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    Feels like victim.
    With a touch of caregiver.



    I would die for you
    I would die for you
    I've been dying just to feel you by my side
    To know that you're mine

    I will cry for you
    I will cry for you
    I will wash away your pain with all my tears
    And drown your fear

    I will pray for you
    I will pray for you
    I will sell my soul for something pure and true
    Someone like you

    See your face every place that I walk in
    Hear your voice every time I am talking
    You will believe in me
    And I will never be ignored

    I will burn for you
    Feel pain for you
    I will twist the knife and bleed my aching heart
    And tear it apart

    I will lie for you
    Beg and steal for you
    I will crawl on hands and knees until you see
    You're just like me

    Violate all The love that I'm missing
    Throw away all the pain that I'm living
    You will believe in me
    And I can never be ignored

    I would die for you
    I would kill for you
    I will steal for you
    I'd do time for you
    I would wait for you
    I'd make room for you
    I'd sail ships for you
    To be close to you
    To be a part of you
    'Cause I believe in you
    I believe in you
    I would die for you.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    Why am I listening to teen pop...rhetorical. The melody sort of vibes infantile but the lyrics victim.



    Typically these relationships are more dynamic and have an element of "playing mind games" to them. The Aggressor will actively and openly pursue his object of interest, finding enjoyment in the chase and great satisfaction when a relationship is clearly attained. The Victim usually lacks confidence (about their own feelings as well as potential partners' feelings) and appreciates the Aggressor's direct approach. Their reticence (playing hard-to-get) plays into the Aggressor's courting game.

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    Infantile (I swear that chick is my ILE-Ti friend)



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    Victim-Aggressor. Reminds me of a couple of ESIs I know.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Axis of Evil: Iran, Iraq, North Korea and Agarina
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
    Agarina does not like human beings; she just wants a pretty boy toy.
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    Songs that reflect Park's style:







    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Infantile



    Caregiver


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    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    basically the caregiver-infantile seems like a bit "milder" version of agressor-victim. I don't think the names (let's be honest each an every one of them somewhat offensive) really show the subtleties in differences sometimes. Probably the quadra also influences how the relations play out. I can only imagine ESE caregiver being different than SLI caregiver, same with SLE agressor vs ESI agressor.
    if it's a spectrum then for the above four (I realise there are more caregivers and agressors than that) I'd place them
    caregiver <---- ESE ---- SLI ---- ESI ---- SLE ----> agressor
    (i.e. song from #33 would be more ESE than SLI, while song #32 doesn't exactly make me think of SLE right away, more like SEE)
    That's the way I see it currently. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
    This is purely based on personal experience, but people's "secondary" romance style seems to be the one connected to their role/polr (and not the id functions). ESEs and SLIs adapt more victim-like than agressor-like behaviours, and LIIs and IEEs are more aggressor-like that victim-like. IEIs can behave very caregiverishly every once in a while, and ILEs will sometimes adapt aggressor-like strategies. It feels sensible, too. Those are the conscious functions, after all?
    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Axis of Evil: Iran, Iraq, North Korea and Agarina
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    Agarina does not like human beings; she just wants a pretty boy toy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    Victim-Aggressor. Reminds me of a couple of ESIs I know.
    Victim- Aggressor I agree with. I think its more like Se-dom aggression.

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    There's some peculiar mismatched romance styles here?

    Either Victim/Caregiver or Aggressor/Infantile (Aggressor trying to become a caregiver)

    Last edited by wacey; 01-22-2015 at 10:42 PM.

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    Caregiver/Victim?


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    Infantile - Caregiver


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    http://www.muzu.tv/future-islands/th...video/2405725/


    Is this love ...
    Or the love of the chase?
    Last edited by Amber; 05-03-2015 at 03:54 PM.

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    Pseudo-Caregivers/Students: IEE (ENFp) EII (INFj)



    Verse 1)
    Heart beats fast
    Colors and promises
    How to be brave
    How can I love when I'm afraid
    To fall
    But watching you stand alone
    All of my doubt
    Suddenly goes away somehow
    One step closer
    [Implicit introverted feeling, not leaving lover to stand alone, letting them know that the static field between them will last forever]

    (Chorus)

    I have died everyday
    waiting for you
    Darling don't be afraid
    I have loved you for a
    Thousand years
    I'll love you for a
    Thousand more

    [Self-sacrificial Delta positive Fi; infantile outlook directed towards caregiving partner]

    (Verse 2)
    Time stands still
    beauty in all she is
    I will be brave
    I will not let anything
    Take away
    What's standing in front of me
    Every breath,
    Every hour has come to this

    One step closer

    (Chorus)
    I have died everyday

    Waiting for you
    Darling don't be afraid
    I have loved you for a
    Thousand years
    I'll love you for a
    Thousand more

    And all along I believed
    I would find you
    Time has brought
    Your heart to me
    I have loved you for a
    Thousand years
    I'll love you for a
    Thousand more

    One step closer
    One step closer

    (Chorus)
    I have died everyday
    Waiting for you
    Darling don't be afraid,
    I have loved you for a
    Thousand years
    I'll love you for a
    Thousand more

    And all along I believed
    I would find you
    Time has brought
    Your heart to me
    I have loved you for a
    Thousand years
    I'll love you for a
    Thousand more

    These are types who exhibit paternal/maternal tendencies towards others in their everyday lives and may thus carry over these notions and temperaments into their romantic life. These types habitually attempt to give their partner what he/she "needs" (or what they believe they need). As a result, they may become drained by lack of attendance to their own needs and desires. In a partner, they are searching for a combination of strength and gentleness.

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    Pseudo-Aggressors/Employees: LIE (ENTj) ILI (INTp)




    [Even the way the music opens you can just tell its from a socionic victim perspective. He is not answering her calls.....]

    I don’t see you laugh
    You don’t call me back
    But you kiss me when you’re drunk
    [Victim confusion]

    I don’t know your friends
    Don’t know where you’ve been
    Why are you the one I want
    [More victim confusion, vacillating from indignant anger, to stupefied adoration. A sort of attitude of "why are you not spending your time with me?"

    Don’t put your lips up to my mouth and tell me you can’t stay
    Don’t slip your hand under my shirt and tell me it’s okay [Ahhh, Jake, don't be like that.]
    Don’t say it doesn’t matter cause it’s gonna matter to me
    I can’t be alone with you...
    You’ve got me out on the edge every time you call
    And I know it would kill me if I fall
    I can’t be alone with you
    [Gamma romance of rights and dominion between partners, increasing introverted feeling closeness. Petulance when slipping hand under shirt, victim pouting that needs to be overcome by strong, certain feelings by the significant other. Being on edge every time this person calls, they become the whole world, there behaviour making or breaking the victims sentiments. Up and down, roller coaster: "just look at all these things you put me through and yet I can't be without you". Things for the employees do matter, erotically they can become very touchy with their attachments, which suits the employers just fine. ILI and LIE put out these road blocks because they are in CONTINUAL need for reassurance of their partner's authentic feelings. When those actions of their partner's do not line up with the ILI/ LIE expectations of what people should do with each other then it forces them to question the need to be vulnerable and open up to them as a result. This is the points they require demonstrated affectional acts as a way of proving they are loved for real.]

    Please don’t chain that door
    I can’t win this war
    Your body’s like a pill I shouldn’t take
    [Equality between partners is a huge theme in semi-victim/ semi-aggressor erotic relationships]

    Don’t put your lips up to my mouth and tell me you can’t stay
    Don’t slip your hand under my shirt and tell me it’s okay
    Don’t say it doesn’t matter cause it’s gonna matter to me
    I can’t be alone with you...
    You’ve got me out on the edge every time you call
    And I know it would kill me if I fall
    I can’t be alone with you

    Don’t put your lips up to my mouth and tell me you can’t stay
    Don’t slip your hand under my shirt and tell me it’s okay
    Don’t say you love me cause you know you’re gonna love me and leave
    [Mind-frame of "Why even put ourselves through this if you are just going to leave?" It's a victim like tactic, urging the aggressor to stay]

    I can’t be alone with you...
    You’ve got me out on the edge every time you call
    And I know it would kill me if I fall
    I can’t be alone with you

    I don’t see you laugh
    You don’t call me back
    But you kiss me when you’re drunk
    [Semi-victims, employees, wondering at the lack of demonstrated affection, always on the search for more forceful introverted feeling, to be quested over, to be desired and to be, and this is the BIG IDEA here: to be included. To have that connection, in all ways possible. Otherwise...they are left alone...then what is the point anymore? The drunk kiss is an act of love. When a person is drunk they are at once showing truer, less inhibited affection, open affection and being desired over. It also shows the containment and submissiveness of Gamma aggressors in other parts of life, that for a brief moment is allowed to rest and be completely forthright. The employee is always wanting more of this and so the relationship moves forward two steps, then pauses, then two steps, then pauses while each member gains their bearings.]

    [I think this song is very much the victim mentality a person looking for someone to withstand their sensitivity quarks and be sure of their feelings without giving into the victims relational game playing. This look entirely different in Fi valuing people, intuitive thinkers or sensory feelers, then it does in beta couples. Tenderness towards attachments is allowed and even encouraged.]

    These are types who exhibit aggressive tendencies in their everyday life, and as a result tend to carry over these notions and temperaments into their romantic life. They typically are not comfortable with connotations of the word "victim" - implying a certain weakness, effeteness, and lack of dignity. In searching for a partner, they are looking for a worthy opponent - someone who is strong enough to withstand their quirks without "breaking" so to speak.
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    Some kind of victim/aggressor vibe going on here.



    I could tell you was into me, from my instant chemistry
    As I reflect memory, you ride or you die for me
    I’ll go to war over you, I don’t give a fuck about showing you
    You know what it is, shorty, forever my little shawty
    Long as I’m swimmin’ in benjamins, you shop with no limited
    You’ll reminisce every session, love, know you’ll come back again
    I know you can’t breathe without me, you gon’ need the oxygen
    I damn near gave you an overdose on my own medicine
    I took a sip of your tea and I ain’t been right ever since
    As I think to myself what it be is it heaven sent
    Let’s put the past behind us
    And go far away where nobody can find us!

    [Chorus:]
    We don’t wanna neva end
    It’s like our life has just began
    You walkin’ out, you comin’ back again
    'Cause we became the best of friends
    I got all the questions, you got all the answers
    I done took your heart, boy, held it up for ransom
    We don’t wanna neva end
    We don’t wanna
    We don’t wanna neva end
    We don’t wanna

    Oh, neva say neva
    From the day we got together
    I thought it'd be forever but, baby, oh,
    You showed your true colors
    I can’t believe you played me
    I let you meet my mother!
    Oh, you hung out with my brother,
    My significant other.
    You know I still love you, baby
    Oh, boy, you make me so mad,
    But I just come right back
    It’s like I can’t get over you,
    I can’t get over you.
    And the things that you do
    Swear I don’t want nobody but you, baby!

    [Chorus:]
    We don’t wanna neva end
    It’s like our life has just began
    You can walkin’ out, you comin’ back again
    'Cause we became the best of friends
    You got all the questions and I know all the answers
    I took your heart, girl, hold it up for ransom
    We don’t wanna neva end
    We don’t wanna
    We don’t wanna neva end
    We don’t wanna

    Is there anything you wanna know? (do ask me)
    Is there any place you'd rather be? (I know the answer)
    You walk until your feet get sore (watch this)
    I bet you walking back
    I bet you walking back to me (matter fact)
    Actually that’s a guarantee (on everything)
    Our friendship was guaranteed
    You got my ego in another league
    I ain’t tryna be cocky
    I got your heart in my pocket

    [Chorus:]
    We don’t wanna neva end
    It’s like our life has just began
    You walkin’ out, you comin’ back again
    'Cause we became the best of friends
    I got all the questions, you got all the answers
    I done took your heart, boy, held it up for ransom
    We don’t wanna neva end
    We don’t wanna
    We don’t wanna neva end
    We don’t wanna

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    Pretty much every song on contemporary country stations: caregiver/childlike

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