Caroline Ellison
Simple MBTI
Evelien (Personality Trainer)
Melanie (Personality Trainer)
Caroline Ellison
Simple MBTI
Evelien (Personality Trainer)
Melanie (Personality Trainer)
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I came out as a 9w1 sp/sx/so on an enneagram test. The description fits somewhat, I'm not really the type to go out looking for confrontations and fights. I just like to be chill, think about random things, not have to put up with cocky people who think everything in life must be a competition. For all of the people here who think 9s are lonely cowards, etc., you're just projecting your own shadow. Being a 9 doesn't mean you have an inability to stand up for yourself, just that you'd prefer a harmonious environment over one of competition and strife.
being lonely and/or a coward isn't something often attributed to E9, at least not that i've noticed. really loneliness and cowardice go beyond enneatypes. the type most concerned with cowardice though might be a 6, or a fear type. this wouldn't mean these types actually *are* cowardly, but are simply more concerned with it.Originally Posted by uncivilized
i actually do struggle with standing up for myself and i can associate this to E9, because this type is out of touch with its "instinctive center" and it misapplies anger. i generally freeze up in conflict situations or potentially violent/dangerous situations. once i get past my freeze, i start thinking about the best way to get out of it. an emotion like anger doesn't seem to arise in this process (it's more i have to get over fear so i can start thinking and i can't seem to control how long i'm frozen). anger is delayed, and only after will i feel really pissed off (when it's too late to use my anger). basically i don't know how to channel anger effectively, and it always shows up at the wrong time. it's probably for the best though, because if i get really mad i might not be able to control it well, anyway.
richard parker is "myself" but through loving myself i can love all others.
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Albert Enstein - 9w1 (so/sp Alpha)
David Blaine - 9w8 sp/sx
Doris Kearns Goodwin - 9w1 sp/so
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I'm not sure I understand this thread but I have a question.
I'm inclined to identify most with 9 but I have read conflicting information about their core fear and motivations.
Ichazo and Naranjo's descriptions seem to focus on an existential emptiness that results in "indolence" and self-disinterest. A negation of volition that results in detachment from the physical world. Identity becomes No Thing and the self is too lost to care.
Maitri and Riso seem to suggest that 9 is motivated by to seek harmony and security, typically through compressing themselves in order facilitate attachment to others. This is typically defined by the desire to see it remedied via merging.
If my understanding is correct, which position do you give more weight to and why?
Both aspects are connected with each other.
The 9 achieves a level of (superficial) peace/harmony with their environment due to their lack of "sense of self".
Technically, the Social subtype of 9 is the most fitted to Riso's description of 9s seeking harmony and whatnot. The merging aspect fits best to the Sexual 9, who desires close merging with a partner.
Type 9 is ultimately "selfless", and hence (IMO) the most altruistic type in the Enneagram. Not saying all 9s will be saints, but the "self-forgetting" nature of 9 is unrivaled by the other types.
Type 2 may seem self-sacrificing as well, but their motivations are pride based, not so with 9.
Due to this "self-forgetting", the 9 can be very unaware of their own needs or "true" nature. In their everyday life, they not only have forgotten their psychological needs, but they also forget to think about this "loss". There are other things more important to them.
For the Social 9, it is more important to be pleasant in their interactions with others and create harmony, for the Sexual 9 it is more important to reach blissful merging with another partner (doing so they usually take on the needs of their partner and try to fulfill them exactly), for the Self-preservation 9 it is more important to fulfill their immediate needs like food and drink, and care for their security and well-being.
Because of this "self-forgetting", many 9s may see themselves as being like what other people tell them they are (usually the case for Social 9s), or what their loved ones say they are (usually the case for Sexual 9), etc.
This is why it is so common for 9s to mistype themselves. IME, many 9s mistype as 3s. Their growth point is more enticing and admirable to society and/or their own ideals, so they identify more closely with 3 often times. Or they mistype as 6 when they feel more anxious. At last, some Sexual 9s can mistype as 4, because both can have similarly intense emotions.
Thank you, the explanation of the instinctual influences clarified a lot for me.
"Being an Indigo Child - Ultra Spiritual Life episode" AwakenWithJP
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Tripswitch - Roll Your Own
David Fauvre said that e9 is the womb/tomb experience. 9 is the actual beginning of the enneagram, not 1. 9 is on top of the circle, its starting point and closure. 9 is the baby and the corpse, or the reincarnating soul. In between, there are the stages of life. Albeit heavily gendered (terms could be used interchangeably), his analogy does have a point - it goes like this:
1 - adopting paternal morals: right & wrong
2 - adopting maternal protection: care & love
3 - a son's ambition in puberty, wanting to be of worth
4 - a daughter's differentiation in puberty, wanting to be unique
5 - becoming the observer of a peer group
6 - blending in
7 - becoming a paragon of the group
8 - revolt & independence, adulthood.
That is so beautiful.
An interesting thing that I noticed: Many Gurus have a 6 in either their main- or triype. 6 integrates 9. And 9 is basically a ticket to nirvana when you reach enlightenment before actually dying. Meanwhile, the Dalai Lama as a 9 was already a perfect teacher. His task is the 3 integration (career, being in the public eye, being productive), which he seems to succeed in.
9w8
GiGi D'Agostino is likely syn-chain e9.
Gigi a 9? How so?
I'd say a 7w8.
"Lets suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream, and you would naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure, you see, and after several nights you would say, well that was pretty great, but now lets have a surprise, lets have a dream which isn't under control. Well something is going to happen to me that i don't know what it's gonna be. Then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream, and finally you would dream where you are now.
If you awaken from this illusion and you understand black implies white, self implies other, life implies death, you can feel yourself, not as a stranger in the world, not as something here on probation, not as something that has arrived here by fluke, but you can begin to feel your own existence as absolutely fundamental. What you are basically deep deep down far far in is simply the fabric and structure of existence itself"
Nujabes 9 spsx
a ton of musicians are 9s
love 9s, they calm me
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Looks too weird and unsettling for a boring af "positive outlook" type. I would put it in E5. I don't even see merging represented here so much as splitting so maybe E6 or one of the image types would work as well.
I was getting at multiple personality disorder which is likely when a 9 is very unhealthy.
Level 9: They finally become severely disoriented and catatonic, abandoning themselves, turning into shattered shells. Multiple personalities possible. Generally corresponds to the Schizoid and Dependent personality disorders.
@Ghost OK. I also thought schizoid personality disorder was unhealthy 4-5-1. 4-6-9 tends to correlate with dependent but it doesn't have to be 9 first from what I've seen. I haven't actually found any correlations between E9 (or any other center) and multiple personalities but I don't have statistics or any sort of supposed internal dynamic on that so no point arguing that one. Withdrawn types do tend to dissociate more, which is the mechanism for that (as well as secondary psychopathy and a lot of other quite different looking things) so probably any of 4, 5, or 9 could do that easy. What I would really associate with E9 regardless of any other factors is avoidance or at least shyness. 4-5-9 tends to be pretty strongly avoidant at low health levels at least, but in that case, again, the 9 doesn't have to be first.
9w1 > 9w8
'Nomad' series by Kitra Cahana - 9w8 sp/sx (Delta)
https://kitracahana.com/nomadic-war-machine/
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this type 9 has had enough
The lead vocalist of Five Finger Death Punch - Ivan Moody - is likely syn-flow SxE 9w1, leaning towards ESFp.
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