The LSI-Ses I know are total atheists, but they liked hearing others rant about surreal things (e.g. Tarot readings done by ex gfs etc.). This doesn't mean they didn't criticize them...Originally Posted by maithili
The LSI-Ses I know are total atheists, but they liked hearing others rant about surreal things (e.g. Tarot readings done by ex gfs etc.). This doesn't mean they didn't criticize them...
I'm an LSI-Ti and I hate thinking about religion because 1) it's too confusing too much uncertainty, 2) there is no evidence, and 3) I don't want reminder that I could suffer after I die.
I think LSI-Se are more religious than LSI-Ti.
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LSI-Ti are more political and about their role function than LSI-Se and into actually winning, LSI-Ti are more competitive. LSI-Ti have less visually noticeable Ni hidden agenda because 1) they have much weaker and less consistent sensory perception and they're more auditory and much less visual (there are rather few exceptions). they often are limited to or distracted by social norms more than the LSI-Se. LSI-Ti also get stopped more often and lose support because they make their role function (e.g., likes and dislikes) more obvious (see [->] for more on that below), they have stronger preferences and they're not as shrewd at hiding them because they don't read body language as well.
LSI-Ti work more slowly and are more likely to preserve the existing regime or start a new one. LSI-Ti have less awareness of what their goals actually are and they fluctuate in them a bit more, their thinking and perception is much more muddled than LSI-Se. LSI-Ti is somewhat more about forcing their opinion (but it is not always coherent or beautiful, and is often far from it and more based upon emotions than what's actually true; the LSI-Ti depends on objective structure more from the outside world, partly due to greater need to be liked and partly due to lower creativity and weaker Alpha Ne and Alpha Si and stronger Alpha Ti thinking in general terms rather than specifics more, less quantitative, being less deductive and separation from them... LSI-Ti appear more aristocratic due to Ti being more about regularities and seeing things as less dividable; it's more convenient for them to think in regularities, they're more easily distracted, so they have more difficulty creating systems than from component parts than LSI-Se).
Examples of LSI-Se goals:
timothy mcveigh and the ok city bombing
joseph stalin and his dictatorship.
david duke without a goal really, it's obvious he's tactical and attention seeking more than power seeking; he's aware that he's already strong and smart enough without structure.
pat buchanan without serious goal really, it's obvious he's also tactical and attention seeking and wanted to debate more (LSI-Se enjoy debating more than LSI-Ti do).
fred phelps, i question whether he really hated them, he was kind of attention seeking.
Examples of LSI-Ti who had well-known goals:
Hillary Clinton
Eamon De Valera
[->]Robert Mugabe
Mike Pence
Michael Jordan
Vladimir Putin
Inspector Javert
[->]PW Botha
[->] James P. Wickstrom
[->] Judge Claude Frollo from the 1996 Disney movie
[->] Dick Cheney
[->] Michelle Bachmann
[-> from above about role function] Those men and Michelle Bachmann were totally subjective and hated or loved people, their actions were more based upon their emotions than reflection and facts/logic and James P. Wickstrom was exceptionally inarticulate.
Ti subtype is rarely So-last and somewhat less attention seeking and more based on normal communication styles when they're working with people, although I am an So-last LSI-Ti, attention seeking (before I was even aware of it, Fe was totally unconscious for me and very fickle up until I was younger, Si seemed more conscious for me and although Vera Stratiyevskaya's ISTj description article describes more outgoing western LSI-Se better than LSI-Ti, how she described Si and pleasure and pain willingness to give pain or attempt to give pleasure for pain i later thought was bad, felt sorry for, was inseparable from my moods; it often came out totally instinctually through physical aggression or satisfaction, sexual or otherwise, some ILE-Ti and SLE-Ti lose control like that too; it's more common in LSI-Se than LSI-Ti though.. in comparison to ILE and LSI especially LSI, she makes ESI sound way more cerebral and restrained and less driven about what they want than they actually are when it comes to Si though; she's really not very trusting of LSI's intellect from all that she wrote about them, she makes them sound almost as instinctive and emotional as she makes them sound logical, which is kind of true for the Ti subtype, but she kind of did a disservice by not mentioning that LSI and ESI vary way more from one another more than say ILE-Ti do from each other... with LSI and ESI, other systems are definitely useful both for themselves and for others to understand them... you really need as many as possible to paint an accurate picture of an LSI and ESI.. one reason is Ij sensors, especially with strong E4 and E5 traits like I have, care about and study styles, use their will and observing just about everywhere to do something different and elegant more than all other types), and I've usually tried to make my own communication style, as Mike Pence polished his own communication style. Hillary Clinton was a narcissistic, unobservant E3 and quite satisfied with her own awful sounds and looks, so she came across, at least to me, as totally unoriginal and unable to research for herself or look where everyone else wasn't. I think that has a lot to do with why she gets mistyped as LSE. As for doctor Phil, I don't understand how anyone could mistype him as LSE, he's a blatant LSI-Ti.
To summarize why Ni Hidden Agenda is less observable in Ti subtype: Ti subtype is more emotional, learns much more slowly, processes much less of their surroundings and more slowly, has more memory problems, are worse at analysis (they have to acquire knowledge more), are rougher looking and sounding (voices and choice of words), slower to understand, and more reactive to perceived insults, so people are less likely to want to answer their questions or help them out, and so compared to the Se subtype they get a later start of doing anything that's highly visible unless they're born into a system that they'll rise to the top of. That's why Ni Hidden Agenda is less visually observable in them.
Last edited by Disturbed; 12-08-2021 at 02:49 AM.
I'm sorry, but I'm psychologically disturbed.
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