Barack Obama's type (old discussions)

[tcaudilllg]

Our charismatic ENFj wunderkind is losing ground to Hillary because he's too timid to throw a punch. He says he's just trying to get away from the "attack politics", but I think he's really just demonstrating Si issues. The ISTj Hillary is using -Si aggressively, driving a wedge between people and places and playing off their latent resentments... divide and conquer. Obama must realize that -Si is a part of life and something he must work to compensate for. People don't want him to throw a knockout blow, just to get back in the ring and throw a few jabs: they want a president who won't run from uncomfortable situations. Americans don't want Hillary because they perceive that her projection of the entire world as pretty much against her would endure throughout her presidency: by the end of her first term they would hate her even more than Bush. They respect McCain but see in him disillusionment and excessive caution... still it will be close between McCain and Obama if he becomes the nominee. It would be easy for Americans to choose McCain over Hillary and the polls reflect that. Although the economy will worsen Americans have no stomach for Hillary's tirades and would choose the pragmatic McCain over her.

The problem with consensarianism/communitarianism in general is its tendency to get entangled in foreign adventures. This can be recognized as a weakness of the ideosyncracy but neither McCain nor Hillary appear to be heeding it. McCain has already said he will not leave Iraq simply because it would be abandoning the Kurds to Turkey. (said this at a military hearing in 2006) "Our friends the Kurds", he called them. The bottom line is the Kurds are sympathetic to the PKK's guerilla war against Turkey. Anything to McCain that suggests reducing +Te ties will be anathema to him.... Hillary considers +Te her innate core and will be of little help to conservative governments around the globe. Hillary is too temperamental, too reckless to be executive of anything. Senator, legislator... sure. Executive, uh uh.

[discojoe]

I didn't read what you wrote, but Obama's campaign is going to pick up and start counter-attacking Hillary's economic and foreign policy claims. I think he'll still probably win, but he needs to adjust his strategy to be more offensive, while maintaining his positive image. He should point out the Clinton administration's decisions regarding Kosovo and Rwanda, and she if she wants to take credit for that. He should also point out how she royally fucked up health care.

[Expat]

He should point out the Clinton administration's decisions regarding Kosovo and Rwanda, and she if she wants to take credit for that.

I find that bizarre -- didn't the elected President of the United States have a Secretary of State? How could the president's bloody wife claim the credit, or get the blame, for foreign policy decisions? Is she going to claim she was Bill's Lady MacBeth? Or has she already?

[discojoe]

I find that bizarre -- didn't the elected President of the United States have a Secretary of State? How could the president's bloody wife claim the credit, or get the blame, for foreign policy decisions? Is she going to claim she was Bill's Lady MacBeth? Or has she already?

She's claiming that her tenure as First Lady provided her with the experience to be president, and that she had an active part in the workings and dealings of the administration. She takes credit for all the "good" stuff, while totally ignoring the fiascos. She is such an unrelenting liar that it's no wonder she puts up with an adulterous rapist husband.

[discourse]

I'ven't followed much of the campaign, cause it's a foreign affair to me. But my first impression is that he's actually ISTj. With lots of charisma.