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[MensSuperMateriam]

Ni is the photo negative of the will, and is therefore about trying to predict actions before they happen. I think once you figure out if your orientation is towards the future or the past, you'll have your answer. (With your predispositions towards religion, I have my suspicions.)

An inability to muster up the will to do something sounds more Ni than Si, too.

Excellent definition (bolded part). I am inclined towards the future (I'm a transhumanist, so you can imagine), although I feel a bit "damned" because of a past I have not been able to choose.

I think the reason why you mistook yourself for ILE might be related to the fact that socionics is a system built around the worldview of an ILE. A guy called the Ex-Socionist once posited that ILE is the integral type of socionics. Like Schopenhauer's idea that outside ideas make an imposition of a consciousness, to be in the world of socionics (or any alien system of thought, for that matter) you have to encumber yourself with a different set of cognitions. When we do socionics, we all become more ILE. I had a similar problem. When I first found socionics, I was certain I was the spitting image of ILI. As I got more entrenched in the system, I started to mistake myself for ILE. Now I'm back to ILI again.

Interesting observation.

...Newton (ILI) once said, "I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people." Socionics has that so-called hidden knowledge. I think Delta STs are more likely to say "it is what it", taking a very literal, sensoric view of Te, and not penetrating the issue much further. My grandfather is an SLI, I think, and for him, his Ne isn't really verbalized, it more just comes out in quirky bursts of inventiveness, like recently cutting a hole in our unused garage door so our dog can go in and out during the rain.

I take a quite introspective perspective about this issue. As I said in a former post, I am a bit obsessed about my own mental states, like if I feel once I can stabilize the appropiate one, once I can "calibrate" my mind, I will be able to solve many problems I have since... I have memory. I know this is a typical Ni ego behavior but I try to maintain an open perspective, just in case...

I also verbalize Ne quite a lot, it's just it slips between my fingers, as I am not able to get profit from the opportunities I can conceive. Maybe I just lack too much will. That's the reason in another thread, where people were asked about which alternative type they would choose if they could, I picked LIE. They are, in certain way, a much more assertive version of myself, specially when dealing with real world stuff.

I think being a hypochondriac might be related to Si devaluing, though I'm not sure. It seems to have something to do with not understanding what is going on with your body. Si users seem to know exactly when they are sick. There's also kind of a stereotype about SEEs being easily hypnotized by shiny objects. Duality in action

LOL, didn't know about such SEE stereotype. Maybe unconscious SEE screaming from the inside.

While I do agree that Ni has a very subjectivist and solipsistic character to it, I do not agree that Ne is more tangible than it. Because Ne is the realm of objective possibilities, you'll often find that Ne types entertaining idealistic possibilities which still heavily improbable. Yes, Rousseau (EII), it is possible that if we relinquish all societal controls, everyone will come together in peace and harmony. But is it likely? In contrast, Se types are much more likely to "call a spade a spade". I also think this is why there is a stereotype of ILIs being atheists. The ones who are in touch with their Te tend to mercilessly cull all but the most probable (or pragmatic) hypotheses.

Maybe I did not expressed it accurately. With more tangible I didn't mean less deep, more concrete, as if Ni were more intuition than Ne is. Just that Ne has a external focus, and usually Ne egos, compared with Ni alternatives, are able to express ideas in a more understandable way for the average person. More able to put things in a common context so to speak, because they care about being understood.

This problem is not apparent in LIEs, but some IxIs, specially Ni subs, when they speak they seem to talk to themselves more than other people, as if they do not care if understood or not. Which is an absurd behavior, by the way.

My atheistic views are not based in disproving god (a pointless excercise, after all), but something like agnosticism taken to the limit case, and choosing the most sensical behavior after this. I think it would fit well in your description.

Your sig has a quote from Bioshock, a game about exploring a hellhole full of tweaker junkies and human atrocities. It's also a sort of proposed prediction of the end point of unfettered capitalism (It's favorite talking point of most ILIs, like Marx, and Kaczynski). In contrast, when Deltas talk about the "evils" of capitalism, it is often done with a sort of retrogressive pastoralism in their heads. If Bioshock is not Se/Ni, I don't really know what is.

Not my favourite game (it would be Deus Ex, the first one), but I quite enjoyed Bioshock. I put this avatar and title because a recent conversation in the thread "socialism vs anarchy".

Andrew Ryan words are an excellent living motto for anyone. Even if his "utopia" failed, he went as far as he could impulsed by it. A pro-ego attitude.

Also, I like the thing about Spain being an Alpha country. I've seen pictures of Barcelona, it looks like SEI puke haha.

Barcelona is nothing. Come to the South, where I live (Seville), and you will see ESEland.

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Until now I was feeling inclined to pick SLI over ILI, but after your comments I feel inclined towards ILI again... Maybe as you, too much interaction with opposite quadra has made me a bit atypical gamma NT, hence my troubles for choosing the closest archetype to myself.

[Whoobie77]

This problem is not apparent in LIEs, but some IxIs, specially Ni subs, when they speak they seem to talk to themselves more than other people, as if they do not care if understood or not. Which is an absurd behavior, by the way.

If the MBTI statistics are to be believed (http://www.statisticbrain.com/myers-briggs-statistics/) (I think the typings for the socionics ones were skewered by the Russian-socialist-equitarian mindset they originated from, to sell a false dream that "there's a dual for everyone!") Ni types make up less than 10% of the population, and Si/Ne types dwarf Se/Ni types. I think a lot of Ni "cranks" or "seers" just get frustrated because a lot of people have Ni in their unconscious and don't really understand what they are saying. So they give up until some sexy Se type starts treating them like a court magician or something lol. I admit (ashamedly), I've probably done the "arguing with myself in front of other people" thing before.

[MensSuperMateriam]

If the MBTI statistics are to be believed (http://www.statisticbrain.com/myers-briggs-statistics/) (I think the typings for the socionics ones were skewered by the Russian-socialist-equitarian mindset they originated from, to sell a false dream that "there's a dual for everyone!") Ni types make up less than 10% of the population, and Si/Ne types dwarf Se/Ni types. I think a lot of Ni "cranks" or "seers" just get frustrated because a lot of people have Ni in their unconscious and don't really understand what they are saying. So they give up until some sexy Se type starts treating them like a court magician or something lol. I admit (ashamedly), I've probably done the "arguing with myself in front of other people" thing before.

I also do not believe in russian statistics.

They argue that population is evenly distributed between types because if not, some of them would extinguish. This is fucking ridiculous and whoever said this has little knowledge about genetics. If so, every human characteristic which has an alternative genetic expression should also be evenly distributed. Obviously, this is not the case. And if such characteristic is determinant in human evolution (I insist, if), the expression of its variants will not prevail in equal proportion, but in the proportion required for the proper working of the humankind as a whole.

For example, the P/J proportion should be higher in former evolutive periods, when all societies were primitives. Its is required to take advantage of any opportunity as soon as it manifests due to harsh living conditions. But as soon as societies developed, they gained complexity and size. It would be required a higher proportion of Js (in comparison) because if not, there would be too much internal chaos and such societies would be unstable. The rising of agriculture in Neolithic has probably favored Js (just an observation, not that it is a bad thing).

Beyond this, it's not like you can only marry with your dual... and I do not think that types are purely genetically originated. Some multifactorial genetic contribution, mixed with developing conditions inside the womb.

About the "arguing with myself", I'm sure everyone has occasionally done it, because of the reasons you've pointed among other things. The "problem" would be if you consistently do it, but only because in such case any conversation is pointless...