I'd say this is bad faith; the denying of the possibility that it could happen to them by making it something that's under controll of the victim. By doing that, strong succesfull women can ignore the reality that they're in fact living in a dangerous world thats tipped against them. If they acknowledged that it was something external, they'd accept the reality that it could happen to them, hence, make themselves feel vulnerable and obliged to fix it.Originally Posted by lungs
A similar thing can explain "rape blaming". Most men don't want to identify with a gender that rapes. So they'll distance themselves by trying to make it the fault of the victim. It's a defense mechanism that tries to alleviate collective guilt.
Edit: This is also the main problem I have with religious people. There's always something of a "fair world" hypothesis in religion, that is, you get what you deserve. That's extreme blanket victim blaming and ignores the cruel chaotic condition of our world. Just saying "you asked for it' or "you didn't think positive enough" doesn't do justice to the callousness that everyday life is. If you look for it, bad faith is everywhere.....
"A Louisiana parish is arguing that it should not be held liable for the rape of a 14-year-old girl in a juvenile detention center because the victim “consented” to be sexually assaulted by a 40-year-old corrections officer at the facility."
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/07/loui...tions_officer/
Wtf?So the detention allows detainers to have sex with detainees at the detention center??The age of consent in Louisiana is 17, but court documents allege that “Vickers could not have engaged in sexual relations within the walls of the detention center with [the victim] without cooperation from her.
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So are these senators and shit part of MRA movement or are you unintelligently indiscriminate.
that answers that.
As to your question. I have come to expect no more from US elected representatives and they are not in my interactive vicinity.
Yeah, that one i'd never heard of before, I open doors to women habitually and i've never heard them complain about it. If they would i'd just not do that for her anymore. I don't see why the guy would feel the need to bitch about something so minor :S
The "men are child molesters if they work in childcare" IS discrimination, but then. I'm of the opinion that reducing the risk of child molesters getting acces to children is a good reason to discriminate. The reduction of chance of a great evil imho is a good enough reason to "hurt" the rights of a few men. But then, this is ofc hypocritical and could be used as sliding scale argument for discrmination everywhere.. IDK
I know
I just have the urge to respond to you seriously even though the thread is obviously polemical. MB bad faith on my part, mb dislike of polarization...
Lobotomy @CeeLo Green
Ceelo green is chump change, justice system did it's thing.... rape conviction was never going to happen.
But..... something that is still out in the wild about how messy and complicated this all is....
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MRAs have a relatively important part to play in 'sensible' corrections to gender inequality just as feminism has, if feminism wishes to encourage equality then it shouldn't have a problem with it.
The problem is all the bullshit lobbying by the die-hard fringe activists often inflate issues in favour of their gender and tend to be ridiculously firebrand about it. They need to be turfed back to the fringes rather than influencing the debate to ludicrous proportions.
This has created an apparent low standing of feminism and feminists and it seems to have less to do with that the issues they raise which 99% of same people realise are 'real gender issues' which require sensible redress, but rather that their actions have indicated an attempt to push off the competitors (the response to MRA has been indicative of it) to ensure they have a monopoly on social issues.
Essentially they have behaved to sabotage instead of collaborate.
UK Statistics
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...ivide-feminism
3.4% of married women reported a case of domestic abuse over the past year. The proportion of men? 3.4%
33 spaces for male domestic violence victims but 4,000 spaces for women
84% of unhoused homeless are male
Men spend between 33% to 50% longer held in custody or prison while awaiting trial or found guilty for the same crime
Men are 20 times more likely to die at work than women due to a workplace accident
Men are twice as likely to be made redundant from work than women
33% more women get the opportunity to apply and 35% to enter university than men
5% of women commit suicide, 16% of men do
I think that if the you moved the men and women and flipped it with the current politic and influence that feminists would be crying bloody murder to demand these situations are 'fixed now'. Instead it's a war to demand MRAs don't talk about it because it's interfering with what feminism/ists view as their pet peeves.
The MRA movement needs to evolve beyond the college level and into something more material. What they are advocating is not necessarily wrong; but it needs to be couched with sensible discourse and then it can be applied rationally to correct the excess gender imbalances. However it usually takes 10-20 years for a political movement to gain momentum and maturity to affect change.
Last edited by InvisibleJim; 09-05-2014 at 03:38 AM.
i wish it wasn't seen as a men vs. women issue.
feminism generally addresses issues important to both sexes. and its like the MRAs are just demanding more attention and operating in pure reactivity instead of being an independently viable movement.
that was a good post @InvisibleJim, i appreciate you being respectful about it. even if it might not belong in this thread
i dunno if i'll post a more specific response eventually but i'm not in the right mind atm.
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