Any observations on the two types individually? Or how the dynamic between them supposedly plays out?
I thought it'd be interesting since most Gamma stereotypes seem to assume that ESI's are female and LIE's are male.
Male ESI's and Female LIE's (ISFj and ENTj)
Any observations on the two types individually? Or how the dynamic between them supposedly plays out?
I thought it'd be interesting since most Gamma stereotypes seem to assume that ESI's are female and LIE's are male.
I've yet to ever met a LIE female. I want to.
(Or maybe I'm oblivious and just suck at typing. This is a real possibility).
Wow. Straight to the heart. WHY DONT YOU JUST IGNORE THIS POST AND PRESIDENT I NEVER EXISTED!!! *sobs*Originally Posted by blackburry
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So am I. Nevermind.
I am an LIE female
I apologize. I assumed you were male, simply because LIE females are very, very rare.I am an LIE female
However, there is another.
May is a female LIE on this forum. Te subtype, too!
I only know two LIE females IRL. One is happily married to a SEE, and the other married a guy of unknown type, but they were incompatible. She ran a division of GE and her husband called her "Sledge", short for sledgehammer, before they divorced. She is now married to a guy who VI's LSI, but who could also be an NF type.
It's no problem. I get that a lot actually since my attitude is apparently too androgynous.I apologize. I assumed you were male, simply because LIE females are very, very rare.
However, there is another.
May is a female LIE on this forum. Te subtype, too!
I only know two LIE females IRL. One is happily married to a SEE, and the other married a guy of unknown type, but they were incompatible. She ran a division of GE and her husband called her "Sledge", short for sledgehammer, before they divorced. She is now married to a guy who VI's LSI, but who could also be an NF type.
I think SEEs are awesome and can imagine being happy with one but there is no way I can be with an LSI! My father is one and we're not very compatible.
Female ENTJ :3 hi !!!
I don't know, the male ones are rare enough. Could always ask @Deestructor
I know one couple, they're my gf's parents. I guess compared to the male LIEs I know, the females seem to be more chatty and extraverted and a bit less adventurous. The male ESIs are often the strong silent type, even somewhat grumbling.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
haha this is interesting to me. My sister is an LIE and you pretty much just described her. She also has a (well deserved) reputation of losing or forgetting everything and she isn't the most disciplined person either though I doubt thats type related. I haven't been able to type her boyfriend (who she plans to marry), but it sounds like you just described him too. He is a quiet, fairly rude guy who grumbles a lot. Apparently he is a pretty talented salesman and has a softer side, which he is insecure about. But no one would've guessed it because in college he was an arrogant, goofy frat guy, and it's safe to say that everyone in my family hates him.
I'm not sure if those women are LIE...but couldn't immediately figure it out, so why not? They all seem slightly intimidating/likable.
is gwendoline christine LIE?
Yes I can see Gwen as an LIE.
all through GOT she was Se base. Se-SEE?
@strrrng had some good ideas about Brianne.
In GOT I see her as a delta ST, most likely an ESTj. Her inner need for personal honour, her duty to others seems to be a sort of crutch, a kind of all she has left in the world. This may have stemmed from being a person who is physically so different from others. Her character in season five explains a story from her youth in which she is courted by many men who are actually sharing a joke together on her. She is deeply hurt by that, understandable, yet doubly so because discerning romantic connections with others is such a blind spot for her. I see her brand of Fi as more delta: idealized, understated, a working type of Fi that builds over time... "I would love to turn Westeros into a kind of Eden, where there is harmony for all".(Gwenn) This can be seen with Podrick and her, and usually with any other character Brianne comes across. There is so much Fi-suggestive in this woman, she practically oozes introverted feeling.... If Brianne was a gamma, the only one I could see her realistically being is a gamma rational, so ESI.
She is also so physically and pragmatically comfortable with the real world. Her relationship with Podrick demonstrates her adeptness with Te type information, teaching him how to live "in the wilds". I think her character leans heavily on the demonstrative Se, again because her brute strength and endurance, along with her need for duty and honour, are all she has going for her. I see Brianne as a sort of resigned with her fate LSE.
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She seems like fun.
female typed as LIE by Russian typists:
if she's indeed LIE then I've just realised that apart from one girl I knew for years, I also had a LIE female friend in one of the previous jobs - she was awesomegreat sense of humour and amazing at her work (and looked like a brunette version of the girl in the above vid and had same facial expressions)
LIE women are a myth.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
I do not know about her personality (haven't watched the video), but looking at those pictures she does not look like a logical type. Her smile, specially in the first picture, seems totally Fi-creative.what about EMMA ROBERTS
omfggg, sigh. LIE.
Anyway she's too cute for caring about this...
Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman.
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Pretty sure I'm Te-ENTJ, and in my last relationship I'm also pretty sure he was Fi-ISFJ.
When we first met, true to duality descriptions, I barely noticed himI was at a social dance event, and after having a dance with him, he mentioned something about becoming friends on facebook. Some guys will just say this, and it probably doesn't go anywhere, so I kind of put it out of mind. I thought that I'd probably never see him again, or maybe occasionally at the dances there in the future. He struck me as a pretty normal guy but certainly not a guy that enjoyed my company. I think later on, that that was probably more because of the environment than because of me.
When he fb-friended me and invited me to a different dance, we went out for dinner after that, and quickly started dating, sort of. Never put a definition on it, though I think I had wanted to. Honestly, at the time, I was pretty inexperienced about those things and a part of the reason I was open to the relationship was because I wanted to gain that experience. Quickly, when we were alone, I started to confide in him, and we became intimate. There were some moments together that we had that I still really value.. But it was short and ended up not working out. Recently, while I was in school we got together, but then separated again. He wanted to move out of the country to pursue his passion/career, and he didn't want me to go with him.
I think I'd agree somewhat about the strong-silent characterization.
I'd also add that I definitely experienced the conflict stages that are supposed to happen for beta/gamma dualities. But dualization (if that's what it was) was really great, and something I think I shouldn't have taken for granted.
You must have not met the out going, entrepreneurial energetic female LIE type before.
I've known one couple like this. It's an interesting dynamic because although the male ESI and female LIE more or less fit into traditional gender roles, the LIE is definitely the ambitious one career wise and it seems like it can get problematic if the ESI doesn't allow her to "wear the pants" in this respect.
Not true. I don't fit in "traditional gender roles" at all. It's not safe to generalize like that
I know an ESI male, he's quite pathetic and his life is a mess. Those feels stop him from getting anything done and he is extremely hard on himself to the point where i recommend medication. He is quite reserved about his problems and avoids talking about them. Has attempted suicide before and is very unhealthy. Would be cool to meet a healthy male ESI, if they even come in that flavor. I think ESI is probably one of the coolest types to relax with, only had the opportunity to hang with female ESIs, guessing the males would have more in common and be more bro.
Female LIE is a lot more pleasant than the male variant and seems to always go out her way to help people. This one is about 50 years old and really successful, I am dating her ESI sister(ESI hates her sister but probably hates everyone on a small scale). Male LIE seems to be a lot more reserved in small talk and comes off a bit more lifeless and a lot more pushy.
"Interview. Soloviev (ESI) - an honest and hard. socionics"
Can't understand a word. He seems Se-dom, Fi-creative, IJ. Mostly in the understated, yet warm expressions that convey no nonsense, yet no harshness either.
One liners to attract LIE ladiez.
'I have some business to take care of at home, want to come tell me how I should do it?'
'The only thing you are annexing is my heart.'
'You can be my CEO any day.'
'I must be at the bottom of your organisation chart, because I can't see beyond your legs you're so close to heaven.'
'Can you help me blitzkrieg these drinks and recommend a more productive activity?'
Shouldn´t ESI behave like ´the tougher´mofo of the two ...? (Se subtypes at least) I don´t know much about this duality with such gender twist, but a few ESI guys I´ve known were not exactly shy and submissive and acted like textbook aggressors (with extra slyness and awareness of ´inner sentiments´).
Yeah that's my impression too.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I'd say that overall ESI guys are masculine and LIE women are feminine, the gender twist is more directly related to career ambition and the desire to make money. For example, the ESI/LIE couple I knew broke up because the LIE wanted him to uproot and follow her to a major city where she had gotten a job. Although they would have had more money coming in overall, for the ESI this would have meant leaving his job and giving up, or at least accepting a setback, in his own career ambitions and he felt it was too soon to for him to decide that he was ready to make that sacrifice for her. Paradoxically, if he were clearly the more feminine of the two overall, this probably wouldn't have been as much of an issue.
That happens to any male female couple in 2014 all the time, not related to ESI LIE.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
This happens to many couples in 2014 and, to the extent that it is Socionics related, my contention is that it's a dilemma that is more common for male ESI/Female LIE couples than for many other type parings. It's one of the rarer couplings gender-wise, so there may be aspects of my anecdotal observations that are true and others that are false or at least only half true, but I think it's best to just put everything out there and then separate the wheat from the chaff as more information is accumulated.
I'm going to use this on men. thank you.
These would all turn me off to the guy hard, except the 1st one. But the 1st one is processed by me as more an invitation to hang out, not necessarily a romantic thing
My bf is ESI and he's rather less aggressive than female ESIs I know. Might be the subtype though. I'm not that good in describing relationships you know xD
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