pure sx weak sp but weaker so
pure sx weak sp but weaker so
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typical sx/sp
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
Social lasts are the best people. Kind of wish I were sp/sx though because synflow and social last is a real bummer lol
And because sx first is hell.
"I try, in my life, to follow my heart. I know what it feels like to do things that are soul-decaying. A large aspect of life in Hollywood, in a stereotypic way, I find unbelievably soul-decaying. And I choose, albeit frustratingly to other people in my life, not to expose myself too much to too much of that."
"I would masturbate in a red speedo."—When asked what would she do if she and David Duchovny switched bodies for a week.
Gillian Anderson - sx/sp (Delta)
You sure about that? I have an So blind spot and I believe as I have them both. As a 4w5 I shut myself in as an Sp/Sx would shun the world and as a 4w3 I become more competitive and outgoing as an Sx/Sp would. Still, you indicate having Sx/Sp - but you don't consider yourself a social last? I believe a lot of so/sx-es or plainly so/sp-s would not imitate and take on the image of Sx/Sp (like Batman) and Sp/Sx (Gargoyles?) if they knew all that social stigma that comes with penetrating while out of sync with the crowd. The more subversive it is, the more they are hated.
"Pleased to meet you, pleased to have you on my plate
Your meat is sweet to me
Your destiny
Your fate"
Very sp-laden key words in the song but Grace sure goes sx-level hard in its performance
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Halsey might be Fi-ESI 6w7 sx/sp with a 4 heart fix.
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Hozier is oft referred to here and why not ? He is right now perhaps the most famous sx/sp. I believe he's 5w4 - 2w1 - 1w9 Ti-INTp. Hozier's 'Better Love' is one of the most sx/sp things that I've ever heard <3 . Gorgeous.
Uhum. Hmm. So let's see.... What The Fuck i was saying. I missed that conditional in your 2nd sentence. That you say that social lasts are the best people as if you implied you weren't one but then you put a conditional there that you wish you were sp/sx because synflow and social last is a real bummer and because sx first is hell. Which means that social lasts are the best people, except for being sx/sp which is not the best for it being social last with the syn flow and it being sx first. What does syn flow do to you anyways?
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Yea, that makes sense. I guess the reason why I'm compelled towards people is to fix my loneliness and social blind spot. It's like a never ending quest to make others understand me, to become fully human. To fix that misunderstanding and standard differences between the group and me which always seems to be at a hand's reach but never quite fully getting there. What do you mean by "autism"?
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You mention some important things here, I have some thoughts on it.
I think that your enneagram type plays a big role as well. Being an average 4 means feeling incomplete, that's the root of the blindspot `problem´. It is none when you embrace how everyone isn't fully human and knows loneliness, even a fully evolved 7 can confirm that. In fact, the people who are connected to others the most are the loneliest. So your method of compensation pushes you even more toward an empty feeling.
I'm a 5 and have a similar issue with my 4-wing in the background: I'm compelled towards people because I want to understand them. e5 is called the observer, that's exactly what I do- eternal awareness, eternal outsider. Which is your scenario, but reversed. Truth is, the root cause is that I don't understand myself, I think too much.
Sx/sp overdoes everything in quest of complete fusion, Sp/sx creates their own world - that automatically transfers to the enneagram type.
The reason why sx/sp experiences the struggle between wanting to bond and wanting to separate is their system of priority. You cannot fully love one person if you hate (=fear) everybody else because you are in a constant state of closure.
Having a social blind spot means working against oneself until you realize how everything and everyone connects and that no matter what you do, you are part of the bigger picture. That's why enneagram integration is so important. When you as a 4 integrate a 1's characteristics, you step out of your imagination and become more realistic, self-accepting (aka self-loving, without the need to depend on someone else's approval of you) and practical. Others can't help you, they can only show you a way - i.e., you have to decide what to do and help yourself. The blind spot dissolves with time, then, because you engage in the world. The same happens when I as a 5 go to enneagram 8 and leave my theoretical world; I step into my body and raw feelings in order to take charge. Integration is not easy but most of the time, it happens when your comfort zone is challenged.
I found some more material on it here, although the instincts are pretty much left out.
Hey, that was a good read, thanks! The idea of moving toward/against or "deep motivation" vs. surface compulsion resonates with Naranjo's idea of phobia vs. counter-phobia, shame vs. counter-shame, gluttony vs. counter-gluttony, strike vs. counter-strike xDD (naaa, the last one I totally made up). I have a hard time accepting the idea that...
... because for instance, if I complained about my own loneliness and incompleteness kinda sounds counter-productive, a debbie downer. Why does my method of compensation push me toward an empty feeling? Probably I should learn their ways of expressing their incompleteness and loneliness, the language of current pop-culture, the thought of which makes me cringe since that's their shared interface that paradoxically allows them to get somewhat closer to each other, to have a meeting point (a pretext for indirectly expressing those feelings) but without expecting them to lay it all down as an all-out-there Sx-first would - if it's an out-of-sync Sx/Sp then the shared support, ofc is not extended to him/her, hence my disgust.Being an average 4 means feeling incomplete, that's the root of the blindspot `problem´. It is none when you embrace how everyone isn't fully human and knows loneliness, even a fully evolved 7 can confirm that. In fact, the people who are connected to others the most are the loneliest. So your method of compensation pushes you even more toward an empty feeling.
But I agree that it all boils down to your core Enneagram type. I never bought into the "instincts" idea, these are behavioral strategies as well. I tried to figure out the developmental line of my Tritype and it explains how the movement against / toward was predetermined by the previous type.
So...
... what's your insight on this? Mowgli and Enkidu (from Gilgamesh) keeps coming up, how women integrated them. Seems like there's no love for the hermit. But why can I not fully love one - how does this related to that "constant state of closure" and my "system of priority?"The reason why sx/sp experiences the struggle between wanting to bond and wanting to separate is their system of priority. You cannot fully love one person if you hate (=fear) everybody else because you are in a constant state of closure.
You consider your Sx/Sp behavior manifesting at your E5? I always thought the stereotype of 5s was Sp/Sx... What keeps your from asking questions to understand them? For me it's shame, it's just so easy to get them offended with the right questions... and then them militarizing themselves against what they don't understand yet.I'm a 5 and have a similar issue with my 4-wing in the background: I'm compelled towards people because I want to understand them. e5 is called the observer, that's exactly what I do- eternal awareness, eternal outsider. Which is your scenario, but reversed.
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Nice input. I wondered about that as well for a long time. And eventually found that true love means nobody is left out. Deciding to only love one means to exclude others, the very same thing that can turn against the loved one when the going gets tough. To me, unconditional love should apply to the relationship as well as its surroundings.
Now, average SX is prone to obsess over a person, there is usually a lot of attachment (=ego) involved.
Remember: SX = The subliminal want to merge.
Because the SO instinct is neglected, SX/SPs cut off their lover's wings unconsciously. What others deem "overwhelming" when first meeting them is just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, SX/SP is an unintentional control freak. I say that in a sense of, well, they want to regulate their environment to get that thrill. As an SX/SP myself, I witness this drive all the time. I want to squeeze out everything I set my eye on like a sponge. That can be positive, negative or neutral, depending on context. But in love, without the right partner that balances out the intensity... a you & me against the world becomes a you & me against each other quickly. Perhaps you have other experiences, but I identify with the idea that undeveloped SX/SP is the vampire prototype: compulsively sucking out all life blood (SX) to feed oneself (SP) at the expense of the greater good (SO).
That's why SO/SX is their ideal partner. The latter will offer their neck until SX/SP notices how SO/SX's blind spot SP is suffering. That is when they realize "oh, I overdid it, guess I need to grant them more space". Which makes SO/SX come back to get their SP needs met, which SX/SP then provides, and it works out.
Example: My ENFp SO/SX friend is always a bit scared by my clinginess, but he is fine again when I help him write his essays, buy him food (every SP-last deserves this.), support his social activities etc and he gets clingy himself. I just have to put my own selfish wishes aside and ta-dah, the favor is returned.
About e5 - I don't ask questions. I would rather read a book because I prefer to be by myself. It's quite a vicious circle: My isolation causes confusion... about why I am isolated and confused. Yes, I know what you mean, asking is a powerful tool that elicits an equally powerful response. Once you encounter the person who does not reply, you've met your match.
No rule without exception, the 5 SX is rare but the result of a neutral child/responsive parent setting (read up the Enneagram Childhood Scenarios if you like) but a parental failure of showing the right kind of love (which creates SX that seeks for it endlessly).
SX/SP - SX-first lightning bolt striking the calm waters
Picture a lightning bolt captured in a bottle. The energy is always there but it's contained in a glass jar and only breaks free once in a while. The sx/sp is boxed in energy, self-contained, cutting, and focused. Sx/sp types will often look angry even when they are not. There is a certain reality of emotion which they display that is due to their social obliviousness. Most sx's will be honest almost to a fault. Sx/sp want to choose their friends wisely. A "with me or against me" attitude reminiscent of 6 and 8s. The least inhibited of all stackings. Cares less of what others think of them. The most likely to get into physical altercations, and may even enjoy fighting. Healthy sx/sp's will display a playful selfishness.
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sx/sp ::::: LEE HI - "한숨 (BREATHE)" M/V
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"... + the very literate interpretation" - did you mean "metaphorical" by the "literal"? comparing the sexual + self preservation stacking to a lightening bolt doesn't follow the basic common interpretation of those words
and how is Sx/Sp "the least popular types of all" when Sx/Sp has received most picks across 3 forums?
this forum
typology central
personality cafe
Huh. Interesting... remember one guy from high school, he always stuck around the core group but was really uh, cold, emotionally withdrawn. The weirdest thing was when for some occasion I visited him at his parents and then he was friendlier but wanted to keep out his mom out of his room, really-really annoyed by her attention and type of love.
Well I gotta step into a 5's shoe to translate your experience. Usually I get more of a 4w5 when I travel home and try to get away (turn inward) from the family drama. But when I'm out in the city of my uni, my uh, exhibitionism appears as a 7 rather, or when I criticize, as an intense, uncompromising 1. So when it comes to "love" or "unconditional love," I guess we're like those blind men touching 1 elephant, each feeling its different parts. The wing setup and the upcoming enneagram (in the tritype) determines what kind our struggle is to love and be loved.Nice input. I wondered about that as well for a long time. And eventually found that true love means nobody is left out. Deciding to only love one means to exclude others, the very same thing that can turn against the loved one when the going gets tough. To me, unconditional love should apply to the relationship as well as its surroundings.
Now, average SX is prone to obsess over a person, there is usually a lot of attachment (=ego) involved.
Yeah, it rings somewhat true. My latest experience was with a girl, uh, she exhibited strong traits of 5 and 6. Probably she was an INTP, MBTi-wise, not sure, though, how to translate your type into MBTi terms (I'm still learning socionics). She seemed to have an OCD-like propensity for cleanliness, but from the peek I got from inside her bedroom, it appeared as if she also like to hoard stuff. She was a high loner but didn't entirely take her gaze off the world, news & polictics, so was standing somewhere between sp/so, sp/sx. And when I asked her up for a dance with my 7, her 5 cringed for not wanting to look sily in front of others, as she explained. I was overwhelming to her bc she had this insular very closed off world, whereas I as an sp/sx 6w7 am more open to the healthy and good ways to have fun out there (without completely belonging to any group). Regulating the environment... hmm, I think it rather came out as 6's counter-phobia, we were fooling around the dance floor and I shouted at the others who were laughing at us, kinda trying to prove her that I'm fit enough to protect. But controlling her? Eh, I rather wished she was taking charge, more direct and decisive. We had this you & me against the world thing but none of us had anyone from our surroundings on whom we could've spread any love over. We weren't in love anyways, only NSA. The reason she left me... could be two fold: I read on PerC that 4s, I think that particular user was a 4w5, can envy 7s. And esp. for the more introverted 5s we can be challenging since under their guise they want to lead (8) but we're like scattered and loony, not taking stuff all seriously. Probably she wanted to control the environment even more as one night out I really felt my confidence coming back with being with her and started extroverting and talking to other girls. One spunky little girl had knowledge about my kinda music so she must've felt out of the picture and started giving me the cold shoulder after. And the other reason for abandoning me also could've been my Sx/Sp 1 rearing its head. I just wanted her out of her shell, dunno if that can be taken as demanding or vampireish. I guess we were both sucking on each others' blood but hers was more uncertain, just starting to figure out her tastes, likes, whereas I, also as a 1st timer, had no prudence whatsoever. I attacked with 7's gluttony and gave her all respect for her boundaries but still wanted to advance, wanted more.Because the SO instinct is neglected, SX/SPs cut off their lover's wings unconsciously. What others deem "overwhelming" when first meeting them is just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, SX/SP is an unintentional control freak. I say that in a sense of, well, they want to regulate their environment to get that thrill. As an SX/SP myself, I witness this drive all the time. I want to squeeze out everything I set my eye on like a sponge. That can be positive, negative or neutral, depending on context. But in love, without the right partner that balances out the intensity... a you & me against the world becomes a you & me against each other quickly. Perhaps you have other experiences, but I identify with the idea that undeveloped SX/SP is the vampire prototype: compulsively sucking out all life blood (SX) to feed oneself (SP) at the expense of the greater good (SO).
Yeah, I remember with this other girl..., that self-abashing giggle when she discloses me her blunder, Sp-related, and that corky and silly tone in her voice telling me she wants me to help out to get her life on track.That's why SO/SX is their ideal partner. The latter will offer their neck until SX/SP notices how SO/SX's blind spot SP is suffering. That is when they realize "oh, I overdid it, guess I need to grant them more space". Which makes SO/SX come back to get their SP needs met, which SX/SP then provides, and it works out.
Yeah but 5s are way lower maintenance then a 6. As a 6 I want accountability and when my ENFP friend doesn't call or write me for months in a row, I'm understandably pissed. I think he's got an So/Sx 1, we're both strong in 7 and maybe 6 and we both value action (1) over scatteredness (7) but the difference is that I actually get stuff done when he's more unreliable. Nowadays I just started to notice the So/Sp ENFPs, whew, they'd been around all the time but strangely I never connected with these Steve Buscemi types.Example: My ENFp SO/SX friend is always a bit scared by my clinginess, but he is fine again when I help him write his essays, buy him food (every SP-last deserves this.), support his social activities etc and he gets clingy himself. I just have to put my own selfish wishes aside and ta-dah, the favor is returned.
Ain't it rather: the person who replies fittingly has higher probability to match? Tell me more about your Sx, it's just all murky to me when it comes to 5s. How can you be clingy anyways? Ain't that a contradiction already?About e5 - I don't ask questions. I would rather read a book because I prefer to be by myself. It's quite a vicious circle: My isolation causes confusion... about why I am isolated and confused. Yes, I know what you mean, asking is a powerful tool that elicits an equally powerful response. Once you encounter the person who does not reply, you've met your match.
Huh, talk about frustrated introverts tryin' to take back control (and a 5 using his grand master plan, mwwwhahahah xDDD).Because the SO instinct is neglected, SX/SPs cut off their lover's wings unconsciously. What others deem "overwhelming" when first meeting them is just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, SX/SP is an unintentional control freak. I say that in a sense of, well, they want to regulate their environment to get that thrill. As an SX/SP myself, I witness this drive all the time. I want to squeeze out everything I set my eye on like a sponge. That can be positive, negative or neutral, depending on context.
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Malukah - sx/sp the "mystifier" subtype, Ni/Se quadra
One of the most sx/sp things that I have seen in a while; love/sexual experiences altering a person, sometimes for the better. Sx as a source of strength, the beauty of transformation. Living through so much chaos to finally find a secure union, in a beautifully, unlikely place.
(Ironic because Swift is ESTP-Fe 2 so/sp)
(sx/so // sx/sp tragic love story :'( , reminds me too much of my first sx/so love; it portrays the idealization of love/sx, the seeking of something more only to see that we may have appreciated what we had less; the pleasure, even in being burned and consumed with the passion)
Staring in the blackness at some distant star
The thrill of knowing how alone we are, unknown we are
To the wild and to the both of us
I confessed the longing I was dreaming of
Some better love, but there's no better love
Beckons above me and there's no better love
That ever has loved me, there's no better love
And I've never loved a darker blue
Than the darkness I have known in you, own from you
You, whose heart would sing of anarchy
You would laugh at meanings, guarantees, so beautifully
When our truth is burned from history
By those who figured justice in fond memory, witness me
Like fire weeping from a cedar tree
Know that my love would burn with me
We'll live eternally
One of the most beautiful renditions of this song. The lyrics are heartwrenching as is this performance; if it doesn't make you shed tears, then you're a heartless one my friend.
Urgh, taken me a while to get back... I meant that posting pics of lightning bolt appears like you've taken silke's analogy:
literally. Sure the photos are awe inspiring and may have captured a magnificence akin to the recklessness of Sx/Sps. But consider it this way:
I've always thought that this contained energy (similar to my E1 rage being contained by its strong self-control feature) has a lot to do with the self-preservation holding the Sx/Sp back not to allow them to make their lot a lot worse in society. It's reasonable as last week I got banned from going to one of the factories as a student worker (I'm doing student jobs now). Reason was: they didn't like my attitude, I talked back. But there's still something about the ideal of honesty that gets me blurt out personal stuff every once in a while, not really learning from the repercussions. Has to do with my Social 4, I guess. So it's the pattern of bursts, to which one metaphor could be lightning.
The reason why I say they're not popular is bc I also have this effect of pushing away people, probably bc I'm too clingy, desperate for that stronger connection, as if along the road I grew less confident about the light and slowly (interpersonally) committing nature of the way social subtypes connect. And it's not always in my words, it's something in the energy I give off. One INFJ compared it to electricity that I disturb their atmosphere with my vibe. An ENFJ said she sees madness in my eyes as if in any moment I'd blow up the whole place. As an INFP (or INFj in Socionics) I don't threaten or disrespect people with my words but it's like that intensity in my commitment to some things, the way how seriously I mean it that drives people away (the "cursory" nature of social subtypes, not take it as much seriously bc it's a shared responsibility). Whereas this Sp/So acquaintance I catched up with the other day says he also talked back at another of these factories (where they shout at you if your Se doesn't catch up w/ instructions immediately) but he was able to convey them being idiots in a "courteous" way. Which is interesting bc I've never used any direct offenses. I kept wearing those eye protection glasses which threw everybody off bc it had been only meant to be used while cleaning with the air-pistol. I needed it bc the air conditioner was drying my eyes and they had enough stacked for everyone, still nobody used them. I had people coming up at intervals asking me about it and then a woman told me I wasn't supposed to use them apart from cleaning. The misunderstanding wasn't brought up to a higher authority so I'm not sure if that was really the problem - but me telling my instructor the different ways their instructions could be understood.
There's something in how the two kinds of blind spots clash. http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram...ml#post2985444 (I also had conflicts with the So type INFPs.) They could secretly admire us, though, as we represent their need for a spine, an uncompromising integrity of personality but in our presence, they'd rather offend to hide their shame. I'm always baffled when it turns out some people still remember me (but I can't recall having ever talked to them) and casually inquire about my well being from past places of conflict-ostracism. It's always easier to love the great artists, social critics who are not among us anymore.
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Oh yeah, and going under the public eye..., uhm, rather not. In bursts, maybe. It's the reason of Sp.
It's like you can only have a few seconds to rush in and shout: "The Emperor has no clothes!" (and think here instead something more fitting the circumstances) before people in order to defend their status and support will start to mobilize to contain you as one subverting the system. One can be only "unintelligent about social stigma" for so long.
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@Chae, your post was really amazing, I read it all over again; people often think of Angelina and Brad as an sx/sp // so/sx pair (with Brad being so/sx) ; you made me wish for mah own so/sx, alas the only Te-SLI so/sx I've known was a conman and a cheat, alas.
Hey guys,
Doesn't it strike as odd to anyone that in the So/Sp subthread ("so/sp connection"), the type of the most common "average Joe," there's just 1 post from 1 guy who's admittedly an So/Sp? The rest of the folk is either unspecified or a lot of them Sx variants. "all things sp/so" has 10 pages, Sx/Sp 17 but th "so/sp connection" thread has 6 only. Is it like So/Sp types are not even bothered to come to a forum like this, hence they're virtually underrepresented? Even on PerC I rarely saw anyone indicating this variant on their personal sidebar or siggy. Where are all the common people?
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I would think that an so/sp person would be the type most interested in politics, where you interact with an extended group of people (so) for the purpose of security and materially improving your life (sp). So why would the kids in the cool social group hang out with some obscure psychology whack jobs on a computer forum? That just sounds creepy.
Typology seems to mostly attract SX individuals, and SX blindspot the least.
Most people use Typology to find/keep love – to establish intimate relationships and improve them.
SX blindspot tends to treat friends and even significant others on a "lighter" note, they rarely seek to bond as closely with them like SX does.
Maybe that's why.