no, def sx first.Originally Posted by Eris
no, def sx first.
How? He's like the epitome of ENTP 7w6 so/sx. He's way too open and lighthearted for sx. He has a tortured side, sure, but that doesn't mean he's sx; Robin Williams is a good example of so/sx with a dark side. And the two are very similar (both Alpha extravert too, Robin is ESE). Maybe I'm just disgusted by the idea of sharing a stack with him, because I don't like him, but I really can't see sx first.
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there's no reason why sx first cant be open and lighthearded..? He is sx first because he feels to me as if relationships and sexual attraction is what matters most to him and he could really get destroyed by that.
I don't mean sx can't be that, just that he is that in such a scattered so/sx way. Relationships are only one superficial part of sx, and so cares even more about relationships, IMO.
no. to me he definitely feels like he could be destroyed by sex and love.
u fulla shit
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I could see Manson being Sx/So 4w5.
SX 4 is very "anti shame" and rebellious in that sense.
Sexual/Social 4
This subtype is able to connect with others and with life itself, but always with an undertone of volatility and a tendency to dramatize. They are the most involved and connected of the subtypes of Four. They can go from relationship to relationship, seemingly tortured by each one. They are the most driven of the subtypes of Four to express themselves publicly and type Four celebrities are commonly found with this stacking. This subtype has a real difficulty remaining grounded, partly due to the undeveloped self-pres instinct. Although they can appear almost Eight-like at times with their lust for life and desire for passionate experience, they lack the focus of the Eight and the instinctual energy that would keep them grounded. Sometimes alcohol or substance abuse can be a problem. These Fours become more healthy when they learn to control their impulsivenss and focus their energies.
lol the shame in image triad doesnt mean that theyre ashamed of everything they do. Theyre ashamed because they dont know who their true self is, and try to find it by attempting to have these images (being helpful, successful, unique) but deep down they know theyre just covering up their true selves.
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t...-heart-center/Feeling cut off from the flow of our True Identity, we do not know who we are. Perhaps I was wrong and I am nothing—perhaps I have no love, no preciousness, no identity… So my ego personality seeks ways to get back to these qualities by trying to feel and appear loving and caring (2), precious and valuable (3), or deep and unique (4). But in so doing, I am creating a mask, a false image. Shame arises as the primal shame of my soul, knowing that this image is not the True Self, even as I try to create the image in a “wrong-turn” attempt to return to what I know is my True Nature. Even shame, as anger and fear, can arise and dissolve, but when the ego is driven by it, the Heart Center distortions have taken over.
Anyway i doubt hes an image type, or a 4. He doesnt have the vulnerability and/or dissatisfaction of a 4
You have to know that Shame is a keyword for the Social 4 in particular.
Yes, all Image types have some traces of shame within them, but with the Social 4 this is one of their biggest issues, so to speak.
Quoting Beatrice Chestnut (most people who are into the Enneagram should read her book):
^ Based on this, I'd agree with yeves and conclude Manson isn't really a Social 4 (most likely), but rather a Sexual 4. As far as I know, he does relate to some SO 4 shame, but it is not in the foreground with him (hence SX/SO 4 makes the most sense, apart from the fact he is contraflow AF).Social Fours tend to feel a sense of shame about their wants and needs, and their experience of desire is associated with more guilt than other people's. The social four feels guilty for any wish. Shame puts their internal focus on intense and dark emotions such as envy, jealousy, hatred, and competition. They are too shy to express desires, except through a display of suffering. They don't feel entitled to have their needs met but at the same time may believe that the world is “against” them or that “no one gives me what I want or what I need.” Social Fours don't compete with others (like sexual fours do) as much as they compare themselves to others and find themselves lacking- almost as if by showing themselves to be lacking they can call forth what they need from others. Underneath, however, they experience a fierce competitiveness that may be largely unconscious: a competitiveness for recognition, being unique and special, and wanting to be in first place. This is more hidden and subtle in the social four, however, than it is in the sexual four.
Here, in comparison:
P.S: I just saw you type yourself as SO blindspot 4. Assuming this is an accurate typing, you would not be able to relate to the shame a Social 4 experiences.The Sexual Four is more assertive and angrier than the other subtypes. Naranjo refers to this Four as the “mad Four” as opposed to the “sad” (Social) Four. These Fours can be very outspoken with their anger because expression of anger is their way of defending against painful feelings. When they unconsciously turn their pain into anger, they don't have to feel their pain anymore.
Naranjo and Beatrice chestnut is complete shit
You like them and you type adam lambert 4. Enough said
Trisha Paytas ^^ She might be sx/sp but sx nonetheless. Probably 6w7 and 468 tritype. Relate a lot to her.
sp/sx
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Sx/so celebrities: Jessica Nigri, Adele, John Lennon, Jennifer Lawrence
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The Purge movies are a dark Sx/So fantasy.
sx/so's love life
the women ...
0:38 - sx/so (?)
0:54 - so/sp
1:00 - sp/sx
1:24 - sx/sp
1:40 - so/sx
3:59 - sp/so
I'm Sx-So. what is a good job for the sx-so type? what's the use of sx types except for stirring things up. I can see how society likes So and Sp types but hates Sx types.
I've also been on a singles holiday with 20 people and could notice the sp/sx/so differences very clearly. I gravitate towards Sx types. find So types boring and Sp types annoying.
Beyonce is not sx/so. Probably sp/so.
Where did he type himself? Like how did you figure out hes into enneagram? wth
And yea, agree he is an so/sp 4w5.
I've been asking the very same question. This video mentions one-on-one mentoring/coaching which has meaning, especially for 2s, but I'm not sure I'd give good advices. Sx/Sos aren't as much hated unless they manage to steer their group in opposition of another group (whereas Sx/Sps don't have extended group support so they're much easily made to be the mentally ill fall guys and gotten rid of). I find So types boring but find Sp lasts' exerted bad habbits annoying and I can get on better with Sp firsts initially. Strong Sxs are rare but even then it's not a surefire that a connection will work out.
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Except for impaired empathy, an ordinary guy who's looking for down-to-earth, loving, loyal friends and a geeky, warm, voluptuous girlfriend!
I'm a social 4 in my rather un-self-aware areas of my personality. I'd say it's the core (motivation) from which I only look outside, hence I call it a blind spot, but I think there are deeper layers than that. Anyways, for me it's an on and off thing, sometimes I become aware of my So 4ness, from which my w3 is the hardest to become aware of but most of the time I'm only aware of my 6w7 and 1. It's like I'm using these other two Enneagrams to not be aware of my fear of humiliation, put on the spot, fear of singled out from the group. These other Enneagrams rationalize that acting weird, outside of the norms has a purpose in the grand scheme of things and that I don't really need these groups to support me in my life. Problem is, that was my natural state and being cut off from that I have a hard time finding my purpose again, becoming aware of my true wants and somehow reconcile that with the world outside.
Except for impaired empathy, an ordinary guy who's looking for down-to-earth, loving, loyal friends and a geeky, warm, voluptuous girlfriend!
Definitely has a 6. Very strong social type, somewhere between So and Sp. Core motivation probably a 3w4 Social, then Sp/Sx 6 and then 9w1 So?
Except for impaired empathy, an ordinary guy who's looking for down-to-earth, loving, loyal friends and a geeky, warm, voluptuous girlfriend!
What? You have one instinct stacking.
I don't think you use the Enneagram as it is intended to be used.
You type certain emotional states according to Enneagram.
That's like saying "I am a Type 6 when I am scared, and a Type 7 when I party, and a Type 5 when I study" etc etc.
It makes no sense to say "My core motivation is social, that's why it is my blindspot".
Your blindspot is your weakest motivation spot, so to speak. You care about it the least. It cannot be your core motivation.
Anyway, your use of Enneagram is certainly veryCreative, you are probably the
P.S: As Ghost said, instinctual stacking does not change per type in the tritype. You have one instinctual drives set. Instincts are in a sense separate from the Enneagram types.
According to behavioral psychology, yes. Psychologist William McDougall enlisted like 18 diff. instincts, according to this article. According to Konrad Lorenz, they are some that are "imprinted" only after birth. If you read all "instinctual subtypes" of each of your Enneagram, then you find that none of them is just a "general" fit, one fits better than the other.
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Except for impaired empathy, an ordinary guy who's looking for down-to-earth, loving, loyal friends and a geeky, warm, voluptuous girlfriend!
In socionic terms, think about your core motication as your "PoLR." I'm (E4) ashamed of my low Se and Te, therefore I feel there's something wrong with me and I'm afraid to try to fit in (So). Then I use other strategies throughout which I damp the need for fitting in in order to just appear tough and invulnerable (Sx/Sp 1). All throughout the core drive remains the same but fitting in becomes harder with all these extra masks and roles to circumvent becoming shamed. Hence the core motivation gradually becomes a lower priority. That's just natural compared to how often you hear people saying they don't really know themselves, got far from their true selves, what they really want, especially the adaptive-compromising social types. If we knew all our core motivation and primary instincts, then there would be no reason to elaborate on this, make theories and talk about it. Our true-er, deeper selves get blocked in the process of life.I don't think you use the Enneagram as it is intended to be used.
You type certain emotional states according to Enneagram.
That's like saying "I am a Type 6 when I am scared, and a Type 7 when I party, and a Type 5 when I study" etc etc.
It makes no sense to say "My core motivation is social, that's why it is my blindspot".
Your blindspot is your weakest motivation spot, so to speak. You care about it the least. It cannot be your core motivation.
Anyway, your use of Enneagram is certainly very
P.S: As Ghost said, instinctual stacking does not change per type in the tritype. You have one instinctual drives set. Instincts are in a sense separate from the Enneagram types.
Except for impaired empathy, an ordinary guy who's looking for down-to-earth, loving, loyal friends and a geeky, warm, voluptuous girlfriend!
sx/so interpretation of biblical passages:
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ” ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law– a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.”
– (Mat 10:34-38)
(sx/so - excluding, eliminating, dividing, separating, contradicting, subverting, confronting, rebuffing, ridiculing, challenging, interrupting, reforming, rupturing)
This describes the great work, it is about Truth. Jesus is representative of the truth in this allegory. The way to be in the world, of knowledge, understanding, wisdom. He is explaining that his Christ form of consciousness is not here on earth to make everyone pacified, to calm everyone down. It is here to shake things up. It’s here to drive a wedge and create conflict between those who are doing evil and those who are trying to explain that it is unacceptable for them to continue to do evil and we are not going to tolerate this anymore. We are not going to take this bullshit anymore.
[*You will ONLY accept the truth of this Great Work if you have Care for Truth developed to that degree where you can recognize this truth about truth itself and the importance of truth being spoken.*]
This form of consciousness is coming to turn family members against each other, literally. You have to keep bringing the truth up in the face of other people, persistently, with will and force, into their attention, without allowing them to escape from it. Not by tying them down or locking them in a room, but by forcefully speaking the truth out into the world, every single day of your existence, to anyone, whether you think they are ready to hear it or not, because they need to hear it, because they are actively involved in supporting and condoning false religions that cause harm to other individuals. As long as that continues the overall consciousness on this planet will continue to degrade into slavery and bondage. The universe is spoken into existence. This is an alchemical truth, a concept that we deeply need to understand and integrate into our lives. The people who are putting out information with the loudest and most forceful voice winds. That is unpopular, but that is how it works. Why is evil winning? Because evil is continually speaking its lies and deceptions into the world through the media. That is why evil is winning, that is why the worldview of evil is dominating, that is why people are engaging more and more evil be. Goodness is losing because we are not acting in our proper role as the vehicle for its propagation, vehicles for the propagation of truth. Truth does not have a voice on its own, we need to be that voice. When we speak the universe is change, when we speak consciousness is changed, and therefore action is changed for the better and the manifested result we get in the aggregate society is changed for the better, [i.e. universe changes].
This takes enormous knowledge about how these dynamics work. Courage is required to step out of your shell of what other people think about you because it will make many people feel uncomfortable. Persistence is required. It will not happen overnight. We have to work at this constantly. Labore et constantia. Work and constancy. Willpower is required in addition to courage. True care is required. We have to care enough about making this change happen to motivate ourselves to go out and actually do it, instead of sitting on our asses and not speaking this truth to other people. Knowledge, care, courage and ultimately persistence.
It is our responsibility at this time to help awaken others by continuously speaking the truth, even if we feel burdened by this task, even if it makes everyone involved steel uncomfortable. Mark feels burdened by this task, he knows it makes people feel uncomfortable but he will speak it anyways because it is the right thing to do. It is the only thing that can change this reality, the deep understanding of natural law and how we have been living in complete opposition to it up to this point. Yes it’s a burden, no it should not be necessary.
Podcast #127
One’s responsibility once you have this kind of knowledge is to then communicate it to others. Forcefully communicated to others, not violently communicated to others. Force means you’re standing within the force of truth and you are not going to just baby spoon feed it back off the person shows you there are going to be resistant to you. You are going to say “this is your belief right now but you are still incorrect, there is a reality to this that does not involve how you currently believe, you’re still wrong you are still causing harm to yourself and others.” When people who are asleep and are giving a lot of resistance to truth then you should not sugarcoat it. You are doing disservice to others by sugarcoating the way things are. You are keeping them babies. Don’t worry about what their sensibilities and ego are, hammer them with the truth. The more you baby spoon feed them, the more they are going to stay attached and think that what they are doing is okay by staying in the level of ignorance they are staying in and believing in the level of illusion they believe in. They will continue to think that they are not really causing any harm and that was just one person with a quirky idea and I told them that I absolutely believe otherwise and now that person isn’t saying anything anymore about it so must just be BS so I’ll continue to go on believing what I want.
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HollySiz
[#explicit] Well turning a crowd to a mosh pit is essentially Sx/SoAlso, note the rap style... a creepy level of Sp-last screaming in the chorus. His vocal chords
sx/so - Patti Smith 'Hey Joe'
there are consequences to stealing my memes btw
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why it's sx/so instead of so/sx?
It's obviously contraflow.
What about this is "going with the flow", "mainstream"?
And it starts with "bae" -> SX first.
So/Sx is "the friend", and Sx/So is the "revolutionary"...
This totally makes sense
"Shed my skin again, this will be my best revenge"
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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