And which is the least?
And which is the least?
A more sensible question might be "How does individualism manifest in different quadras?".
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
for the most part, Fe/Ti = group-oriented and Fi/Te = individualistic
anyone who says otherwise is wrong
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
NTR much?
Give definition of individualism.
For political individualism of being against institutions Gamma is the first.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Betas strive to be the most individuated, in the face of whatever cultural and ideological boundaries that are imposed upon them, and deltas, in their implicitly-respectful-of-the-interpersonal-code manner, are politically individualistic; however aristocratic types are compelled to implicitly limit the scope of freedom individuals are given, whether because of collective or operational necessity; so while alphas, being the most straitforwardly democratic, and hence the most open to liberally progressive forms of individualism, surpass the aristocratic quadras in this sense, they fall short in comparison to gammas, the latter being more authentically politically progressive, and hence individualistic in the strict sense.
Because -valuers view environmental boundaries as distinct from individuals.
Actually you can, which is what alpha best embodies. + leads to a kind of culturally laissez faire mindset. Granted they have their decorum, but I wouldn't consider it any more limiting than the bureaucratic boundaries many deltas tacitly impose, on this kind of quasi-collective level.
Lol. I've known plenty of betas who couldn't give two shits about 'teamwork' and all the idiotic, interpersonal implications it's supposed to have... and I've seen quite a few deltas fall into the campfire carol category.
Last edited by strrrng; 03-10-2014 at 02:00 AM.
4w3-5w6-8w7
Perhaps I should've said "self-centered" or "concerned primarily about the welfare of myself" instead of "individualistic", and "self-sacrificing" or "concerned primarily about the welfare of the group" instead of "group-oriented".
Also, I included the "for the most part" for a reason.
Again:
Also, what do you mean by "idiotic, interpersonal implications", and what do you mean by "campfire carol"?
Wow, really?
Why "don't" "you" "try" to think about what "others" are saying before you "respond" with an "asinine" comment?
Delta NF have Fe observing and demonstrative. The IE are not in a bubble, all types including DELTAs use them. Get yourself straight boy, cause you got it all wrong.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
wow @William that was so fucking insightful lol. and spot on. How can you be so annoying yet so smart at the same time. =)
^ We just need an ILI to click "like" to this and then the circle would be complete.
Define "individualistic" - you know what I mean?
In the stereotypical sense of the green-haired, nape pierced, lesbian-heading toward-****** on the motorcycle with the iPod blaring outlaw country set to ambient techno… Probably a beta.
But if you're talking about the guy who lives out in the middle of nowhere, who nobody one sees unless it's that one day per month he drives into town to get something like an irregular sized hex nut to fix the broken-down lawnmower he found junked on someone else's lawn… Probably a delta.
And on and on… It applies to all four quadras. (And these are not hard and fast rules, by any means.)
What I observe is that the whole society is growing more and more individualistic. I'm speaking for Germany here, I don't know what it's like in the US - I guess American people still have their patriotism that keeps them kind of together. We Germans don't have that for obvious reasons - we're only patriots when there's a soccer championship going on. I guess, that's why individualism falls on fertile soil in my country - despite our overall LSI mentality.
I can see, Fi egos are especially individualistic people. But some people are just self-absorbed and want to do everything their own way.
Deltas are the most individualistic in business settings. They'll work in their own way and for themselves.
Betas are the most individualistic in social settings. They'll "emote" in their own way and for themselves.
Alphas and Gammas are like shadows of the above two. They're individualistic privately, internally - Alphas about their concepts (Ti), and Gammas about their personal bonds (Fi)
"Not a team player" - I haven't been called that, but I probably have been perceived that in certain "teams" I have been on. An example was teaching in a school with many ESE's. I wasn't on board with all they chose for us to do and while I did not usually ever protest it (seeing the pointlessness of that)I I avoided supporting their endeavors whenever I could. I am sure I was not seen as a big "team" person on that team, that I was required to be a member of. Though I made sure I did the bare minimum, at least, out of duty.
But as to a team I choose - I am really big on the integrity of that. My family, for example. My Dual-fiance, us, as a team - we are both into our integrity in that so much that we are willing to endure discomfort and inconvenience in order to uphold it. I care about the integrity of my Church, often experiencing growing pains, often making human errors, often infiltrated with those of their own agenda not the team's agenda. Its my team and I really care about the integrity of it. And I am personally offended when "team members" compromise its integrity. Also I work for a school district that excels in integrity, and I really feel good to be apart of it.
So that's why @Maritsa's comment made sense to me.