I can easily see Stalin as havingas a weak, unvalued function. Rick makes sense.
I can easily see Stalin as having
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
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~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
This is the kind of thing that comes from the mouth of any self-respecting LSI dictator.Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
*Pukes at CuriousSoul's understanding of Stalin or the functions, which is, yes, even worse than dee's*He was ISTP, 99% confidence, IMO.
Joseph Stalin
My apologies to people who might think the subject matter a little bit unpleasant but I think evil tyrants are fun to type. Why did they do that? What were they thinking? More or less, all evil dictators (******, stalin, mao, bush) wanted to change the world for the better but went about doing it in a morally wrong way following unproven and often questionable ideologies, many of them making it up as they went along (could it be a bad way of expressing? Communism, anti-semit-ism and racial... ism).
Joseph Stalin, not as cool as the other russians but worth mentioning because of the sheer number deaths attributed to him. Also the manner in which they died ("Alex? Who is Alex? I don't know what you're talking about.") bumps him to the top of any most evil people of all time list.
This guy VI's as EII dominant to me. I don't buy into the whole all EII's are loving and empathetic nonsense. Maybe they were in Myer Briggs, but they are definitely not in socionics. Might be a LSI as well.
Please be aware that I am just Vi'ing them and using the force so all suggestions in regards to his type are welcome.
LSI-Se
On the most widely used Russian Socionics typing database - SSS - his votes currently are:
LSI - 84 votes
LSE - 5 votes
SLI - 3 votes
LII - 3 votes
Enneagramically: 9w8 so/sp
SOC-first/sx-last quote: "When the Germans captured his [Stalin's] son and offered to exchange him for another prisoner of war, Stalin rejected their offer, saying "You have in your hands not only my son Yakov, but millions of my sons. Either you free them all or my son will share their fate." - a fusion with the national identity at the expense of personal and familial bonds.
Interestingly enough the same quality was observed after Adolf Hitler, another so/sp, about whom Carl Jung wrote: "You know you could never talk to this man; because there is nobody there ... It is not an individual; it is an entire nation."
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SEI imho. Just like ******.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Both of you are wrong. He was an obvious esfj
ISTJ
they are definitely yes as classic, and in my experience
LSI to the maxxx
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
this thread is surreal.
yeah they were quite peacefull.
stalin istj to be serious. but i'm not 100% sure since i know little of the guy.
I once thought about his type after reading some material on his personal life. My overall impression was LSI.
Salvador Dali says
ESI.
Stalin was LSE 8w7 so/sp
Having sketched in the ideological and personal background to the t'eud, Patenaude. zooms in on the last and strangest phase ol Trotsky's resliess life: fris desperate final exile in a suburb of Mexico City, where, guarded by armed American Trotskyists, he awaited Stalin's inevitable vengeance like a fallen Mafia don. Having studied Stalinisrn in its fierce practice and already lost his children to the Gulag, the old Marxist was under no illusions as to his fate. After his bedroom was raked with machine gun fire in an unsuccessful first assassination attempt, his doom was spelled out in the bullet holes pocking the walls. A sub-plot to the main story of Stalin's agents homing in on their prey is the desperate affair that Trotsky conducted with the Mexican painter Frida Kahlo in his last days.
Famously, the instrument that final Jy put paid to Trotsky, though not Trotskyism, was an icepick wielded by Ramon Mercader, the son of a prominent Catalan communist turned Soviet assassin. Gaining access to Trotsky's Fortified villa by bedding one of his secretaries. Mercader buried his pick in the old man's brain in August 1940. One would feel more sorry for the victim had Trotsky not himself killed thousands of innocents in his earlier career. Trotsky had all Stalin's ruthlessness, but lacked his supple seminarian's suspicious nature and his implacable malice. Of him it could be truly said that he who lives by the sword, dies by it. Or rather, by the icepick.
His kind of paranoia remind me of my LSE brother. There is huge paranoia about hidden scheming when so called suspicious people are involved.
He has very hard time going into surgical operation because you don't know what is going on and therefore he wants to stay awake and direct/observe it no matter what.
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Comrade Stalin tweaks his nose at you.
An shortcut for distinguishing LSI and LSE dictators is to look at the people they surround themselves with. with Stalin he appointed people of various persuasions....you couldn't tie his choices into any ideology or principle. It was all Te-driven.
LSI is easy to confuse with so/sp and vice-versa due to the so/sp exoskeleton. There was disagreement about this earlier in the chat. Stalin is one such example where so/sp characteristics resemble LSI and can lead to a mistype. likewise, LSI mistaken for so/sp is sometimes the case...like a Vladimir Putin.
ISTJ isn't a socionics type. Stalin certainly wasn't a socionics LIE but he is similar to a LSI I know.
Filatova description of LIE:
As a leader he’s perfectly able to solve strategic problems. He aspires to achieve positive results in industry through the introduction of modern technologies. If he trusts someone he will behave informally with him or her, but will remain the true leader. He’s a supervisor of democracy, creating the proper relations towards his subordinates is inherent to his position. In regards to all his fellow workers, even those at a lower position in the hierarchy, LIE aspires to treat their concerns as equal to those of a business partner.
Yeah LSI is fairly obvious
It is as Socioincs has compatible dichotomies and... uses same Jung's types.
From USSR hymn of 1943:
Through the thunderstorms the sun of freedom shone to us,
And Lenin the Great have show us the path.
We raised were by Stalin for loyalty to the people
He have inspired us for labor and feats.
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LSI-Se 8w9 sp/so
LSI and a piece of trash human being.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
You just trust to ****** and his followers too much.
****** and Stalin are just two sides of the same coin. How fitting that they are duals.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
He could well be LSI, i dunno honestly, but it is only curious how in a typing thread for him zero emphasis has been placed on things like his war strategy and the like.
1980's porn moustache says LSI.
T. Roosevelt is like saying "wat?"
LSI, or you ruin the part of my socionics dating site where you enter "I AM A [******/Stalin] LOOKING FOR A [Stalin/******]" (naturally, it automatically forces you to pick the other option because homotype relations are unacceptable even if you're a dictator whose self-love puts Narcissus's to shame).
Stalin and ****** had quite rough dualization game going on.
Just saying.
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Those were glory beta times and the world was their playground for the most of XX century.
War between Germany and USSR lasted only 4 years, while beta ruled in 1917-1989.
In much degree WW2 was organised by USA and Britain, where Winston Churchill (EIE) was at power. The task was to weaken both and then come to ashes to rule there, what was partly done.
(awaiting for glory delta times)
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Painfully obvious LSI
Are you sure?
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