Yeah, I know.Don't mean to bring up 'old wounds' regarding the J/P thing; I'm just describing what I'm hearing people say.
I agree with your general way of seeing it. I'm just trying my best to re-phrase the arguments so that maybe those who have such ideas eventually will start seeing what's wrong with them.The idea of INTjs showing P-like attributes just won't go away easily on the forum, or in Socionics literature.
Yes, clearly so. And for some obscure reason I don't like contradictions.The quadra descriptions and functional descriptions that lead in that direction are ubiquitous in Socionics, even as the Socionics understanding of rational/irrational leads in the opposite direction. Hence, the contradictions are "built in" to the system.