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    Sure I'd like to understand it all. Knowledge is power, understanding is peace.
    Alright @Kore, let me know what do you think are the most salient points that are E4 about you, E5 about you, and what makes you think certain things about one fit more than the other? Perhaps the other types you're considering. Basically include writing about you that you're comfortable sharing.

    Personally I just get an intuitive undercurrent of image triad from you but am not attached to it being right or anything; I'm more interested in just exploring for the sake of it. And for what it's worth I'm familiar with many, many ideas of what E4 is like, not just that Naranjo quote, and I can perfectly imagine E4 (and E3) turning out to be quite intellectual - their drive with respect to such matters strikes as different from E567's psychology though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    Alright @Kore, let me know what do you think are the most salient points that are E4 about you, E5 about you, and what makes you think certain things about one fit more than the other? Perhaps the other types you're considering. Basically include writing about you that you're comfortable sharing.

    Personally I just get an intuitive undercurrent of image triad from you but am not attached to it being right or anything; I'm more interested in just exploring for the sake of it. And for what it's worth I'm familiar with many, many ideas of what E4 is like, not just that Naranjo quote, and I can perfectly imagine E4 (and E3) turning out to be quite intellectual - their drive with respect to such matters strikes as different from E567's psychology though.
    I realise that I am not comfortable with sharing. I actually reveal without revealing..

    I am an extremely private person. Pulling back is something people have to deal with. Blame the natural secretiveness.
    I am not sticky at all and do not open up for granted, and sometimes just never.
    I am extremely respectful of people’s privacy and am always rather tiptoeing than breaking in.
    I observe more than I act as much as I don’t compare myself to anybody else, be it women or men.

    I measure myself with and to nobody. I just mostly listen to my heart and sometimes analyse the external feedback I get.
    If it's a 4 thing to be unique, then yes, I am one. I consider myself a free spirit, being somebody above conventions and rules.
    It’s merely having an independent set of mind. And no need to be a feminazi which I am absolutely not.
    It’s being an independent thinker at all times, and skip anyone who attempts to define myself in a limiting way.
    So as I said before, I won't bang my head against the wall obsessing over someone else's opinion - be it a man or anyone else in my life.
    I won't drop everything to fit the expectations. I won't stand imposing what and how I should do.
    I do not bother anybody with my beliefs or with my life style.
    Live and let live. If do not like, go throw yourself into a lake.

    I am the most logical feeling person or the most feeling logical one.
    I do not know whether it has to do with 4 or 5.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I realise that I am not comfortable with sharing. I actually reveal without revealing..

    I am an extremely private person. Pulling back is something people have to deal with. Blame the natural secretiveness.
    I am not sticky at all and do not open up for granted, and sometimes just never.
    I am extremely respectful of people’s privacy and am always rather tiptoeing than breaking in.
    I observe more than I act as much as I don’t compare myself to anybody else, be it women or men.

    I measure myself with and to nobody. I just mostly listen to my heart and sometimes analyse the external feedback I get.
    If it's a 4 thing to be unique, then yes, I am one. I consider myself a free spirit, being somebody above conventions and rules.
    It’s merely having an independent set of mind. And no need to be a feminazi which I am absolutely not.
    It’s being an independent thinker at all times, and skip anyone who attempts to define myself in a limiting way.
    So as I said before, I won't bang my head against the wall obsessing over someone else's opinion - be it a man or anyone else in my life.
    I won't drop everything to fit the expectations. I won't stand imposing what and how I should do.
    I do not bother anybody with my beliefs or with my life style.
    Live and let live. If do not like, go throw yourself into a lake.

    I am the most logical feeling person or the most feeling logical one.
    I do not know whether it has to do with 4 or 5.
    my sense is that, if you don't compare yourself to others, you might not be a four. even if sp-first (although I can't confirm this.)

    the envy is immense, painful, sometimes energizing, and almost always present

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontrees View Post
    my sense is that, if you don't compare yourself to others, you might not be a four. even if sp-first (although I can't confirm this.)

    the envy is immense, painful, sometimes energizing, and almost always present
    I learnt to go over envy and shame, cutting it out with a sharp knife till I grew insensitive to a lot of things.
    My soul was bleeding over and over, and now am nothing as I was younger, I drink souls myself.
    For the rest, it's too private to explain here, I would feel as if I was naked in the middle of a crowd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kore View Post
    I learnt to go over envy and shame, cutting it out with a sharp knife till I grew insensitive to a lot of things.
    My soul was bleeding over and over, and now am nothing as I was younger, I drink souls myself.
    For the rest, it's too private to explain here, I would feel as if I was naked in the middle of a crowd.
    that sounds nice. i wanna learn how to drink souls myself as well

    fwiw i never let go of E1 for you. b/c you seem fourish but not self-conscious enough, in a way that i can't just attribute to stackings. you own you in a way that fours often don't completely although they would like to. you're more vocal. you don't image-bend. but who knows.

    edit: but now i am thinking 5/8....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontrees View Post
    that sounds nice. i wanna learn how to drink souls myself as well

    fwiw i never let go of E1 for you.
    I would rather say that it sounds sinister

    I thought I was 1 to some point.. As much as a lot of other options


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    E4 sp/sx amirite?

    I don't know shit about tritype yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontrees View Post
    my sense is that, if you don't compare yourself to others, you might not be a four. even if sp-first (although I can't confirm this.)

    the envy is immense, painful, sometimes energizing, and almost always present
    I think that sort of envy is more associated with Social 4. Sx-4 is counter-envy for example, while I'm not sure what Sp-4 is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suedehead View Post
    I think that sort of envy is more associated with Social 4. Sx-4 is counter-envy for example, while I'm not sure what Sp-4 is.

    The Self-Preservation Four: “Tenacity” (Countertype)

    The Self-Preservation Four is the countertype of the Four subtypes, and so it may be difficult to identify this person as a Four. Although this Four experiences envy like the other Fours, they communicate their envy and suffering to others less than the other two Four subtypes do. Instead of talking about their suffering, these Fours are“long-suffering” in the sense of learning to endure pain without wincing. These Fours are more stoic and strong in the face of their pain.

    Envy is less apparent in the Self-Preservation Four because instead of dwelling in and expressing envy, this Four works hard to get what others have that he or she lacks. Instead of hanging out in their longing in a way that prevents them from taking action, they strive to get “those distant things” that give them the feeling of being able to obtain that which was lost. Whatever they get, however, never feels like enough.

    Self-Preservation Fours do not communicate sensitivity, suffering, shame, or envy, though they may feel all these things and they have the same depth and capacity for feeling as the other Fours. They learn to swallow a lot without complaining. Endurance is a virtue for them, and they hope their self-sacrifices will be recognized and appreciated, though they don’t talk about them very much.

    Like the other Fours, Self-Preservation Fours feel a need to suffer in the unconscious hope that this will bring them love and acceptance; but unlike the other two, they suffer in silence. Their willingness to suffer without complaint is their way of seeking redemption and earning love. Thus, this Four makes a virtue of toughing out difficulties without talking about them, hoping that others will see this, admire them for it, and help them to meet their needs. Instead of displaying the need to suffer, they have a tendency to deny their envy and bear too much suffering and frustration as a result.

    As Naranjo explains, the other two Four subtypes are too sensitive to frustration. They either suffer too much or they make you suffer too much (as a compensation for their suffering). The Self-Preservation subtype is the countertype Four because they go to the other extreme, developing a high capacity to internalize and bear frustration. They make a virtue of resistance to frustration.

    Self-Preservation Fours demand a lot of themselves. They have a strong need to endure, so they develop an ability to do without. They put themselves in situations that are tough. They test and challenge themselves. One of my clients with this subtype says that she “throws herself into the fire.” These Fours have a passion for effort—they engage in intense activity, and may often appear strained and tense. They may experience distress if their activity level slows down, and they can be compulsive about making efforts to achieve what they need to survive, even if their efforts don’t take them anywhere. In some cases, they may not know how to live without the stress and pressure they put on themselves. They don’t allow themselves the experience of living in or from their fragility.

    Just as the (countertype) Self-Preservation Three wants to be seen as successful but displays humility about the work they do because they believe outward displays of vanity make them less worthy of respect, Self-Preservation Fours internalize their suffering and strive to get what they want in a more autonomous way than the other Four subtypes.

    This Four tends to be a humanitarian with an empathic and nurturing disposition, someone who protests for the sake of others and is sensitive to the needy, the dispossessed, and victims of injustice. This is their way of projecting their pain outward, addressing it through others’ suffering instead talking about their own. They try to take care of others’ pain or work to ease the “suffering of the world” so they don’t have to fully deal with their own suffering.

    While the other two Four subtypes can be dramatic, the Self-Preservation Four is more masochistic than melodramatic. For this subtype, masochism is the ego or personality’s strategy for getting love. Self-Preservation Fours devalue themselves in important ways, which can make it even tougher for them to do all the work they do to try to get the security and the love that they long for. Their attachment to enduring can be seen from the outside as masochistic, but it stems from a desire to earn love and acceptance through being strong and resilient. The motivation of this subtype stems from a desire for the parent to see that the child is not complaining, and instead is being a good boy or girl through not asking for very much.

    These Fours may also masochistically enact a need to prove themselves by working against themselves: they make efforts to get what they need and want, but unconsciously work against themselves at the same time. They can be impulsive, but they will control and inhibit their impulses to get recognition. They may want to be happy, but they experience an unconscious taboo around happiness. They spend a lot of energy on being afraid of what’s happening instead of dealing with problems and making improvements, so they habitually postpone actions necessary to achieving what they want and then blame themselves for doing so. They wear themselves out seeking and striving in ways and places where they know they’ll fail, which ensures the perpetuation of a cycle of effort and devaluation. They may be ambitious, but they deny and work against their own ambitions.

    Formerly called “Reckless/Dauntless,” but more recently referred to by the name “Tenacity,” these Fours move toward activities that require a large capacity for endurance as a way to earn love, without regard for the pain or the danger they may entail.


    This Four subtype resembles a One or a Three. Self-Preservation Fours’ focus on autonomy, self-sufficiency, and working hard may make them look like a One; however, this Four feels a wider range of emotions—more ups and downs—than Ones, even if they don’t always express their feelings. Self-Preservation Fours can also look like Threes, especially Self-Preservation Threes, in that they work hard to achieve a sense of security and may be anxious; however, in contrast to Threes, these Fours will often work at cross-purposes, unintentionally thwarting their own efforts, whereas Threes tend to achieve what they are working toward. Fours also feel their emotions more than Threes do.


    Interestingly, this subtype can also look like a Type Seven, which in some ways is the opposite of Type Four, because some Self-Preservation Fours express a need to be light. With all the enduring and efforting these Fours do, they may at times display the high energy characteristic of Sevens, and they may also have a need for fun and playfulness as an escape from having to tough things out all the time. This may account for the fact that there are some Fours who do not seem as melancholy as others—Fours that appear more “sunny” and lighthearted. However, these Fours can be distinguished from Sevens in their greater access to their emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suedehead View Post
    I think that sort of envy is more associated with Social 4. Sx-4 is counter-envy for example, while I'm not sure what Sp-4 is.
    That's true although I sort of agree more with @lemontrees. 4's issue is envy anyways. While social 4 may be more emo than the other 4s in how they compare themselves with people, sx 4s still seem just as envious. The envy is different though in that it's more hateful and, in a sense, sort of like rejecting their inferiority- something the social 4 admits, even seeming to take pleasure in masochistically especially the attention it brings them. Sx 4 seems to be trying to be better than and putting people under themselves even when they envy them. I chatted with both a social 4 and sexual 4 closely and in group and the sx 4 would hate so many people or things. If I ever brought up her hatred for it, she sometimes admits why and it always goes to envy.

    Ooh, I want to link this as it sort of shows what I mean. For the scene, start at 3:16 and stop maybe at 4:22.


    Basically, dude keeps asking girls out and gets rejected. The last person who rejected him tells him that she has a crush on 'Oda-kun from the basketball team'. In that scene he says, "Oda-kun from the basketball team is nothing. That bastard must be just some boring guy. I hate the basketball team. It's spring on the outside... but my heart is in the middle of winter."

    I think he's a good example of a sexual 4 too, throughout the anime. The series is pretty good and classic too (I prefer the manga).

    Anyways yeah, with them it often seems like they will hate or have hateful feelings towards what prevents them from having what they want or from what may make them feel lacking so they may magnetize the other's lesser traits to make themselves feel better than them, compete for it with a sense of entitlement for having suffered so or, as you said, be counterenvious, feeling as if having something is beneath them and rejecting it, compensating this perception of deficiency by having 'taste', being picky (social 4 may be more critical though) or misunderstood genius arrogance. I agree that they can seem counter-envious though.

    I notice my 4 friends compare themselves with me TOO much even if sexual. Like it may not even be about them when I'm talking about something but they may bring up how lucky I am or how they differ from me and are more acutely aware of the ways we're different. The way they bring it up even gives the impression that they're hyper attuned to it.

    Sp 4s are less obvious to me even though I met one claiming to be one so idk and am not as confident using him as an example of sp 4 (I am sure of at least one real life representative of social 4 and sexual 4). They are said to be more stoic though, instead of sad or angry but then there's apparently a dauntlessness to them. This was actually the first person I met from typology forums, he mistyped as a 1 due to perfectionism and such and had the anxiety that made me (and a few others) think 6 was possible upon meeting him. We read somewhere that this was a product of sp 4 (particularly the sp/so 4) and it makes sense as SP-firsts are the most concerned with security. In his house, he had fancy useless trinkets and I may have read somewhere that Sp 4s may like to decorate their home or have possessions that make them feel elite or aristocratic? idk. Never seen someone drive like such a maniac as him though, maybe that's where his dauntlessness comes in, haha.

    Idk enough about @Kore and I don't pay much attention to this forum or chatbox so idk. If I had to guess, Sp/Sx though, at least that aura about her. 9 wouldn't have been my first guess though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olly From Wally World View Post
    Sx 4 seems to be trying to be better than and putting people under themselves even when they envy them. I chatted with both a social 4 and sexual 4 closely and in group and the sx 4 would hate so many people or things. If I ever brought up her hatred for it, she sometimes admits why and it always goes to envy.


     


    The Sexual Four: “Competition”
    In the Sexual Four subtype, the inner motivation is envy, and its manifestation as competition. These Fours don’t feel consciously envious so much as they feel competitive as a way of muting the pain associated with envy. If they can compete against another person they perceive as having more than they do and win, they can feel better about themselves.

    Sexual Fours believe it’s good to be the best. Most people want to present a good image to others, but Sexual Fours don’t care very much about image management or being liked. For them, it’s better to be superior. They are highly competitive, and their intense focus on competition takes the form of actively striving to show that they are the best.

    People with this subtype tend to have an “all or nothing” belief related to success: if success is not all theirs, they are left with nothing. This pattern leads to excesses related to their efforts to achieve success, and it also generates feelings of hate.

    Sexual Fours are usually arrogant, despite having an underlying sense of inferiority. In the face of the pain of feeling misunderstood, an arrogant attitude is adopted as overcompensation—a means of being recognized. These Fours like to be part of “chosen” group, and they can be very elitist. They may refuse to feel indebted to anyone, and they may have the sense that they have the exclusive right to feel offended by the lack of consideration of others. Any criticism or reproach is seen as an affront or disqualification.

    Envious anger dominates the expression of this subtype’s unconscious instinctual impulses. Sexual Fours’ deeper instinctual motivation is about a refusal to suffer the pain brought about by envy, and a need to reduce suffering by projecting the responsibility for meeting their needs onto others and minimizing others’ accomplishments in comparison with their own.

    Sexual Fours “make others suffer” because they feel that they have been made to suffer and so need some sort of compensation. They may seek to hurt or punish others as an unconscious way of repudiating or minimizing their own pain. Naranjo observes that this tendency of this Four can be summed up by the phrase, “Hurt people hurt people.” Externalizing pain helps them ease their inner sense of inferiority. Their relationship to suffering can thus best be understood as a refusal to suffer. This gets expressed as an active insistence on their needs being validated and met. (They want with anger.) More shameless than shameful, Sexual Fours are vocal about expressing their needs; they rebel against any shame connected to their desires. This subtype follows the life philosophy that “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.”

    When others experience Sexual Fours as demanding, this can lead to a pattern of rejection and anger: Sexual Fours get mad when others don’t meet their needs, but their demanding nature causes people to avoid or reject them, and then they get angry about being rejected. This type can thus get trapped in a vicious cycle when rejection leads to protest and protest leads to rejection.

    The Sexual Four is more assertive and angrier than the other subtypes. Naranjo refers to this Four as the “mad Four” as opposed to the “sad” (Social) Four. These Fours can be very outspoken with their anger because expression of anger is their way of defending against painful feelings. When they unconsciously turn their pain into anger, they don’t have to feel their pain anymore.

    These Fours may even seek to hurt or punish others as a way of repudiating or minimizing their underlying pain. They feel justified in pointing to others as the source of their own deprivation or frustration, which serves as both a distraction from their own role in their suffering and a plea for help and understanding.

    Naranjo says that this Four subtype can be the angriest personality among the Enneagram types. They may express envious anger as a way to establish or assert power when they feel inferior at a deeper level, which can be a way to manipulate situations to their advantage. (This kind of anger was the impulse behind the French revolution: “I envy the rich, so I’ll organize a revolution.”) And Sexual Fours can be very impulsive. They want things immediately and have little tolerance for frustration.

    Naranjo calls this type “Competition,” and Ichazo called it “Hate.” While this type can be both hateful and competitive, it is important to remember that the competition and hate expressed by this Four represents a deeper need to project their sense of suffering and inadequacy outward. The painful sense of envy felt by the Sexual Four can motivate a wishing with anger, or a sense of “I’ve got to get what I need, both to convince myself that my needs aren’t shameful, and to feel better about myself with respect to others.” Their competitiveness and anger is a compensation for and a defense against the hurt they feel underneath.

    These Fours like and need emotional intensity. Without intensity, everything can seem unbearably dull and boring. When Sexual Fours want somebody’s love, they can be very direct about asking for what they need, or they can become “extraordinary”—make themselves seem special and attractive and superior—in an effort to attract it. In line with their natural (fueled by both their heart-based emotional temperament and their sexual instinct), these individuals tend to be more present and available in relationships because they don’t deny or avoid many of the factors that can inhibit others relationally, like anger, neediness, competitiveness, arrogance, and having to be liked all the time. However, at times it may prove difficult for them to maintain a loving attitude because they confuse sweetness and benevolence with being false or insincere.

    Sexual Fours are most likely to be confused with Type Eights or Sexual Twos. Like Eights, they have easier access to anger than most types, but they differ from Eights in the wider range of emotions they regularly feel. Naranjo points out that Eights often don’t need to get angry, whereas this Four frequently feels misunderstood or envious, so they may show anger more often. They can also look like Sexual “Aggressive-Seductive” Twos (because both types can be aggressive and seductive in relationships), but the Sexual Two is more oriented toward pleasing others.




    These descriptions do seem to be based on unhealthy 4s but I get it.

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    The Sexual Four: “Competition”
    In the Sexual Four subtype, the inner motivation is envy, and its manifestation as competition. These Fours don’t feel consciously envious so much as they feel competitive as a way of muting the pain associated with envy. If they can compete against another person they perceive as having more than they do and win, they can feel better about themselves.

    Sexual Fours believe it’s good to be the best. Most people want to present a good image to others, but Sexual Fours don’t care very much about image management or being liked. For them, it’s better to be superior. They are highly competitive, and their intense focus on competition takes the form of actively striving to show that they are the best.

    People with this subtype tend to have an “all or nothing” belief related to success: if success is not all theirs, they are left with nothing. This pattern leads to excesses related to their efforts to achieve success, and it also generates feelings of hate.

    Sexual Fours are usually arrogant, despite having an underlying sense of inferiority. In the face of the pain of feeling misunderstood, an arrogant attitude is adopted as overcompensation—a means of being recognized. These Fours like to be part of “chosen” group, and they can be very elitist. They may refuse to feel indebted to anyone, and they may have the sense that they have the exclusive right to feel offended by the lack of consideration of others. Any criticism or reproach is seen as an affront or disqualification.

    Envious anger dominates the expression of this subtype’s unconscious instinctual impulses. Sexual Fours’ deeper instinctual motivation is about a refusal to suffer the pain brought about by envy, and a need to reduce suffering by projecting the responsibility for meeting their needs onto others and minimizing others’ accomplishments in comparison with their own.

    Sexual Fours “make others suffer” because they feel that they have been made to suffer and so need some sort of compensation. They may seek to hurt or punish others as an unconscious way of repudiating or minimizing their own pain. Naranjo observes that this tendency of this Four can be summed up by the phrase, “Hurt people hurt people.” Externalizing pain helps them ease their inner sense of inferiority. Their relationship to suffering can thus best be understood as a refusal to suffer. This gets expressed as an active insistence on their needs being validated and met. (They want with anger.) More shameless than shameful, Sexual Fours are vocal about expressing their needs; they rebel against any shame connected to their desires. This subtype follows the life philosophy that “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.”

    When others experience Sexual Fours as demanding, this can lead to a pattern of rejection and anger: Sexual Fours get mad when others don’t meet their needs, but their demanding nature causes people to avoid or reject them, and then they get angry about being rejected. This type can thus get trapped in a vicious cycle when rejection leads to protest and protest leads to rejection.

    The Sexual Four is more assertive and angrier than the other subtypes. Naranjo refers to this Four as the “mad Four” as opposed to the “sad” (Social) Four. These Fours can be very outspoken with their anger because expression of anger is their way of defending against painful feelings. When they unconsciously turn their pain into anger, they don’t have to feel their pain anymore.

    These Fours may even seek to hurt or punish others as a way of repudiating or minimizing their underlying pain. They feel justified in pointing to others as the source of their own deprivation or frustration, which serves as both a distraction from their own role in their suffering and a plea for help and understanding.

    Naranjo says that this Four subtype can be the angriest personality among the Enneagram types. They may express envious anger as a way to establish or assert power when they feel inferior at a deeper level, which can be a way to manipulate situations to their advantage. (This kind of anger was the impulse behind the French revolution: “I envy the rich, so I’ll organize a revolution.”) And Sexual Fours can be very impulsive. They want things immediately and have little tolerance for frustration.

    Naranjo calls this type “Competition,” and Ichazo called it “Hate.” While this type can be both hateful and competitive, it is important to remember that the competition and hate expressed by this Four represents a deeper need to project their sense of suffering and inadequacy outward. The painful sense of envy felt by the Sexual Four can motivate a wishing with anger, or a sense of “I’ve got to get what I need, both to convince myself that my needs aren’t shameful, and to feel better about myself with respect to others.” Their competitiveness and anger is a compensation for and a defense against the hurt they feel underneath.

    These Fours like and need emotional intensity. Without intensity, everything can seem unbearably dull and boring. When Sexual Fours want somebody’s love, they can be very direct about asking for what they need, or they can become “extraordinary”—make themselves seem special and attractive and superior—in an effort to attract it. In line with their natural (fueled by both their heart-based emotional temperament and their sexual instinct), these individuals tend to be more present and available in relationships because they don’t deny or avoid many of the factors that can inhibit others relationally, like anger, neediness, competitiveness, arrogance, and having to be liked all the time. However, at times it may prove difficult for them to maintain a loving attitude because they confuse sweetness and benevolence with being false or insincere.

    Sexual Fours are most likely to be confused with Type Eights or Sexual Twos. Like Eights, they have easier access to anger than most types, but they differ from Eights in the wider range of emotions they regularly feel. Naranjo points out that Eights often don’t need to get angry, whereas this Four frequently feels misunderstood or envious, so they may show anger more often. They can also look like Sexual “Aggressive-Seductive” Twos (because both types can be aggressive and seductive in relationships), but the Sexual Two is more oriented toward pleasing others.




    These descriptions do seem to be based on unhealthy 4s but I get it.
    Hahaha, oh I wasn't referring to you. While you've given me more insight about social last and maybe even sx/sp, I'm not as confident adding you to my sx 4 knowledge bank yet for some reason although I'm not sure of your type. In comparison, you seem a lot more lighter (not as in not intense but more positive and against negativity) than sx/sp 4, sort of like a faery. More positive outlook seeming at least and with a more free spirited aura to you. More mergy. 9 wasn't my first guess with Kore but it would be easier to see for you. It may be the kind of tri-fixations I've seen too though but if really a 4 core, I would think 479>459 provided all that. Main issues with 4 aside from that is you not seeming to relate much with envy (although this may be counter-envy of sx 4) and not identifying with hate or being hateful which Ichazo even nicknamed Sx 4 once, lol. But I'm not sure, do you feel you relate to what you quoted?

    The descriptions are a bit darker and extreme, yeah. Beatrice Chestnut (who you quoted) follows Naranjo but being a type is being fixated anyways and too much of anything is bad, right? Even for 7 traits. While I don't feel happy or ever really satisfied, my mother, sister and others have commented in how worried they are for how 'happy' I seem especially in cases where I shouldn't be. You would think being happy is good but too much happiness can even be bad. Mom is Sp 6 though, she told me she wishes she was as happy-go-lucky as me the other day.

    I(would like to) think most people can be better versions of themselves and that most of them are average or unheathy. To be honest, this seems like average for sx 4, they are probably the most intense type.

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