Mr. Bates and Anna from Downton Abbey are male ESI and female LIE.
Mr. Bates and Anna from Downton Abbey are male ESI and female LIE.
I think I knew a Te-LIE E7 Sx/So, and I didn't know much about her beyond her being really quick with information and constantly asking me if I hated her.
T-TOriginally Posted by suedehead
I read this comment a long time ago (probably more than a year) but still think about it in situations where I get the urge to enquire about someone's feelings towards me (for example at school I always thought my teachers hated me because I was hyperactive and it continues into my adult life that I sometimes presume people's dispositions towards myself wrongly and then make judgements based on that)
It still makes me smirk at myself
I feel like hyperactivity is a common trait in LIEs
certainly have a lot of energy.
The videos you shared are quite funny. Possible LIEs for sure. Especially in the blunt and straightforward yet funny way of speaking. It felt like they were taking the words of out my mouth
Gwendoline Christie does look LIE to me..
Hani Furstenberg also seems LIE to me :)
Especially through her acting in the movie The Loneliest Planet. Which I posted elsewhere too hm.
Here's an interview that includes her in it.
I can't figure how to get it to start at the right point, so I'll just say the start time comes around 0:42.
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Wait .....you think? Could be ESFp as a second guess.
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I was thinking about this typing for a bit -- hm. Yeah maybe.
I've got male ESI. We've known each other for a long time as he was my trainer when I started MA in primary school. I found him after several years on the internet and I was really the initiating side. But I guess it was him who thought about something more once he judged me as 'normal'. Also, he was ending his previous relationship then (which I didn't know at that time) and he didn't really want to meet with me in person. I didn't understand what's going on (especially that it was going to be only a friendly meeting for me). I suspected something like that gf maybe but I was at a loss. And he could somehow keep me talking to him. Non-verbal assurance he wants to talk with me or something. It was like I was the active side but it was him who took care of making the relationship closer and closer, so I could take the initiative a step further.
I think he's more withdrawn emotionally in comparison to female ESI. He can be harsh, he can shout, he can fight for what he believes is right or his "territory" but just isn't so aggressive in attitude if you know what I mean. Maybe he's just Fi-subtype. What might be different also, he doesn't try to keep me close all the time. We can spend together a lot of time but we can do many things alone and it's perfectly fine.
For me it's hard to do all the things connected to the relationship. I love spending time with him but I need to work and to do many things at once. I feel an inside pressure if I don't so part of me doesn't really want to meet up. But we do. And I don't find it to be a waste. I guess this is the ESI's work.
Not sure if I'm more fi-oriented than other LIEs as the 5th function goes like crazy. He buys me clothes, helps me to chose them, goes with me to buy schoes, etc. He tries to limit my activities to those money-ableAnd I really like that ethical stability.
This comment is generally so true that for a moment I thought I was reading something I wrote about an ESI I knew.
Spot on. The funny thing is the ESI I knew didn't know himself. He once told me: "I don't know what's wrong with me I want to fall in love but meet only on weekends"What might be different also, he doesn't try to keep me close all the time. We can spend together a lot of time but we can do many things alone and it's perfectly fine.
This was of course an exaggeration of his own feelings due to him being surprised about an inner paradox.
He had many inner paradoxes and was not good at detecting them. Once he did he would start noticing it in everything he did and panicking about it, googling about mental illnesses, talking to really close people about it to see what they think etc. He thought he had the Madonna-whore complex because one of his friends had told him he had and it eased his guilt ridden pain to think something was actually mentally wrong with him to be able to do what he did.
Was the same with meFor me it's hard to do all the things connected to the relationship. I love spending time with him but I need to work and to do many things at once. I feel an inside pressure if I don't so part of me doesn't really want to meet up. But we do.
So trueNot sure if I'm more fi-oriented than other LIEs as the 5th function goes like crazy. He buys me clothes, helps me to chose them, goes with me to buy schoes, etc. He tries to limit my activities to those money-able
I judged mine as not having ethical stability due to being interested in an open long distance relationship (there was no other choice, he "had his needs")And I really like that ethical stability.
so I asked him to "keep me from contacting him". And he did. I regret it but it was the best choice.
these three are literary characters, but...both types ESI males
Teddy from Emily of New Moon by L.M. Montgomery (nanashi's childhood crush)
9w1
he's the best friend of the main character and is also an artist. Main character seemed Ni, to me. It was easy to relate to her as a kid. I bet the IEI typing for her is a pretty good one.
and
Theodore "Laurie" from Little Women by Louisa May Alcott
4w5 (2019 movie) or 7w6 (book)
he's the best friend of the main character and falls for her sister.
oh, and Amy March in the 2019 movie alone has been typed ENTJ 3w4, and she and Laurie have the duality thing. In the book ppl have been thinking esfp for her.
I can't believe I'm encountering someone who knows what that book is. Childhood favorite. Emily is definitely an IEI ("the flash"??!!).
I related to her a lot.
Omg. I love that Carpenter is LIE...
and the aunts being her conflictors...
and her dad seemed like a total ENFJ.
https://www.personality-database.com...ly+of+new+moon
This is so great. How weird and fun to look at these characters from a socionics angle, it's like worlds colliding. You're right, Aunt Elizabeth was totally her conflictor. And ESTP for Perry! I had a crush on Perry and it all makes sense now.I related to her a lot.
Omg. I love that Carpenter is LIE...
and the aunts being her conflictors...
and her dad seemed like a total ENFJ.
https://www.personality-database.com...ly+of+new+moon
James Dean (the kid) ESI male
Possible Se guy and often typed as E3 LIE woman
Priyanka might be LIE. She sounds like a fucking general when she speaks. She is sometimes typed ESE and IEE, and she IS playful, but so are LIE, and Ni romance style seems to fit her better than Si or Ne. And she talks about perception and change and cause and effect in ways that don't seem to fit ESE, in my experience. She has an opportunism and awareness of luck that seems LIE over IEE. She's said the thing that she was deeply touched by about this man who was dating her (Jonas) was he was the first man who had who said he was attracted to her ambition. He wasn't put off by it or indifferent to it. She seemed to marvel at that. Vibes as very LIE growing up a woman to care so much about that.
I'm not set on LIE as her type, but it's worth a consideration on this list of LIE women.
Her husband seems like a walking ESI-Se stereotype being a love song crooning introvert. I'm not convinced he is one, but I do see a generally quiet introvert who also performs occasionally. He's very serious. There's a coach vibe with strictness/standards to him (Se creative), and he seems quite into his feels/values. In nonprofessional videos of him, he seems to focus on current, physical reality a lot...face masks, cooking, dogs.
I don't know much about him. I could be misinterpreting. He does have James Dean vibes, tho. Like you can imagine a lot of ESI as quite old men given how serious they are. They can seem like monks.
He has had a very Se characteristic certainty in his attraction to his wife who is herself clearly attracted to him but has repeatedly expressed a typically Ni perception of relationships as highly changeable.
I'd bet he was a 3 in his tritype, too.
and
2016 Dwayne the Rock Johnson talks about Chopra for Time with Ben Hassett:
"Before ever meeting Priyanka Chopra, I had heard her name coming out of Bollywood and was impressed: she was beautiful, talented, had made nearly 50 movies, earned multiple awards—a massive star. When we connected around the time she started Quantico, we immediately hit it off. She has drive, ambition, self-respect, and she knows there’s no substitute for hard work. We always quote the saying “Wear your success like a T-shirt, not like a tuxedo,” and she really does—as big a star as she is, as global as she is, as beautiful as she is, there’s this interesting quality of relatability.
Now I’m lucky enough to be working with her on Baywatch. It’s an amazing time to watch as she pierces the U.S. market. She has an ability to inspire people to do more and achieve more. When I look at her success from the 50,000-ft. view and see everything that Priyanka has already done, is currently doing and has the desire and the bandwidth to do, I can see that her impact is going to be invaluable.
Johnson is an actor and producer and a co-founder of Seven Bucks Productions"
update: yeah, LIE and ESI lookin' good for them:
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I paid attention to her recent post in my social media feed instead of scrolling past it because of the argument you laid out that she might be LIE. I read the interview she was sharing about her new movie debuting on Netflix this weekend, White Tiger (shoutout to my book-loving EIE friend for giving me this book as a gift years ago -- it was so interesting and provided good background for when I ended up going to visit her in India a few years later). Interview: https://www.netflixqueue.com/priyank...he-extra-mile/
This comparison is so interesting / intriguing to me. Thank you for sharing it.
Thanks for your respectful, kind feedback.
4D Ne and 4D Te
you can differentiate these types by facility with Te and respect for Fi or vice versa.
I haven't typed her myself. She seems relatable, though in how she behaves.
She's typed ENTJ
and
I don't agree with the male guitarist at 9:15 about women going deeper than men. maybe he only sees the most practiced women and very few who are mediocre but sees men mediocre in their playing. But I don't think it's inherent.
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I'm leaning LIE for her
Marta Dusseldorp, Australian actor
Typed LIE 8w7
Really interesting to have a Te-style admittance of sincere, but not mournfully emoted, desire and loneliness and also have this energetic, romantic, adventurey vibe. Nanashi kisses own fingers and throws hand. Mwah. So good.
oh....yeah..ENTj sounds correct; she didn't write it but listen as she presents a comparison study as evidence in for the catchy thesis, an ENTJ classic: 'Lover, you and I don't make sense.'
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Tea Leoni LIE
just prior to the two actors dating
and
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Tim Daly MIGHT be ESI. Here he is about the same age as that Nick Jones kid; both their current partners, Leoni and Chopra, exhibit ENTj traits
whoa. communicates like the Jonas kid does.
Hepburn, Leoni, Jonas, and Daly are all very serious, like gammas. Chopra seems to have less enneagram one than the others but DOES seem LIE when you look at her strategic thinking and career and not just short videos where she's entertaining people. She seems to have a lot of enneagram 3 in her tritype.
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Skip E Lowe seems like a gay ESE, Tim Daly seems LII-Ti to me, and Amy Van Nostrand seems SEI-Fe to me.
I haven't spent much time on any of these.
I was thinking Si type for Van Nostrand. When people seem so different from me in the way they present regarding being careful about things I'm not, I kinda get a Si vibe.
I am careful about my math and the implications from it when I do write ups. I don't like acting careful in my clothes and interactions, and I don't like seeming careful in them. I would feel sexier and more dynamic if I was charismatic and engaging and charming but wearing dusty fatigues or if I was in corporate clothes but almost uniform-like in nature and with the sleeves rolled up and a cavalier look to it.
....I would have guessed DELTA over Alpha quadra, though, for her, but you might be right. She does get a little charming at one point toward the interviewer. But....I dunno, I normally feel nervous/wary around SEI....maybe the fact I know they are divorced and the video is ancient and that I looked it up to get more data on Daly means I am ignoring her mostly?
ESE works nicely for the interviewer guy. Like I find him interesting and cool and feel protective of him but don't have much interest in anything he's intersted in, which is spot on for how ESE and I are. Wouldn't there be more 'magic' in the interview if there was a dual couple? If Daly were really LII? I don't see him warm to the interviewer like I see most duals warm to each other
And, I think Tim Daly's 5w4 or 4w5. That can make ppl seem like thinkers or intuitives. I don't know about LII for him...he seems sooooo into his values and such, to me. I will double back and evaluate.
I think he definitely comes off as introverted.
Seems more inner judger to me.
Yeah, I like Ji Pe. That leaves us with EII ESI LSI and LII.
You and I see the two least unlike each other out of those four.
It could be the enneagram...and he was raised in a very cerebral family and theater scene which could make someone presume intuitive and thinker.....but....the way he talks about the people he loves...he seems so freaking obsessed with his relationships.
Whenever he tries to get ppl to look at something, it's values, not ideas......
Wait....Maybe I'm conflating his art-iness and his fixation on all his relationships with him being Fi-dom. But I've mostly only seen him when he was brokenhearted over his divorce and his dad's death and being a dad to his kids after missing his own dad. Maybe it's just his trauma.
He's rigid like esi, and I normally see LII being obsessed with ease and comfort and Si and ESI not valuing that. I almost never see fit, taut-looking LII....Maybe his presentation is obscurring his type for me, like I'm being swayed.
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I can't stop thinking about this.
It's creeping me out because I'm now getting vibes that remind me of a female LII librarian I used to work with. Is he really LII, maybe, and I missed it?
I need more data.
I had to speed it up to playback speed 2x to get through it. This woman seems ENTJ, to me. You can see the 1D Fi peeking out at several points...when she trails off/shortcircuits when asked about what she needs in a relationship and when she talks about disrespect and values and getting into her crush's music interests and preparing for a new roommate. The 4D Ne is there with her various interests and just trying new shit easily. etc
I haven't watched them besides a few minutes of clips. Does anyone see this and Gamma Rational Duality?
Seems like it to me.
Personality Database has her as ENTJ 731 sp/sx
Anyone know them better?
Their background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana...e%20shogunate. "Togame, an ambitious young strategist who seeks to collect 12 legendary swords for the shogunate. Shichika is the son of an exiled war hero and the seventh head of the Kyotouryuu school of fighting who lives on the isolated Fushou Island with his elder sister, Nanami. Togame seeks him out because his bare-handed fighting style means that he will not be corrupted by the power of the swords. Togame, who has been betrayed before, convinces Shichika to accompany her on a mission to locate the Deviant Blades. They embark on a journey together across Edo-era Japan to collect the Deviant Blades, all wielded by formidable opponents." LIE have 'being betrayed' issues due to their 1D Fi according to wikisocion.
pulled out of my strategery when realizing how attracted I am to the introvert guy, yup. Baby Fi weirdness. mortifying weird emo scene; yeah, that checks out; god what a cringe mood. I read LIE and EIE do this volcanic thing (wikisocion).
LIE character
Have I included Louise Lombard in this thread, yet?
and
def exhibits affability that Meged-Ovcharov note in the Ni subtype
previous the16types owner, who did a lot of work on analyzing extensively direct quotes, typed Lombard as LIE, as he did actor/voice actor Claudia Black. These two are a LOT alike.
The following is a character being played by the actor, and the character is often thought to be an Ep type with trauma, but I suspect one can see LIE-Ni peeking through, regardless of the character's type. Claudia Black as Vala, childhood-neglected , extraterrestrial mercenary turned Earth Stargate crewmember.
Te-LIE
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Is she one and the same woman.
SLE>SEE, not LIE
I totally agree that the woman in the video is not LIE. I have worked with an LIE woman for the past year, and she couldn't be bothered to make a video like this.
I identified the woman I know as an LIE because we worked together for several months on a project, and we agreed on everything. It was a classic Identity relationship. We worked on the project in a small office and sat shoulder to shoulder for hours at a time for months, and people who saw us together couldn't believe that anyone could survive that long, being that close to me. But we got along great. More than great, since our areas of expertise did not overlap and we could learn from each other and support the project. She had previously run a division at GE, had taken her current job for fun and relaxation, and was simultaneously going to school to get a Ph.D (again, just because she thought it would be fun). I tried to hire her when the project was done, but she was not interested because she was set on following her plan.
In the course of the project, I asked her about her private life. Not because I wanted to intrude into it (there's no romantic spark there, just mutual admiration and respect, and honestly, I think she's fascinated and amazed that a male both likes her and is not intimidated by her), but rather because I hoped I could find out how another LIE had handled being divorced and remarried.
She told me that her first husband had a nickname for her. It was “Sledge”, short for -hammer. The two of them evidently did not get along, and they got a divorce. She said she then met a guy whom she had known years earlier, but who had not made much of an impression on her at that time. But this time, they went out a few times, and she gradually realized that she liked him. A lot. They're now married, super-happily, and have two kids, a girl and a boy. The girl looks like her, and the boy looks like him.
She says her present husband runs a catering business and is always working hard at it, but is not that good at figuring out how to make a profit, because he's always under-pricing or giving freebies to people whom he thinks need help. So, I assume she's Dualized now to an ESI.
Here is my own take on what LIE women look like. They have a kind of an inward look about them (as if they are constantly thinking about their plan) that instantly turns outward toward you when they notice you. They will listen to you politely until they either decide that you are full of bullshit or that you are making sense. Then, they will tell you what they think, and you can take it or leave it.
The woman in the video isn't doing any of that.
No, she's LIE.
Never seen a female LIE so casually hottish...kinda relaxed (Ep) and totally sure of what's going on there in front of her. If you think you may need a LIE to show how-to PUA-get ppl ... well ... that doesn't make her LIE. Pua preachers are usually Ti creative or EIE.
btw chick kinda vibes like mila kunis (who's Se base, prolly SLE)
I think Amber has got you there suede. Kezia jives more like a SLE way before a LIE.
She describes herself as being the alpha woman.
"Attack bitch shield gives you more to work with: putting you down, asking you difficult questions, putting you down, making you jump through hoops. This is what I do."
"Its so much easier to destroy the bitch shields if she has the attack one".
"Girls like to use the attack one because they have got a little audience there and they like to show off." "Letting me show you how I can make this man squirm...seriously girls do this" giggles ...."Who ever said girls are made of sugar and spice and all things nice?......weird". Beta quadra values of having thick skin and being able to take a joke in a competitive way.
Then she tries to convince the room that guys need to try and approach a girl like this, no matter what her problem is. Hidden Fe agenda is pretty clear here. Approach the mean SLE bitch because she is just testing the guys anyway to see who is strong enough for her. Her PUA is all about her type of chick, like herself.
"Why limit yourself, why say I'm only going to talk to really friendly girls, do you know how many girls you are cutting off from the equation" (unspoken assumption here is she is saying "girls like me", bossy tough alpha girls) "It doesn't mean she is a bitch, seriously I have a heart of gold, I really consider myself a very kind loving person, but I put a bitch shield up from time to time". (ahh, SLEs)
"Say you see a group of woman, and one of them is absolutely beautiful, say she is stunning, she is a darling, she is friendly, she is great, that's the one I want to go for". (Basically she is a textbook IEI, Kezia is saying). "ONE PROBLEM.....guess who is there? There is one alpha bitchy girl, probably just like me, right in the middle calling the shots and you've got to get through her." (this alpha negativist boss is the SLE girl guarding her tribe of girls). "And you've got to get through her to get to that girl, to get to anyone of the girls there."
Just to see your side of this suede, I guess you could say Kezia is one of those ENTj's relying super heavily on the Se activation and therefore is projecting her needs to be find a suitable partner who will tame her in a sense. @silke talked about such an LIE in a Doctor Phil episode who seems similar to Kezia.
I think why over-complicate this though?...if it walks and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Or in this case it probably is an SLE. Nothing in her PUA touches really on introverted ethics. Its all very surface bodily attractions, all very emoting information, relying totally on other people's extroverted ethics towards her controlling how she will react. Further, she puts it forth in a negativist, rational introverted thinking style of systems. "Follow this, this and this and here is why". It's very creative Ti. Finally, she has quite Ep sort of energy about her with her eyes always directed outwards, no self-reflection moments there at all.
Sexy though for sure.
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