Libertarianism discussion (cleansed)

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if a community which controlled the roads charged other communities to use them, that would be socialism between individuals and capitalism between communities.

Now I see your point! I must admit that I expect that libertarianism might bring down the concentration of power to smaller unites that compete, but I expected the ones with less "friction" in their markets would win in the end. How do you feel about that?

Libertarians cannot seem to comprehend the necessary and historically developed relationship between the "free market" and the state. The state must inevitably govern the market precisely because the market cannot govern itself.

I know you must disagree with me on some points (though we see similar problems) but I am curious about how you view the big picture and the fight of ideologies going on for the last 150/100/50 years. I want you to present your case for.. ..what I think I would call socialism? (Free feel to define the concepts we would use)

The Social Contract.

If you have people governing themselves you go back to Genghis Khan times.

I'm sorry but I don't remember your stance and I am sincerely lost with how to reply as I don't know whether you actually want to talk about the theories on the social contract.