Ian Gallagher, never seen him typed before. I often thought some kind of EIE with bi-polar disorder. The way he rallies people to the cause and then implodes in cycles.Originally Posted by nanashi
Kevin as ESFp is a good typing. I think the actor is ESI though.
Lip is played as a ESTp with ISTp elements. I think he is a Ti subtype though. Smart guy, but never goes far with it because his system keeps dragging him back in, and also alcohol addiction.
Brilliant show.
I think they significantly changed Ian when they wrote in his bipolar disorder.
And, I kinda hope Kevin's actor is ISFj because i've always been incredibly drawn to him, even decades ago when I'd see my mum watching some show where he played 'the fool'. I just assumed it might be activity attraction.
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Agh! I cried out when I saw this the first time because I knew what SEE Ray Stevenson's Gamma SF character was going to do right before he did it...because it's what I had the urge to do.
clip isn't complete. scene is missing some parts
LIE and maybe ESI
She holds the record for most Oscars won by any one person (4), and he won (2), himself.
really great movie.
here's another:
LIE athlete saves the ESI (?)coach from the two men who turn on him. super hokey movie that was created because the woman actor LIE was such an athlete, irl. I can't remember how many sports she plays in this movie, but tennis and golf at least.
Scientists who marry for companionship and then...I think they might end up falling in love, but they at least have a lot of affection for each other by the end. I forget.
Zayn Malik
ISFP - 4w5 - sp/sx - 495 - ESI
LIE 3w4
wow, I relate to her so hard. Except she does like 4/5 really rude things...rude to Bob about his weight....(I'da been startled but not said it outloud what I was thinking)
and then when she's shitty about model's brains... I know of several crazy smart models and one who's def ILI
and then she's a bit too narcissistic when it comes to her career, I think, and too much follows the Incredibles' mistake as a film of venerating supers above the non-supers. It's a stupid move for everyone, including the supers (talented ppl) per research on people irl.
That part when she says, "Confront the problem. Fight! Win!" to encourage her friend....that's me
and I'm a LOT like that with babies and 'I enjoy our visits' and protecting people from including genuinely dangerous 'capes' in my work for them.
LIE can get super invested in the development of small humans.
NSFW
ENTJ woman.
I don't agree with her ethics, necessarily.
Did you notice the mural on the wall of Edna's studio at 0:58? It was Ajax (AIAS) fighting Glaukos (Γλαῦκος, written backwards) over the dead body of Achilles, while Athena, the Goddess of Wisdom and War, helps Ajax with her snaky aegis. A metaphor for the scene.
Achilles, who was otherwise invulnerable, was killed by an arrow through his heel. Every superhero has an Achilles heel, and in the Incredibles, that heel is a cape.
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This is popular. Must be a lot of people typing as LIE. I wonder if it's accurate. Maybe LIE means normal person. Maybe I should actually pretend to be INTp in an attempt to fix everything by being ironic. Nah, that's probably more challenging than I have ability for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=LIE_Profile_by_Gulenko
I had to dig to find these.
They are not more popular than the other types.
You're looking at a few posts in a thread specifically DEDICATED TO LIE WOMEN AND ESI MEN that I've had to use a few decades of experiences and a search engine and a database to post fewer than a dozen LIE women.
A lot of people are NOT typing as LIE.
Of course it looks like a lot of people are LIE if you look in a 'please post any LIE you can scrounge around and find' thread.
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Plays a lot of LIE characters. Seems LIE, herself.
It's prolly unhealthy dynamic because it's better not to think someone else can save you. It's better to get treatment for your addictions and trauma, but that aside, I do really enjoy that the relationship depicts a duality-like connection...one that's inherent and based on chemistry of the mind.
vid might be NSFW
Voroschenko on LIE:"Ambition - is an excellent drive to work and creative performance. In the early years characterized by outstanding achievements in various fields. Not one time starts from scratch and succeeds. Person of ideas. "
Lots of extroversion and intuition on this set: contrast Waller-Bridge with ENFJ Fonda and maybe Ne Tomlin;
I think Tina Fey has ENTP vibes...and this interview by her for GQ,here, is a good contrast of ILE and Waller-Bridge:
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/articl...-fey-interview
mebbe? Often brought up as LIE or EIE and 387 tritype vibe
ah...the clothes...and hair...and calling ppl on the reality of the age thing during silly game
I could buy Charlize as a Te woman surrounded by two, maybe three, feelers, here:
and
playing a president with a maybe feeler love interest:
and
being galant and avuncular toward a likely feeler dude in an Amazon, sister-in-arms, buddy way:
and
Si polr vibes
'oh, time to ice my carcass'
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dude is typed ESi. seems legit
Arón Piper
ISFP - 4w3 - sx/so - ESI
ESI 6w7
skip to 2:40
characters
Maaaaybe LIE woman and ESI man. He's kinda dramatic..i dunno...he's a tortured defected spy, so maybe that impacts the way he plays it.
I guess he could be a 6w7ish ESI
Yeah, when compared with James Dean, he seems normal.
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ENTJ 6w7 Whoopi Goldberg
Last edited by nanashi; 11-27-2020 at 04:04 PM.
ESI..super serious seeming
maybe ESI? (finished watching it, and I went: "Oh...fucking yeah.ESI."
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enneagram 9 esi
LIE woman. Possibly ESI-Se man
That sentence! "he keeps me in line."
ahhhhhh. I relate hard to that.
Two sets of ESI actors
and
ESI In real life these two ESI are friends. The actors play lovers. The clip is kinda pg-13.
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If you feel like it, could you change the title? Plurals that aren't possessive or contractions don't need apostrophes. So, it would be "Male ESIs and Female LIEs (ISFj and ENTj)"
It's not life and death, so don't stress yourself to do it
I use the style "LIE's and ESI's" and I'm aware that the notation is technically incorrect, but I'm trying to change the language in the interest of clarity.If you feel like it, could you change the title? Plurals that aren't possessive or contractions don't need apostrophes. So, it would be "Male ESIs and Female LIEs (ISFj and ENTj)"
It's not life and death, so don't stress yourself to do it
how is using the possessive MORE clear when we have a plural that already makes sense?
It's extra clear, given the acronym has capital letters and the 's' is lowercase, that the s is a plural one and not some additional word in the abbreviation.
I'm all for language changing, but we'd be making it LESS clear and more redundant if we changed it that way.
"Making an Abbreviation Plural
Simply add an “s” to an abbreviation to make it plural. (Do not add an apostrophe.)
I work with five other RNs during a typical shift.
Note: RN is a commonly used acronym found in Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary, so it does not need to be introduced. See the “Exceptions to the Rules” section below for more information about commonly used abbreviations."
academicguides.waldenu
newsroom.unl.edu:
"Example:
He graduated in 1992. The nineties were a great decade. He thinks the '90s were overrated."
Oooo! I'm glad you brought this up, Strange, becauses I learned something I didn't know:
"Here’s the relevant portion of The Times’s stylebook entry:
Use apostrophes for plurals of abbreviations that have capital letters and periods: M.D.’s, C.P.A.’s. Also use apostrophes for plurals formed from single letters: He received A’s and B’s on his report card. Mind your p’s and q’s.
But do not use apostrophes for plurals of abbreviations without periods, or for plurals formed from figures: TVs, PCs, DVDs; 1990s, 747s, size 7s."
nytimes.com
It's not life or death. it's just confusing to read. Your brain's waiting for the noun to show up that the adjective (the possessive word) modifies . . . and it never shows.
The dictator's _____ were playing croquet.
The dictators were playing croquet.
Don't worry about the kid's.
The kid's what?
No, don't worry about them.
Oh, you mean 'don't worry about the kids.'
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I view the type designations as strings of nonsense letters, and separating those letters from a possessive "s" with an apostrophe seems to read more easily to me. Your mileage may vary, but I'm thinking
SEIs, ESTjs, etc., are a bit hard to parse if you are just encountering the nomenclature of Socionics. This is my one intentional deviation from proper English, and I don't think the fact that it violates the Time's style definitions is that big a deal.
If my peculiar practice bothers people, they can revel in the idea that they are right and I am wrong.
Yeah, but if that's only because you're only used to seeing possessives, so it seems familiar and your mind feels weird seeing an 's' for a plural, that's just the psychology of the development of the weird feel. but you're losing the meaning of the symbols if you change it the way you're proposing. the actual FUNCTION of the ' and the s are being lost if you just merge them all. Then there isn't the distinction, and it messes up the structure.
Also, I'm high on joy and thus have a LOT of energy for low priority stuff. Please don't feel judged as deficient or something. I'm not feeling that toward anyone
Alexandra Botez
Seems LIE, like Personality Database states.
They have her as 3w4
NSFW
her sis seems like a 7 and maybe a feeler. it's a very enjoyable dynamic.
Update: Personality database has the sister as 7w8 ESTP.
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ISFP
Sol, do you mean Fi+Se or Si+Fe?
Personality database has Erica Sinclair as
8w7 837 sp/so LIE
I think that's accurate.
Watching clips, i'd say she obvs needs to develop social contract/diplomacy/ethics-wise in order to be more effective, but she said all the factual, strategic, rallying-people things LIEs think.
Whoa I didn’t even notice the apostrophes this entire time.
I know!
My brain kept just pausing weirdly sometimes when I saw the title, and a few weeks ago I realized why, but now after all this time, I again noticed the weird distracted sensation and asked myself why, and I'm just in a very energetic mood and felt like asking.
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also typed ENTJ guitarist and vocalist
Luke Wilson
esi dude playing across from his identical, helen hunt.
esi-se guy. You can hear him singing here:
https://downwrite.com/artist/shawn-h...0created%20the
what about Lara Pulver as LIE, as well?
I remember her vampire seemed gamma NT.
She plays an ENTJ as Irene in Sherlock.
I'm just toying with the idea.
Just got some hints of Katharine Hepburn from Tea Leoni vids.
'drunk' at holiday party researchers, neither of whom can remember how to say Lexington Avenue Bus even though they know the first attempt sounds off.
and
again playing drunk, with her real life partner, Tracy, but this was right before they got together, paralleling the Leoni and Daly video from above, kinda.
Both Leoni and Heburn are listed as enneagram 1s, too, so that's another layer of overlap between the two actors. Pretty funny that the LIE caught feels in this scene and in the next scene explains she wants to go back home to her place iirc but the ESI (?) was thinking she meant she was wanting to be dropped off at her place.
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@nanashi In the Charlize Theron video with Nicole Kidman and that other person (I didn't catch her name) - I think Charlize looks Se-lead. She has presence. The other two, especially Nicole are shrinking away, and she just takes up so much more space. Charlize reminds me very much of my SEE friends. Just open no-filter and completely herself, always really liked them for those qualities. I think Nicole is Se-polr. She looks like she could be crushed at any moment or blow away in a stiff wind.
Don't get a lot of good examples of SLE vs SEE women so idk if Charlize could be SLE instead, but I don't think LIE is in the running at all. My 2c, do what you want with it.
Hi, Squark.
I like how you noticed and spoke about the presence. I def see what you're talking about. I wouldn't say the cause is necessarily what you're positing it is.
LIE are well known as people who get constant positive feedback for our interest in things external to us, for our confidence in effecting tangible change from application of methods, and for our joy in physical awareness (though it's spotty) and for our facility in groups of people. We often feel very good in groups of people...And tall people and extroverted people (Theron and myself are both) have been shown to appear as very assertive and confident and to be noticed/have attention drawn to us.
LIE and EIE have presence.
I agree that Kidman almost always seems like an introvert who values other elements of life than I do....(and she's often typed SEI, EII, or LII). And the third woman is significantly younger in age and in the industry. They could be her mommies.
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