you guys have never encountered the "son of a bitch" brand of ESI probably. I have. It equaled being driven by personal feelings projected as "character traits" onto others and Se used for the purpose of promoting those. I agree that in abstracto Se and Fi makes for an intriguing paradox, but only if you understand Fi as "values". Which is maybe the most evolved form of Fi. I found this description good:
White (introverted) ethics This is the subjective relationship between two carriers of potential or kinetic energy that shows the level of attraction (or repulsion) between one object or subject and another object or subject. Thanks to this IM element a person feels which objects attract him and which repel him. You might say that this perceptual element conveys information about objects' need or lack of need of each other and about the presence or absence of mutual or one-way needs.
Such an individual perceives information about this facet of objective reality the individual perceives as a need for certain objects that satisfy physical wishes/desires, psychological or spiritual desires, and a need for other people — in other words, a person's wishes/desires and interests that are directed toward animate and inanimate objects. This includes feelings of like and dislike, love and hatred, the desire to obtain some thing/object, etc., and greed or the absense of greed. The higher feelings of this kind can be called ethical, because relationships between people's needs are mainly regulated by ethical normals.
When this perceptual element is in the leading position, the individual possesses the innate ability to perceive and evaluate wishes/desires — both his own and others'. He always knows who wants what from whom. He is able to set his awareness of subjective reality and his wishes in opposition to those of others. He has the ability to mould and perfect both his own and others' wishes. He possesses both the ability to provide himself with necessary relationships with others and confidence in his capacity to influence other people. His correct perception of human needs allows him to avoid risky collisions when satisfying his own needs. This engenders the ability to manipulate people's attachments, and the ability and desire to influence people's ethical feelings and bring these feelings closer to societal ideals.
As for the type of ESI whose Fi struck me as totally "unethical" compared to what one would expect a feeling type to be, it looked kind of like this: Attachment 3565
SEI sx/sp - Not sure about E type.
My dad is like Ron Swanson, only cuddlier.
"Your front ends shaking, you feel that?"
"No."
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"Dad, what's this sound my car's making?"
(Dad listens for a second then tells me what's wrong with the car.)
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"I welded this this morning before you woke up."
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I don't know if he's Fe or Si subtype. He is like, soooo Si. But then at the same time, when he wants to be, he is the most charming Fe-type person ever. Which is why there are always like, 9 woman in love with my Dad at one time. "Oh, you're his daughter?!"
But when he doesn't wanna be charming, he is straight up Ron Swanson (who I believe to be SLI, ftr).
Sli...loyal, faithful, loving, protective, the model family man.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
FTR I know a lot of cool LSE's who are nothing like that, just, my dad is not one of them haha.
I miss my Dad something fierce right now
As we reach for the stars, we must put away childish things; gods, spirits and other phantasms of the brain. Reality is cruel and unforgiving, yet we must steel ourselves and secure the survival of our race through the unflinching pursuit of science and technology.
- Stellaris
SLE. We get along well and have similar humor etc.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Probably a LIE who prefers to tell the truth.
INFj E 6 so/sp
SLI, 9w1, sp/so I'm guessing. I'm not sure if he's more of a Si or Te subtype, I'm leaning slightly towards Te.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
my dad? ILI-Ni crank
...and my mother xSE-Si/ESI-Se, can't decide which, S creative for sure
SEE
Frightening, overwhelming popularity of STs.
Do ILEs even breed?
Fairly certain he's an SEI
Fairly certain my father is ESI-Fi.
I get along well with him; he understands my ambitions and need for independence,and has always been supportive.
My relationship with my SEI-Fe mother on the other hand...
kinda interesting how ST rationals, LSIs and LSEs, have made the most kids
isfj. a hard worker and sensitive to conflict, more often than not being the mediator in our crazy family. he did the mbti test and he got istj but hes definitely a feeler.
My dad’s never don’t the test, but he oozes SEI vibes. Moody, wise, athletic and 2 chill 4 a dad.
That feeling when you're a het mono guy and don't like your intuition: Hey fellas, I just ditch condoms to fix my problem lmaooo
And voilà! Headass got my free now, it's like becoming a chef!
Damnit. I voted SLI but I meant to vote LSE.
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
LSI
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
My father is ILE, a very chaotic man but also resourceful, full of ideas yet so little practical
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Everyday My Dad proves how much of an LIE he is. Te lead and general EJ tendency to be impatient in executing short term goals but calm with long term thinking- check. Ni creative that dreams and often gets lost in fantasy- check. Can be aggressive and easy to anger but is just as easy to soften just by saying what you feel and mean without ulterior motives- check. Feeling obligated to defend the weak and possessing a fascinating respect for rebellion- check.
Yes I am quite opposite of Gamma but he is pretty interesting and similar to me in many ways. Of all the intertype relations in my family, including the ones that involve more than two people in the same room, it's always the darkest and most emotionally revealing when we are together for some reason. Always philosoflying away amongst ourselves. The only other person in my family though that can feel at home with these convos is my lil SEE bro, or IEE... Idk yet he's crazy
yeah these people
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Only ESE's and LSE's have fully functioning reproductive organs.
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I must've voted on this poll very long ago when I still typed my dad as ILI. His type is LIE-Ni