Johammadeezus on Information Elements (thread split)

[woofwoofl]

ask woof, he is ILE (he mistakenly thinks he's SEE)

one thing I've noticed about Fi-PoLRs is they get mad or uncomfortable if you talk about "who they are [inside]" or "what their 'essence' is"

this is what happens when you powder your Mozart wig with bath salts.

ATTENTION EVERYONE: Johammadeezus has swapped the IEs:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...plaining-to-do

Joe-cionics Socionics
1) ...Ne... ...Ti
2) ...Fi... ...Ne
3) ...Se... ...Se
4) ...Ti... ...Fi
5) ...Si... ...Ni
6) ...Te... ...Te
7) ...Ni... ...Fe
8) ...Fe... ...Si

And for all who haven't seen it, the valedictorian of the special-ed school of Socionics has a type list. Look at all the forum Deltas that got chucked into Beta:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1003318

@Kenneth Chesney forum user type list:

1981slater ------ LSE
Absurd ---------- EII
Anndelise ------- IEI
Eliza Thomason -- ESE
Geneiouws ------- SEE
Ideae ----------- LII
Jimmers --------- IEE
Kenneth Chesney - IEE
Kim ------------- SLE
Maritsa --------- IEI
Radio ----------- ESI
Reficulris ------ IEE
Saberstorm ------ β NF
Scapegrace ------ SLE
The Foundation -- SEI
The Ineffable --- ILI
UDP ------------- ESI
Woofwoofl ------- ILE

If you're really hellbent on that ILE typing, have the balls to make a thread about it and see how far it gets you. I suspect you won't post anything in support of your rationale. Just more diversionary tactics, grandiose puffery, and stupid pictures of pears with mouths. You have less than nothing.

[Absurd]

OMG, I am EII. Roll over, Maritsa. New sheriff is in town...

[Aylen]

OMG, I am EII. Roll over, Maritsa. New sheriff is in town...

Now I am confused more than ever...socionics.

[Absurd]

Now I am confused more than ever...socionics.

You can thank Bloomberg for that. I am not EII.

[Absurd]

Radio is identical to UDP. Cool.

[Olduvai]

this is what happens when you powder your Mozart wig with bath salts.

ATTENTION EVERYONE: Johammadeezus has swapped the IEs:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...plaining-to-do

Joe-cionics Socionics
1) ...Ne... ...Ti
2) ...Fi... ...Ne
3) ...Se... ...Se
4) ...Ti... ...Fi
5) ...Si... ...Ni
6) ...Te... ...Te
7) ...Ni... ...Fe
8) ...Fe... ...Si

And for all who haven't seen it, the valedictorian of the special-ed school of Socionics has a type list. Look at all the forum Deltas that got chucked into Beta:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1003318

@Kenneth Chesney forum user type list:

1981slater ------ LSE
Absurd ---------- EII
Anndelise ------- IEI
Eliza Thomason -- ESE
Geneiouws ------- SEE
Ideae ----------- LII
Jimmers --------- IEE
Kenneth Chesney - IEE
Kim ------------- SLE
Maritsa --------- IEI
Radio ----------- ESI
Reficulris ------ IEE
Saberstorm ------ β NF
Scapegrace ------ SLE
The Foundation -- SEI
The Ineffable --- ILI
UDP ------------- ESI
Woofwoofl ------- ILE

If you're really hellbent on that ILE typing, have the balls to make a thread about it and see how far it gets you. I suspect you won't post anything in support of your rationale. Just more diversionary tactics, grandiose puffery, and stupid pictures of pears with mouths. You have less than nothing.

just by looking at this one post, I can see that you're either a very "special" SEE or a very "typical" ILE

for an "en-tee", you sure are dumb

EDIT (here's my attempt at a brief explanation):
the reason why I provide such little evidence to support my claims is because it is difficult for me to put in words why I think someone is a particular type. in fact, to say "I think" you are ILE is kind of inaccurate; it's more of an "I feel" thing. that might seem tenuous to you, but when I "feel" something it's usually accurate (Fi is my judging function, after all). why do I think you're ILE? because you're clearly logical and because you're clearly intuitive, and because you speak just like other ILEs I know. since the first time I met you I've been skeptical of your self-typing, as the SEEs I know aren't half as witty and articulate as you are. it's impossible to have an abstract conversation with an SEE; they sound fucking retarded when they try.

woof, if you really want to understand me, just go through your "I'm calling Johannes out" thread and watch the videos I posted. again, because it is difficult for me to explain myself, I post videos in hopes that you'll "see what I see". I'm going to continue posting videos and providing modest commentary, and hopefully it will all make sense to someone besides just myself.

[Olduvai]

I'd say a majority of the people on this forum are Fe/Ti

[Olduvai]

Gonna try to tone down the Fi polr in this thread a bit.

I think she´s SEE btw. Incredible voice.

not sure about the singer, but I agree that woof displayed his Fi-PoLR in this thread. he's a dick with an inferiority complex.

[Absurd]

You want me to supervise him, @Kenneth Chesney ?

[Aylen]

I finally understand socionics... thanks to many different people, for showing me the way...I can now die happy.

[Olduvai]

You want me to supervise him, @Kenneth Chesney ?

I'll let InvisibleJim handle that (that's right, Jim, I think you might be EII)

[Absurd]

I'll let InvisibleJim handle that (that's right, Jim, I think you might be EII)

I thought you need live footage of people to type them and here you are, typing them without even seeing nor knowing them. Better yet, post your list in that (in)famous typing thread, but just don't scale it off woof's list of your list...

... that's plagiarism.

[Olduvai]

I thought you need live footage of people to type them and here you are, typing them without even seeing nor knowing them.

that's why I said "I think" and "might be" instead of "I know" and "must be"

[Absurd]

that's why I said "I think" and "might be" instead of "I know" and "must be"

Weren't feelers supposed to feel and not think?

Why do you get up in the morning?

[Olduvai]

Weren't feelers supposed to feel and not think?

Why do you get up in the morning?

in your view, what is meant by "feel" and what is meant by "think"?

answer to your second question: because I'm not tired anymore, duh

[Aylen]

Weren't feelers supposed to feel and not think?

Why do you get up in the morning?

Aww, everybody feels...everybody thinks. I think a group hug is called for...

I just feel the love here... <3

I know my socionics

*giggles*

[Absurd]

in your view, what is meant by "feel" and what is meant by "think"?

Chase, seriously, this is some fine construct you constructed here/are still constructing. I don't know whether this is my morbid curiosity that tells me to focus on you more closely or the fact that I've seen it somewhere before.

Either way feeling is and has always been an subjective experience of emotion, at least psychology wise.

Your turn.

(And why can't I supervise woof instead of Jim? Am I inferior in your eyes?)

Aww, everybody feels...everybody thinks.

What do you think about Arturo Giovannitti?

What do you feel towards Arturo Giovannitti?

[Aylen]

What do you think about Arturo Giovannitti?

What do you feel towards Arturo Giovannitti?

I think he looks like Oscar Wilde. I feel nothing.

[Absurd]

I think he looks like Oscar Wilde. I feel nothing.

Where do you think you see the resemblance and you have stated that everybody feels and thinks, yet it is a bit disappointing that you do not feel anything.

[Aylen]

I have control over my thoughts, feelings and actions...when I want to. I had no need to feel anything since I didn't know him. I instantly thought of Wilde when I saw his pic. That's just my perception. Others may not see any resemblance. I remember faces.

[Olduvai]

Chase,

It's "Charlie", not "Chase". Sheesh.

seriously, this is some fine construct you constructed here/are still constructing.

Thanks, I thought so too. After all, I define "Ne" as "Explicit Field/Condition/Construct Statics".

I don't know whether this is my morbid curiosity that tells me to focus on you more closely or the fact that I've seen it somewhere before.

Auditor seems like a significant person; how he acts deserves attention.

Yes/no?

Either way feeling is and has always been an subjective experience of emotion, at least psychology wise.

So "to feel" would mean "to subjectively experience emotion"? What would "to think" mean?

(And why can't I supervise woof instead of Jim? Am I inferior in your eyes?)

Assuming I'm right (which I'm probably not), you can do me one better: you can conflict with him. I'm starting to wonder if you're ESI; if so, I urge you to antagonize woof as much as possible.

[Absurd]

It's "Charlie", not "Chase". Sheesh.

Fair enough.

Thanks, I thought so too. After all, I define "Ne" as "Explicit Field/Condition/Construct Statics".

What does it have to do with anything I have wrote so far? Nothing?

[/COLOR]Yes/no?

Yes.

(Problem is, you're giving me attention now and you get me oh so confused now, that is, I am starting to think I am supervising you now. Help out a brother here, who doesn't read Morning Start and can't stand being called a brother).

What would "to think" mean?

It is the act of producing thoughts, which in your case means you have a problem and I am here to profit from your problems.

Assuming I'm right (which I'm probably not), you can do me one better: you can conflict with him. I'm starting to wonder if you're ESI; if so, I urge you to antagonize woof as much as possible.

The act of assumption again, eh?

Come on, Charlie Sheen, it is time you castaway your hypotheses, you're starting to sound liek a hypothetical person already.

Let me summarise: first EII, then EIE, now ESI. God damn, Sheen, I mean Charlie, purchase yourself a nice lightning conductor and whenever you have a thought, let it strike it. As for conflicting woofl, hell yes I will do, after I am finished with you. Rhyming with Absurd made easy, you just need to pull the trigger and squeezy.

[Olduvai]

What does it have to do with anything I have wrote so far? Nothing?

You said that I said that feelers only feel and never think (which isn't even what I said), and somehow that was supposed to invalidate something else I said. I thought the appropriate response would be to ask for clarification as to the meaning of "to feel" and "to think".

(Problem is, you're giving me attention now and you get me oh so confused now, that is, I am starting to think I am supervising you now. Help out a brother here, who doesn't read Morning Start and can't stand being called a brother).

Maybe I just like attention?

It is the act of producing thoughts, which in your case means you have a problem and I am here to profit from your problems.

But what is a "thought" as opposed to a "feeling"? Aren't they both "thoughts" insofar as they are both "products of cognition"?

The act of assumption again, eh?

It was purely for hypothetical purposes.

Come on, Charlie Sheen, it is time you castaway your hypotheses, you're starting to sound liek a hypothetical person already.

Hypotheses about what? Your type?

Let me summarise: first EII, then EIE, now ESI. God damn, Sheen, I mean Charlie, purchase yourself a nice lightning conductor and whenever you have a thought, let it strike it. As for conflicting woofl, hell yes I will do, after I am finished with you. Rhyming with Absurd made easy, you just need to pull the trigger and squeezy.

Don't fuck with K. Chesney; you're just a gay lesbi

[Absurd]

You said that I said that feelers only feel and never think (which isn't even what I said), and somehow that was supposed to invalidate something else I said. I thought the appropriate response would be to ask for clarification as to the meaning of "to feel" and "to think".

Yes sir, I wrote that. I'm going to write it again: feelers feel, thinkers think.

Maybe I just like attention?

"Maybe" is another assumption.

But what is a "thought" as opposed to a "feeling"? Aren't they both "thoughts" insofar as they are both "products of cognition"?

No, they're not. Two distinct things, two different animals. Besides, I already scribbled what thoughts are and what feelings are and I am inclined to say you're totally irrational, based on your inability to differentiate between those two.

It was purely for hypothetical purposes.

You don't say.

Hypotheses about what? Your type?

Hablas españo? No, about this bottle of water that rests at my desk now.

Don't fuck with K. Chesney; you're just a gay lesbi

Post your pic and I will decide that to do.

[Beautiful sky]

I like Johannes. He's doesn't overly focus and nitpick on people's posts in detail hence not concentrating on Se and trumping people or I should say my own base function around I like him.

[Absurd]

I like Johannes. He's doesn't overly focus and nitpick on people's posts in detail hence not concentrating on Se and trumping people or I should say my own base function around I like him.

You lil Smurfette you, of course you liek him. Never doubted this.

[Olduvai]

Yes sir, I wrote that. I'm going to write it again: feelers feel, thinkers think.

oh, so you said it? then I disagree.

"Maybe" is another assumption.

"Maybe" just means "it could possibly be".

No, they're not. Two distinct things, two different animals. Besides, I already scribbled what thoughts are and what feelings are and I am inclined to say you're totally irrational, based on your inability to differentiate between those two.

You said "to feel" means "to subjectively experience emotion" and "to think" means "to produce a thought", but that doesn't clarify anything. What is a "thought", and how is an emotion not a thought?

Hablas españo? No, about this bottle of water that rests at my desk now.

This is why I like you; you're sassy.

Post your pic and I will decide that to do.

Maybe I will. My profile pic looks a lot like me.

[Absurd]

then I disagree.

Why oh why?

"Maybe" just means "it could possibly be".

Well yes, but when "could possibly be" multiplied by 10 doesn't deliver nor land at all, it is an assumption. Excess speculation.

What is a "thought", and how is an emotion not a thought?

It is simply a process and product of mental activity, like Model A. Not unless you consider that an emotion, and if so, I stand corrected.

This is why I like you; you're sassy.

This is an emotion.

Maybe I will. My profile pic looks a lot like me.

Cool.

[Olduvai]

Why oh why?

Because like Aylen said, everyone experiences both thoughts and feelings.

Well yes, but when "could possibly be" multiplied by 10 doesn't deliver nor land at all, it is an assumption. Excess speculation.

"Could possibly be" means "could possibly be"; an "assumption" is saying "this is certainly true" without justification.

It is simply a process and product of mental activity, like Model A. Not unless you consider that an emotion, and if so, I stand corrected.

Are you saying that we can "control" our thoughts but not our feelings, and that is what differentiates the two? I'm still unclear as to what you mean.

This is an emotion.

How?

[Absurd]

Because like Aylen said, everyone experiences both thoughts and feelings.

Running under a skirt? Even if it were so, how the heck are you able to type any one, for it is impossible using what you both use.

"Could possibly be" means "could possibly be"; an "assumption" is saying "this is certainly true" without justification.

Where is the evidence to "could possibly be"? It didn't happen yet, that is, you're just content with believing it might happen, as in trying to predict the outcome (future event) without much information to begin with...

In the same vein I can scribble that you could die tomorrow not knowing whether you're ill at all, overdosed, have AIDS and only have one day to live, etc. It is an assumption.

Are you saying that we can "control" our thoughts but not our feelings, and that is what differentiates the two? I'm still unclear as to what you mean.

?

How?

Seems you're new to the world, so I am going to meow a bit - it carries an emotional load and is aimed at the receiver of such, be it positive or negative, in this case it was positive(?)

I'm not sure whether you are emotionally retarded nor can say, but being unaware of what you tell people and the impact your words can make on them, makes me wonder whether it is intended and aimed at manipulation of some sorts - if so, I won't continue this and going to piss on you. I am allowed to after my beer.

[woofwoofl]

Maybe I just like attention?

Now that you've got some, I sure as hell hope for the both of us that you know what to do with it. That which you got right more certainly than anything else is that which you've shown the least certainty towards. Which segues smoothly into the next issue:

I'm going to continue posting videos and providing modest commentary

You can't continue "providing modest commentary" because you never began. You've compared yourself to Mozart, Jesus, and Einstein, you've said you came to retype everyone who was supposedly mistyped as if you were some sort of savior of Socionics, and then you said your ultimate motivation was to make money. As I said before, Pod'Lair beat you there. And as far as the ridiculous messiah persecution mania on your end goes, you haven't been persecuted like Mozart as much as you've been pelted with rocks like Chad Kroeger, you haven't been crucified like Jesus as much as you've been beseiged like David Koresh, and you haven't been... hell, I don't even know what type of supposed victimization you're going for with the "Einstein" thing...

the reason why I provide such little evidence to support my claims is because it is difficult for me to put in words why I think someone is a particular type.

You'd save your ass a lot if you at least made an attempt. You've been gallivanting around the boards, retyping everyone without any consideration for the system itself, let alone the members. If you don't actively attempt to clear the opacity of the black box operation you're running, someone's gonna try to smash the whole damned thing open for you.

There's a lot of people on here whose conclusions I disagree with, but I've seen, in one way or another, a certain methodology of theirs that differs from mine in such a way that their entire operations slice across mine perpendicularly, and I have particular things I check for in regards to my own typings based on what they end up with. Without going into further details, this is one thing that has been a thorn in my side in regards to me using the SEE configuration in regards to self-type for years, and there's a reason I phrased my sentence in that manner. I don't "think" of anyone as a "type", I find whatever type configuration I find to fit best for a person, and I use it. The difference is large, and it's fucking important. Finding the difference out for yourself, if you're currently unaware that there is one, can be the first of hopefully many steps in the journey of you learning to cool it with the wild speculative long-jumps to nowhere or worse.

Having said that, and due to multiple events in my world that, in part, comprise this crazy assed thing called life, I'm gonna publicly relax my Se-SEE typing just in time for you to constructively and proactively make a case for something. You've got one week. Rock me, Amadeus.

[Olduvai]

Running under a skirt? Even if it were so, how the heck are you able to type any one, for it is impossible using what you both use.

Why wouldn't we be able to?

Where is the evidence to "could possibly be"? It didn't happen yet, that is, you're just content with believing it might happen, as in trying to predict the outcome (future event) without much information to begin with...

are you asking where the evidence is in this particular case?

In the same vein I can scribble that you could die tomorrow not knowing whether you're ill at all, overdosed, have AIDS and only have one day to live, etc. It is an assumption.

but in this case, I had evidence enough to say "Absurd might be ESI", and now I have evidence enough to say "Absurd might be LII"

Seems you're new to the world, so I am going to meow a bit - it carries an emotional load and is aimed at the receiver of such, be it positive or negative, in this case it was positive(?)

wat

I'm not sure whether you are emotionally retarded nor can say, but being unaware of what you tell people and the impact your words can make on them, makes me wonder whether it is intended and aimed at manipulation of some sorts

not sure what you're referring to

- if so, I won't continue this and going to piss on you. I am allowed to after my beer.

you're not pissing on me, you're pissing into the wind

[kopyk]

*crushes scouter* damn, the IQ level in here is at 9001.... but how can that be!!!

[Absurd]

Why wouldn't we be able to?

Get Aylen here and show me on, say, three samples. Three test subjects to type.

It is interesting to see you two work in tandem, though. Hmm, heh.

are you asking where the evidence is in this particular case?

Yes, evidence. Hard evidence for, not against. In criminal blablah you don't bust people on "he may be or he might be."

but in this case, I had evidence enough to say "Absurd might be ESI", and now I have evidence enough to say "Absurd might be LII"

I still don't see any evidence for, not to mention against. You're talking about it all the time, but I don't see shit.

wat

Spat.

not sure what you're referring to

I am referring to the convo.

you're not pissing on me, you're pissing into the wind

I'm not pissing on you, yet. You're more impatient than me. Anyhow, it is four types now. Maritsa managed to get to eight in less than a month. Go for it.

[Aylen]

Get Aylen here and show me on, say, three samples. Three test subjects to type.

It is interesting to see you two work in tandem, though. Hmm, heh.

Are you suggesting he is, my dual (SLE), semi-dual (SEE) or mirage (ILE). I see my mirage and semi above...I spot them anywhere...How come I got to come up with examples? I am not even reading all the posts so I do not know what you want examples of.

I know my socionics

[Absurd]

Are you suggesting he is, my dual (SLE), semi-dual (SEE) or mirage (ILE). I see my mirage and semi above...I spot them anywhere...How come I got to come up with examples? I am not even reading all the posts so I do not know what you want examples of.

Reading what isn't there is established IEI trait, it seems. I've got a magic marker, yay.

No, Charlie, points towards your expertise in some matters and I want to see myself.

I know my socionics

Okay.

[Beautiful sky]

Are you suggesting he is, my dual (SLE), semi-dual (SEE) or mirage (ILE). I see my mirage and semi above...I spot them anywhere...How come I got to come up with examples? I am not even reading all the posts so I do not know what you want examples of.

I know my socionics

Aylen, what type are you? I have to add you to my list.

[Aylen]

Woof = SEE in my perception...I hold that perception loosely.

[Absurd]

...

Jim won't be able to supervise him. Me neither even though I wouldn't be able to, I am now his mirror in Charlie land. Times, they are a changing.

[Beautiful sky]

you're not pissing on me, you're pissing into the wind

I wouldn't bother arguing with Absurd. Hence his name...it's just Absurd.