is Maritsa even real
Anyone who types @marista as ESE is doing that out of personal conflict, resentments and hate which is perfectly gamma, Fi+Se. She is obviously EII.
The lesson in this is, do not start a game of battletype if you don't actually want to play? There are plenty of people who want to be typed so retyping forum members who have been consistent with their self type seems like a total waste of time (you won't change their mind that way) and only makes yourself a target for others to play the game against you.
I have an EII and an ESE sister. Maritsa is nothing like the ESE. It is obvious Mari's Fi is both her greatest strength and weakness since it is what she feels that matters. If she doesn't feel you are EII, she is going to tell you. It doesn't matter if you are one or not. What is important seems to be the attraction or repulsion she uses to guide her. I do not type that way and I know other forum members who do not type that way either.
Edit: ESE for @Starfall is so off I don't know where to begin with that one.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I think thought processes are probably the most constructive for identifying cognitive functions. Socionics would fare better leaving out visual typing. It is misleading and is very unreliable. If cognitive functions exist at all, the only way to correctly identify them is through lengthy questionnaires, interviews, journals, etc. The more information the better. This speed typing thing based on facial shapes, the wrinkles in your hands, or because someone looks like someone they know is incredibly unintelligent. I cannot believe people take them seriously.
Maritsa looks just like an ESE I work with. But I also just think I can sense ESE and my feeling that she came off as ESE had nothing to do with visuals but posting history and the subtle underlying tactics she consistently uses, which are really just an emergent property of thought processes, many which are unconscious I'm sure, but stable over time and noticeable precisely because of that
then again I can't even type myself, but I'm sticking to my guns; it may not be "ESE" but there's a category of people that stand out as ESE to me and whatever that is, she is
Maritsa is obviously not ESE. There is no Fe at all in her video. The only other possible type besides EII that makes *any* sense is ESI.
and they call betas dramatic lol
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
that's funny cause I think she puts out a lot of Fe, its just not stereotypical Fe in terms of outward bombast, but its no less there. whenever Fe types go into a situation where they feel the need to act like a quiet social introvert there's still this overdone quality to it that betrays the act, I think Maritsa just lives in that zone. Maybe other Fe types can't see it cause they're likewise limited to the same level of granularity, that if they could they wouldn't disclose themselves in a way obvious to true (ethical) introverts, cause it would defeat the purpose of "acting" so it comes off as legit, but to me it has the smell of bad acting, made worse perhaps by the fact she's seemingly convinced herself [1]. lots of people do this in different ways, myself included, but it has a characteristic whiff it gives of something being off... its literally figuratively "putting on airs"
[1] "convincing yourself" with EJ types is the worst because they're actually kind of out of touch with themselves; rather convincing others becomes the stand-in standard for convincing yourself, which is really annoying to me
anyway Maritsa reminds me of every slightly mawkish ESE when they try to moralize but are out of their depth, they fall back on rather shallow Fe techniques (cliches, shaming, social marshaling, victim-playing, etc) I feel like EIIs would be able to really defend themselves in ethical territory. to really make substantive arguments that even if they don't turn things around have a depth and quality to them that make them seem at least like they're originating in real thought. Maritsa always puts out a bunch of words that never make any sense to me. Maybe it is just ESL, but I feel like its more than that (I can think of ESL types that give off the appropriate vibe despite that interference, etc)
I'm EII and I didn't type you ESE to be vindicativve. That was your understanding not my intention. I typed you ESE because I saw more Fe than Ni but no matter how many times I say it it just like you ignore it and chose to believe what you will and use your excuse to throw me under the bus and make me feel bad. That alone speaks about your character
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@Bertrand EIIs can be like that in my experience.
Keep in mind that with function signage, EIIs have the -Fe of ESE at a 3D level; still pretty high -- higher than "average". Some people have a more "ignoring" attitude towards their ignoring function than others do.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
If you're constantly flaring others up and getting involved in passive-aggression and emotional drama, nobody is going to take your typings seriously and there's no reason for anybody to believe which of your typings are genuine and which are influenced by your personal inclinations and done out of spite. You seem like you hardly even take yourself seriously for the most part.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
Then go through the chat box notes starfall and the posts in this thread in date order and look bac about a week or two before that conflict it was after the pictures from the meetup in DC when I VId you that I noticed you were ESE. I saw pictures of you and your sister and noticed types
It was in the same week that I asked you if you and your sister were on Facebook and you said you left Facebook.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
its just different judgement criteria to determine the real states-of-affairs, which when differing, produce different assessments on the plausibility of certain interpretations or hypotheses as to what could be true... but sometimes one captures "more" of whats going on than the other... of course both sides think they fall on the side of the one "capturing more" but the fact that I've seen SLEs get manipulated in precisely these types of scenarios makes me feel like I'm in the right.. presuming not being manipulated has more value to you than the tidiness and certainty of your system, which, it probably doesn't, which is why YESENIN can have his way with such a "strong" person
also I feel like my Ti is good, where it matters
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
People, don't type someone an ESXX just because you don't like them.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
I'm alerting others, also a moral imperative
Realizing what a person is that caused him or that feeling, CLEYD immediately notifies others about it. If he came to the conclusion that man is a scoundrel,
keep in mind I did this long before I even thought I was an ESI (very last sentence)
edit: oops fucked up first link
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
@niffer Bertrand seemingly admitted to being a troll on another thread when I asked, so I'd keep that in mind.
You should look for posts chats emails and pms between these days starfall
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And 10/10/16
That should narrow the search
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
lol... your typing seemed to be all over the place. You are probably just confused, because you type so many.
Originally Posted by MaritsaOriginally Posted by MaritsaOriginally Posted by MaritsaOriginally Posted by Maritsahttp://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...all#post978944Originally Posted by Maritsa