that Martin Luther King cheated on his wife– as if he obviously couldn’t have been a great person if he did something like that. Or someone will bring out an inspirational quote, and get you to agree, and then inform you that ****** said it. As if a good thought couldn’t come from ******. Moral absolutism keeps us from learning from the past. It’s easy to say: ‘****** was a demon. Nazis were all bad seeds.’ That’s simple. It’s much harder to say: 'Is that humanity? Is that me?’”

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    Memories warm you up from the inside. But they also tear you apart.

    Haruki Murakami, Kafka on the Shore

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    It's a lesson I learned in drama school: the teacher asks, how do you be the queen? And everybody says, "Oh it's about posture and authority." And they said, no, it's about how the air in the room shifts when you walk in. And that's everyone else's work.

    it's by Meryl Streep, I believe

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    The tricky thing about mazes is that you don't know if you've chosen
    the right path until the very end. If it turns out you were wrong, it's
    usually too late to go back and start again. That's the problem with
    mazes.

    Haruki Murakami, The Strange Library

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    some poems by sharon olds on her birthday






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    Is nature a gigantic cat? If so, who strokes its back?~~~ Nikola Tesla

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    "I never saw a wild thing
    sorry for itself.
    A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
    without ever having felt sorry for itself."

    -- D.H. Lawrence, Self-Pity

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    I witness Dogs pout all the time. However, D.H. Lawrence's point is well taken, which is there's too much useless self-pity in the world

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    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    "I've become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live — if I'm able to, then perhaps I'll be closer to portraying a true expression of love."

    — Hayao Miyazaki

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    Listen, I meant to ask you this before.
    Okay, how can I put this?
    Can you do that Dizzy Gillespie thing with your cheeks?
    You know, where he goes all puffy-fish like?
    Being the champion tubaist-cocksucker you are reputed to be?
    Come one, Charlie. Go on. What?
    If that's not the most woeful bit of puffy-fishery I ever did see.

    Nigel, The Necessary Death of Charlie Countryman

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    “I fell in love with the idea that the mysterious thing you look for your whole life will eventually eat you alive. (Explaining her attraction to Moby-Dick)”

    ― Laurie Anderson

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    eat me

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    Nothing happened to me. I happened.

    Hannibal Lecter

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    The road your father and I walked together is soaked deeply with the blood of both friends and enemies.
    The war in which we fought is far from over. We live our lives in hiding. The galactic government considers us terrorists.
    It's unwise of me to share these details, but I've become inebriated. The guest list at this wedding includes 17 of the federation's most wanted.
    We have committed numerous atrocities in the name of freedom.. I should prepare for the ceremony.


    Birdperson, The Wedding Squanchers

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    Woe unto ye beetles of South America. ~ Charles Darwin

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    The Iliad

    (Book XVIII, lines 558 – 720)

    *
    And first Hephaestus makes a great and massive shield,
    blazoning well-wrought emblems all across its surface,
    raising a rim around it, glittering, triple-ply
    with a silver shield-strap run from edge to edge
    and five layers of metal to build the shield itself,
    and across its vast expanse with all his craft and cunning
    the god creates a world of gorgeous immortal work.

    There he made the earth and there the sky and the sea
    and the inexhaustible blazing sun and the moon rounding full
    and there the constellations, all that crown the heavens,
    the Pleiades and the Hyades, Orion in all his power too
    and the Great Bear that mankind also calls the Wagon:
    she wheels on her axis always fixed, watching Orion,
    and she alone is denied a plunge in the Ocean's baths.

    And he forged on the shield two noble cities filled
    with mortal men. With weddings and wedding feasts in one
    and under glowing torches they brought forth the brides
    from the women's chambers, marching through the streets
    while choir on choir the wedding song rose high
    and the young men came dancing, whirling round in rings
    and among them the flutes and harps kept up their stirring call —
    women rushed to the doors and each stood moved with wonder.
    And the people massed, streaming into the marketplace
    where a quarrel had broken out and two men struggled
    over the blood-price for a kinsman just murdered.
    One declaimed in public, vowing payment in full—
    the other spurned him, he would not take a thing—
    so both men pressed for a judge to cut the knot.

    The crowd cheered on both, they took both sides,
    but heralds held them back as the city elders sat
    on polished stone benches, forming the sacred circle,
    grasping in hand the staffs of clear-voiced heralds,
    and each leapt to his feet to plead the case in turn.
    Two bars of solid gold shone on the ground before them,
    a prize for the judge who'd speak the straightest verdict.

    But circling the other city camped a divided army
    gleaming in battle-gear, and two plans split their ranks:
    to plunder the city or share the riches with its people,
    hoards the handsome citadel stored within its depths.
    But the people were not surrendering, not at all.
    They armed for a raid, hoping to break the siege—
    loving wives and innocent children standing guard
    on the ramparts, flanked by elders bent with age
    as men marched out to war. Ares and Pallas led them,
    both burnished gold, gold the attire they donned, and great,
    magnificent in their armor—gods for all the world,
    looming up in their brilliance, towering over troops.
    And once they reached the perfect spot for attack,
    a watering place where all the herds collected,
    there they crouched, wrapped in glowing bronze.
    Detached from the ranks, two scouts took up their posts,
    the eyes of the army waiting to spot a convoy,
    the enemy's flocks and crook-horned cattle coming…
    Come they did, quickly, two shepherds behind them,
    playing their hearts out on their pipes—treachery
    never crossed their minds. But the soldiers saw them,
    rushed them, cut off at a stroke the herds of oxen
    and sleek sheep-flocks glistening silver-gray
    and killed the herdsmen too. Now the besiegers,
    soon as they heard the uproar burst from the cattle
    as they debated, huddled in council, mounted at once
    behind their racing teams, rode hard to the rescue,
    arrived at once, and lining up for assault
    both armies battled it out along the river banks—
    they raked each other with hurtling bronze-tipped spears:

    And Strife and Havoc plunged in the fight, and violent Death—
    now seizing a man alive with fresh wounds, now one unhurt,
    now hauling a dead man through the slaughter by the heels,
    the cloak on her back stained red with human blood.
    So they clashed and fought like living, breathing men
    grappling each other's corpses, dragging off the dead.

    And he forged a fallow field, broad rich plowland
    tilled for the third time, and across it crews of plowmen
    wheeled their teams, driving them up and back and soon
    as they'd reach the end-strip, moving into the turn,
    a man would run up quickly
    and hand them a cup of honeyed, mellow wine
    as the crews would turn back down along the furrows,
    pressing again to reach the end of the deep fallow field
    and the earth churned black behind them, like earth churning,
    solid gold as it was—that was the wonder of Hephaestus' work.

    And he forged a king's estate where harvesters labored,
    reaping the ripe grain, swinging their whetted scythes.
    Some stalks fell in line with the reapers, row on row,
    and others the sheaf-binders girded round with ropes,
    three binders standing over the sheaves, behind them
    boys gathering up the cut swaths, filling their arms,
    supplying grain to the binders, endless bundles.
    And there in the midst the king,
    scepter in hand at the head of the reaping-rows,
    stood tall in silence, rejoicing in his heart.
    And off to the side, beneath a spreading oak,
    the heralds were setting out the harvest feast,
    they were dressing a great ox they had slaughtered,
    while attendant women poured out barley, generous,
    glistening handfuls strewn for the reapers' midday meal.

    And he forged a thriving vineyard loaded with clusters,
    bunches of lustrous grapes in gold, ripening deep purple
    and climbing vines shot up on silver-vine poles.
    And round it he cut a ditch in dark blue enamel
    and round the ditch he staked a fence in tin.
    And one lone footpath led toward the vineyard
    and down it the pickers ran
    whenever they went to strip the grapes at vintage—
    girls and boys, their hearts leaping in innocence,
    bearing away the sweet ripe fruit in wicker baskets.
    And there among them a young boy plucked his lyre,
    so clear it could break the heart with longing,
    and what he sang was a dirge for the dying year,
    lovely… his fine voice rising and falling low
    as the rest followed, all together, frisking, singing,
    shouting, their dancing footsteps beating out the time.

    And he forged on the shield a herd of longhorn cattle,
    working the bulls in beaten gold and tin, lowing loud
    and rumbling out of the farmyard dung to pasture
    along a rippling stream, along the swaying reeds.
    And the golden drovers kept the herd in line,
    Four in all with nine dos at their heels
    their paws flickering quickly—a savage roar!—
    a crashing attack—and a pair of ramping lions
    had seized a bull from the cattle's front ranks—
    he bellowed out as they dragged him off in agony.
    Packs of dogs and the young herdsmen rushed to help
    but the lions ripping open the hide of the huge bull
    were gulping down the guts and the black pooling blood
    while the herdsmen yelled the fast pack on—no use.
    The hounds shrank from sinking teeth in the lions,
    they balked, hunching close, barking, cringing away.

    And the famous crippled Smith forged a meadow
    deep in a shaded glen for shimmering flocks to graze,
    with shepherds' steadings, well-roofed huts and sheepfolds.

    And the crippled Smith brought all his art to bear
    on a dancing circle, broad as the circle Daedalus
    once laid out on Cnossos' spacious fields
    for Ariadne the girl with lustrous hair.
    Here young boys and girls, beauties courted
    with costly gifts of oxen, danced and danced,
    linking their arms, gripping each other's wrists.
    And the girls wore robes of linen light and flowing,
    the boys wore finespun tunics rubbed with a gloss of oil,
    the girls were crowned with a bloom of fresh garlands,
    the boys swung golden daggers hung on silver belts.
    And now they would run in rings on their skilled feet,
    nimbly, quick as a crouching potter spins his wheel,
    palming it smoothly, giving it practice twirls
    to see it run, and now they would run in rows,
    in rows crisscrossing rows—rapturous dancing.
    A breathless crowd stood round them struck with joy
    and through them a pair of tumblers dashed and sprang,
    whirling in leaping handsprings, leading out the dance.

    And he forged the Ocean River's mighty power girdling
    round the outmost rim of the welded indestructible shield.
    And once the god had made that great and massive shield
    he made Achilles a breastplate brighter than gleaming fire,
    he made him a sturdy helmet to fit the fighter's temples,
    beautiful, burnished work, and raised its golden crest
    and made him greaves of flexing, pliant tin.

    Now,
    when the famous crippled Smith had finished off
    that grand array of armor, lifting it in his arms
    he laid it all at the feet of Achilles' mother Thetis—
    and down she flashed like a hawk from snowy Mount Olympus
    bearing the brilliant gear, the god of fire's gift.

    —Homer

    (translated by Robert Fagles)
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    A much happier Life to be an Admiral in England, than Czar in Russia. ~ Peter the Great

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    Love, the deadliest of all deadly things: It kills you both when you have it and when you don’t.

    — Lauren Oliver, Delirium

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    She wears strength and darkness equally well,
    the girl has always been half goddess, half hell.

    — Nikita Gill


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    Intimacy is the capacity to be rather weird with someone - and finding that that’s ok with them.
    — Alain de Botton

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    It was his belief in the correlation of parts that allowed Cuvier to reconstruct extinct species from their incomplete fossil remains and gave rise to the story of a student who burst into Cuvier's bedchamber in the middle of the night, dressed as Satan, exclaiming, “I am the devil, and I am going to eat you!” Cuvier quietly sneered, "Horns, cloven hooves, a tail: herbivore. You can't eat me."

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    "If you want to kill somebody, conquer his heart, then leave slowly and leave them between death and madness."

    Nizar Qabbani

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    Eros is an issue of boundaries. He exists because certain boundaries do. In the interval between reach and grasp, between glance and counterglance, between ‘I love you’ and ‘I love you too’, the absent presence of desire comes alive. But the boundaries of time and glance and I love you are only aftershocks of the main, inevitable boundary that creates Eros: the boundary of flesh and self between you and me. And it is only, suddenly, at the moment when I would dissolve that boundary, I realize I never can.
    —Anne Carson

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    that's a great quote and I think captures some sense of duality which is the pieces fitting together in such a way so as to come closer to merger than other relations. I also recently read this gulenko description of Si as being "maximum contact between surface area and support" which I thought was really interesting because its sort of goes to how I experience how clothes that fit well feel. Or like a thunder shirt or whatever. Anyway very Fi Si. possibly pure projection on my part. but Im imagining mishapen blocks fitting into one another and desire being the discomfort of a mismatch and the want of a better fit... the impossibility of a perfect fit goes further than duality rather its all on a spectrum where duals are defined as being as close as you can get, with the other types having varying levels of "comfort" that are suboptimal in comparison, but even as duals you can't blend fully and realize that desire which is the absence of pure merger at any given time and the felt distance and discomfort it creates. but I do think perhaps you can, or perhaps heaven in terms of a merger of all souls, or to be reunited with your love (whether it be a spouse or savior) is in some sense a metaphorical take on the same issue. to be one is the longing of all souls on some level but we describe it in many ways with many different interpretations of a paradisal state. in the end perhaps just being alive and being conscious is being conscious of the state of being less than merged i.e.: differentiated. it was the step out of eden which we long to return to, but its also precisely what constitutes life and experience itself and this is Fi in some sense the constant awareness of our differentiated aspects and the space between. sometimes I want to die and then I wonder what for? its like what am I trying to achieve and its like I don't really know, and then I think the merger is here on earth because you have to live to move toward it and maybe its not so much perfection that is the goal but the move toward it and then I think theres all this kind of stuff someone wants to hear but I rarely or never tell anyone it because I was raised to believe this way of thinking was unnacceptable and no one wants to hear it and then I think oh that's why I want to die, because I'm not allowed to move toward the goal and there's no point to any of this, and then I think everyone has their own version of that they need to overcome and its a real bitch but then you think maybe that's the transcendent aspect of being that unifies us all, which is to say we need to really believe life is worth living because the goal is possible at least inasmuch as movement toward it is possible and such a thing should be attempted, and the human tragedy is that we convince eachother its not under the auspices we're doing them a favor (like any parent that "teaches" their children to disown themselves--and teacher/student relations of this kind go way beyond parent/chld, although that is where people are most vulnerable, we teach eachother to "give in" all the time, and it really is a jungle in that sense, that needs to be civilized, and who will that exclude and thus kill directly or indirectly). in the end we all go through some kind of death or another so I guess the hope is for a resurrection whereby we can survive this process and come out better and not worse. I guess that's where faith comes in, or just straight hardheadedness. the will to live to overcome to die and to live again all seem intertwined and there are many interpretations of that struggle
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    I don't really read poetry, but this one I have remembered. It's an unusual poem, both strange and ordinary at the same time. It's in Swedish, but we might have some Swedish speakers here.



    Fågeln faller död från gren
    kall är månens båge.
    Kärven står på bondens gård
    med de gula axen.
    Ack om bara bondens gård
    lite närmare låge!
    Blodspår i snön. En hungrig räv
    har lämnat sina tassar i saxen.

    Kall månen lyser.

    Snötäckta vik,
    låna en flik
    av ditt täcke till den som fryser!





    - Barbro Mörne
    Vingar, skuggor, segel (1951)
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Bader was giving a talk during assembly at a posh girl's school, and was recounting one of the many dogfights in which he was shot down....

    "I had two fuckers to the left of me, two fuckers to the right, another two fuckers below, and one fucker coming in from the sun"

    At this point the headmistress interjected "I must inform you girls that there is a type of aircraft called a fokker spelled f-o-k-k-e-r"

    "I don't know about that", said Bader, "this lot were all flying Messerschmitts"
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    holy g.. stolen for beauty purposes~

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    "I hope you don’t want all my time, because the pleasure in my life comes from the knowledge that it’s mine."

    They're song lyrics. Resonated. Much beautiful.

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    Defense lawyer: “What about the three swabs from the RAV that were not tested by Mr. LeBeau? Can any conclusion be drawn on that?”

    Arvizu: “I’m an analytical chemist. I’m not in the business of just guessing what’s in samples. We have to test samples to decide what’s in them.”

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    It is a fire that consumes me, but I am the fire.

    Jorge Luis Borges, A New Refutation of Time

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    "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."

    Blade Runner



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    "The single story creates stereotypes, and the problem with stereotypes is not that they are untrue, but that they are incomplete. They make one story become the only story. I've always felt that it is impossible to engage properly with a place or a person without engaging with all of the stories of that place and that person. The consequence of the single story is this: it robs people of dignity. It makes our recognition of our equal humanity difficult. It emphasizes how we are different rather than how we are similar." — Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie [x]

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    "The old dogmas cannot learn new tricks."

    Dorothy Parker

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