Article: Duality Relations ESTp and INFp by Stratiyevskaya

[Living 2Day]

Questions regarding SLE/ESTp Female and IEI/INFp Duality:
Thanks and all assistance is greatly apprecaited!

Warning: I am not trying to offend any personality types or make generalizations, and I apologize if anyone is. I am just curious about the subject.

What does this description by Stratiyevskaya mean, I thought ESTps were aggressors and initiative in attraction? A few statements I am specifically (bolded) confused about, I would appreciate if people could elaborate on what I highlighted and share their opinion if they view it as an accurate characteristic of the beta duality.

-Why is this caused by a spoiled IEI, and is the SLE really "patient, loyal, selflessly devoted woman"?

-Why is the situation further agrravated the longer the relation remains "uncertain"?

-"On the hook", what the ****, would an ESTp female really put up with being "on the hook"?!?

-Why and how do the ESTp female become more ethically dependent on the IEI male? Does the ESTp female look at the IEI male for ethical guidances and right or wrong?

-Is this duality more common between SLE logicial subtype and IEI ethical subtype?

Under which conditions does this happen? Most often this occurs when the IEI is a spoiled, over-pampered man with elevated self appraisal, while the SLE is a patient, loyal, selflessly devoted woman who takes on the function not only of his wife but also that of his mother (we have already discussed such an example). It is clear from the first glance that this is not the most beneficial and successful coupling. The situation is further aggravated the longer their relations remain ethically and socially uncertain. Let's recall that the first mistake of the SLE woman in our previous example has been that she was in a hurry to legalize her relations. And she is not the only one who commits such a mistake. For a SLE woman, as for any other woman of logical-sensing type of the second quadra, it is very important to consolidate her relations with a certain social status. This is understandable: she strives to reinforce her weak ethical and intuitive aspects with her stronger aspects of sensing and "localized" logic of relations (logic of "systems" or "hierarchical structures"). That is, the reasoning here goes something like this: "It's not clear how our relations will develop, but at least there will be a stamp in the passport. Then he won't be able to simply leave me. I'll take it up to local union/court - I will find him anywhere ..." Such a straightforward and ambitious partner may resort to any means and make any sacrifices and concessions in order to "get the man" that she wants.

But here the IEI won't be in a hurry, because it will be important for him to first secure his own influence. He finds himself in a situation where his every wish is being met, and even makes his partner beg him for this "favor". Acting in this manner he intuitively "out-plays" his partner, keeps her "on the hook", and sets his own pace and tone to the development of their relations. At this stage, the IEI may be tempted to fall into a role of a pampered, moody child who pulls and pulls from his "good aunt/mother" (as much as it's permitted by his "intuition of possibilities" which outlines for him the "permissible limit" of what he can get).

Here it would be nice for the SLE to apply his "knowledge of life", to assess the situation from the point of view of "opposition of partners", to understand that he is being tested and invited to measured up his skill. This is the situation to use his authoritarian tone and to "show who's boss". And how could it be otherwise? Should he tolerate the tantrums of his dual? Give in to the demonstrative sentimentality? We have already seen where this will lead him. Here what is important is the level of development of SLE's normative "intuition of possibilities" (channel 3-7): will he pick up "which way the wind is blowing" and notice that his partner is testing him for how easily he will give in, by which the IEI also asserts his own rights to all-permissiveness?

In the meantime, the situation becomes more complicated ethically. The SLE becomes more and more ethically vulnerable to and dependent on the IEI. Besides, the SLE is very limited in his actions: certain ethical inertness and straightforwardness typical of the representative of this type prevent them from changing their tactics at the right time (especially since they aren't always able to sense the "right time"). Again, a SLE woman may decide to not force things due to gender roles: "a woman should not impose herself on the man". In this respect SLE men have certain advantages: they can take their dual "by the storm" giving the IEI little time to think things over. SLE woman cannot press things in such a manner, especially if she holds herself to typical gender prejudices. Thus, an IEI man is often able to "stretch out the time", and therefore subordinate his partner to his will and wishes and restrain her by fear: "who knows if we'll get married or not?" She, in the meanwhile, grows nervous and painfully aware of her ambiguous position (in understanding of the second quadra), and at the same time she starts developing a way to "guarantee" her future; for example, she may even become pregnant to oblige him to marry her.

Even the IEI men? For them this sometimes manifests this even more vividly than for IEI women. It is clear that such an emotional range practically deprives the SLE of any ethical initiatives (and this is another aspect of these dual relations). It is clear that on emotional-ethical plane the SLE is not only relaxed by the IEI but also almost hypnotized by him. (Zhukov relaxes and becomes suggested by the aspect of "intuition of time" which is the "program" aspect of the IEI.) IEI's emotions have a fascinating and alluring effect on the SLE; the SLE is not only open but also helpless before them.

[Sol]

Stratiyevskaya is not authoritative source to discuss it in details. While socionics books are interesting only for basic theory.

[Beautiful sky]

I'll review this when I get home

[Tigerfadder]

The SLE women is one of the most gender neutral types there is. I do not believe them identify heavily with gender. IEI male I have not seen so many examples of.

But I do not think IEI male to be the dick of the world of all the types. I think them would theoretically be kind of neutral when all comes around. Duality work so that SLE have a 3d and 4d egoblock which is a weakness of the IEI whom borrow the strength of SLE to cover up weakspots and verse versa.

[niffer]

the dick of the world of all the types

this wording

[Tigerfadder]

this wording

It happens. Taking it out of its context and it make no sense.

[Sol]

I do not believe them identify heavily with gender.

People have "sex" identity, while the term "gender" is nonsense for normal people. As for common women social role/duty, the main are to born children, to rise them and care about home. ESTP women want to do this not lesser than women of other types. They do it in authoritarian and active style, what traditions relate to men. Mostly because of pre-industrial culture when women were limited due to constant pregnancy and the need to care about many children, while men had much more possibilities to be leaders and for external activity.
I had ESTP grandmother, she was like a home commander. Liked to be leader everywhere, was severe sometimes. Family had all they needed on material level, but not much of kind words. She had no problems with socialization being ESTP-woman and there was no general thought about her as inappropriate. Some men could like this in women, other not, - nothing special.

But I do not think IEI male to be the dick of the world of all the types.

Yes. I described ESTP-woman example I saw close. Similarly there are no problems for INFP-men just because of their type. To fit average social requirements, where most people live, type is not a serious limitation.

[Beautiful sky]

Okay I'm ready now

Some time ago a certain SLE physical trainer became very interested in me trough online dating. He lived in the east coast but was considering moving to California. He was well off because he sold his house and purchased another in the Foothill mountains area, which is a very expensive area. I want to recall our interaction while we were dating. First off he seemed very ethical person and very accommodating. He loved food and all sorts of sensory experience and he was quite adventurous. He loved the idea of being the strong person so he really love sort of delicate, shy, quiet women (I am all these things). Because of his strong ethics he often spoke about being a devoted husband and what he would do to be a provider, the man of the house. I mistook all these things for my dual of course, mostly because I was young to socionics and all the values seemed to point to ST but more towards extraversion but back then I didn't know how to discern J from P. Such a small difference but so huge in the outcome.

So yes, SLE are family men. They want to be the man with strong will to their wife but they are not controlling of the plan or things to do as LSE are. SLE take quick and direct action to be with someone. He moved within weeks and took up a job here within weeks and was so well established in almost no time. That was just so quick. My duals would not be so quick, they have to take action only when they think about everything and they don't let their emotions control their logic. I feel like SLE, though a logical type, do let that happen.

"-"On the hook", what the ****, would an ESTp female really put up with being "on the hook"?!?"
I don't know what you're trying to ask here

"-Why and how do the ESTp female become more ethically dependent on the IEI male? Does the ESTp female look at the IEI male for ethical guidances and right or wrong?"

All ethical types make moral and some kind of judgement on actions and values. ESTp wants to align their own values to someone to have a solid framework of the sameness feeling. They care about ethics yes.

[Chacha]

-Why and how do the ESTp female become more ethically dependent on the IEI male? Does the ESTp female look at the IEI male for ethical guidances and right or wrong?

SLE doesn't give a damn about right or wrong and morals. SLE is just a bit direct and harsh in its speech, and way to communicate with people. The IEI is gentle, tactful and refined, and that's what the SLE needs and admire.
SLE needs to be more tactful about the way they express themselves, even though they are right about defending their terriroty and will, they can be kinda mean doing it. What they need is just to be more tactful and socially appropriate while doing so, and that's how the Diplomatic IEI can be useful.

Then Introverted Ethics are little concern for both types.

I didn't understand the rest of your questions.

[Tigerfadder]

Id like to know how to hunt down female SLE, how to dress, what accessories to take their attention, what venues to look at, what is the bait that make them stop doing what they doing?

[Chae]

Id like to know how to hunt down female SLE, how to dress, what accessories to take their attention, what venues to look at, what is the bait that make them stop doing what they doing?

You don't hunt down an SLE, the SLE hunts you :3 Using their cuteness



Don't count on gender socialization, the SLE girls don't care.
Everything else goes against their nature unless you are dealing with a strong Ti-subtype and an SP/SO variant. Which is unlikely, SLE is the quintessential SX/__.

The more deliberate you are, the less you sport the `victim allure´ that an SLE loves and needs. Venue, clothes, techniques, forget it. Ni is the eternal true Se magnet, everything else is not exciting enough. You either have it or you don't when dealing with an aggressor type. Your only hope is that because INFp men are so rare, the female SLE radar is extended and checks out Fe types, too. Same with my duals, all the countless SEEs are dead inside as ILIs are statistically unicorns* and their relationships do not fulfil their subconscious wants. That's why they look for ESIs and LIEs as well.

In a nutshell: If you want to successfully date an SLE, be as Beta as possible.


*this does not apply to online forums. INxx types are technically all netizens. Tumblr is overpopulated by us. SxE and xSEs should stop paying for dating websites/ alcohol in stupid bars and create an account there instead. You're welcome.

[Tigerfadder]

You don't hunt down an SLE, the SLE hunts you :3 Using their cuteness



Don't count on gender socialization, the SLE girls don't care.
Everything else goes against their nature unless you are dealing with a strong Ti-subtype and an SP/SO variant. Which is unlikely, SLE is the quintessential SX/__.

The more deliberate you are, the less you sport the `victim allure´ that an SLE loves and needs. Venue, clothes, techniques, forget it. Ni is the eternal true Se magnet, everything else is not exciting enough. You either have it or you don't when dealing with an aggressor type. Your only hope is that because INFp men are so rare, the female SLE radar is extended and checks out Fe types, too. Same with my duals, all the countless SEEs are dead inside as ILIs are statistically unicorns* and their relationships do not fulfil their subconscious wants. That's why they look for ESIs and LIEs as well.

In a nutshell: If you want to successfully date an SLE, be as Beta as possible.


*this does not apply to online forums. INxx types are technically all netizens. Tumblr is overpopulated by us. SxE and xSEs should stop paying for dating websites/ alcohol in stupid bars and create an account there instead. You're welcome.

I appreciate your time. Who is that lady in the gif? But it is not good enough that nothing to be done to speed up the collecting of female SLE's. Not all of them know Socionics so the 'looking for SLE' shirt wont do it. How to act as beta as possible? This victim allure sounds very ineffective way to meet people.

[YXPR]

Id like to know how to hunt down female SLE, how to dress, what accessories to take their attention, what venues to look at, what is the bait that make them stop doing what they doing?

-Write her a song

-Tell her you think she's pretty

-Tell her she doesn't have to try to fit in because she's sexier when she doesn't

-Smile when she walks into the room

I did the 2nd, the 3rd and the 4th to an SLE girl without actually paying attention (I'm not into girls) and she asked me out. I was just stating facts lol.

[Tigerfadder]

-Write her a song

-Tell her you think she's pretty

-Tell her she doesn't have to try to fit in because she's sexier when she doesn't

-Smile when she walks into the room

I did the 2nd, the 3rd and the 4th to an SLE girl without actually paying attention (I'm not into girls) and she asked me out. I was just stating facts lol.

What was the setting that made you met this women many times?

[Persephone]

-Write her a song

-Tell her you think she's pretty

-Tell her she doesn't have to try to fit in because she's sexier when she doesn't

-Smile when she walks into the room

I did the 2nd, the 3rd and the 4th to an SLE girl without actually paying attention (I'm not into girls) and she asked me out. I was just stating facts lol.

This actually would work with a lot, bravo (apart the song part maybe)

[Sol]

This actually would work with a lot, bravo (apart the song part maybe)

this will work with any type that just expresses you like someone

[YXPR]

this will work with any type that just expresses you like someone

Well it wouldn't work with me. I think there are plenty ways of expressing you like someone. Not everybody would do it like that.

[Persephone]

Well it wouldn't work with me. I think there are plenty ways of expressing you like someone. Not everybody would do it like that.

I swear it would work with a lot of girls though.

[Pookie]

I found your format for presenting the questions kinda difficult.
Can you just state the questions by themselves?

[YXPR]

School

[Olimpia]

The SLE women is one of the most gender neutral types there is. I do not believe them identify heavily with gender. IEI male I have not seen so many examples of.

(...) I think them would theoretically be kind of neutral when all comes around.

As far as I know, SLE women are certainly more "masculine" than the average woman in certain ways, for example in the way they have this "take-charge" attitude, are logical and down-to-earth, and don't waste their time on emotional trifles. Even so, they typically are still aware of what makes them sexually desirable to others. So, while they may work out their muscles, they still retain some kind of attachment to a bit of femininity in their appearance. In comparison, I find LSIs come across as even less feminine than them. Could have something to do with Fe HA vs Fe DS, and also most SLEs being SX first while many LSIs are Sp/Sx.

IEI men, well... I don't have that big of a sample size on them either. One of the few I am sure of being IEI is gay, haha, so there is that too.
All in all, they generally don't come across as being super "feminine", but you can certainly tell they are "softies" and tend to lack most qualities you'd judge to be as "masculine".
IEI and EII are probably the guys who most often come across as the most "feminine" types for men, so... make of that what you will.

First off he seemed very ethical person and very accommodating. He loved food and all sorts of sensory experience and he was quite adventurous. He loved the idea of being the strong person so he really love sort of delicate, shy, quiet women (I am all these things). Because of his strong ethics he often spoke about being a devoted husband and what he would do to be a provider, the man of the house.

Sounds to me like he was an SEE over SLE, pretty much.

You don't hunt down an SLE, the SLE hunts you :3 Using their cuteness



Don't count on gender socialization, the SLE girls don't care.
Everything else goes against their nature unless you are dealing with a strong Ti-subtype and an SP/SO variant. Which is unlikely, SLE is the quintessential SX/__.

The more deliberate you are, the less you sport the `victim allure´ that an SLE loves and needs. Venue, clothes, techniques, forget it. Ni is the eternal true Se magnet, everything else is not exciting enough. You either have it or you don't when dealing with an aggressor type. Your only hope is that because INFp men are so rare, the female SLE radar is extended and checks out Fe types, too. Same with my duals, all the countless SEEs are dead inside as ILIs are statistically unicorns* and their relationships do not fulfil their subconscious wants. That's why they look for ESIs and LIEs as well.

In a nutshell: If you want to successfully date an SLE, be as Beta as possible.


*this does not apply to online forums. INxx types are technically all netizens. Tumblr is overpopulated by us. SxE and xSEs should stop paying for dating websites/ alcohol in stupid bars and create an account there instead. You're welcome.

A lot of things I agree with you on here!

I'd just add that IME, most male SLEs and SEEs of both genders "give up" on finding someone with Ni (mostly unconsciously), so most of them simply end up marrying their Dual's Look-A-Likes, SEI and SLI respectively.

Having said that, I have found that female SLEs tend to go for fellow Beta STs, actually. I do believe this is tied to gender roles. That is a point where I would disagree with you – most SLEs tend to relate to common gender roles to some extent and care for certain social expectations. SLE women already consider themselves to be somewhat more "strong" and such, so they look for someone who is on that same level or perhaps even a tiny bit stronger. It is rare for them to actually go for the "soft", romantic, and socially/culturally not as "masculine" IEI man. So, while SLE women defy certain female stereotypes, they still would refrain from dating someone who they perceive as being significantly "weaker" and less "masculine" than themselves, for the most part. That is also why I believe female SLE - male IEI Duality to be a pretty tricky one. Socially/Culturally it does not really happen – not only because the types are rare, but also because it is against the female SLE's expectations. I could only see female SLEs going for IEIs or similar guys when they are Sx/So – contraflow. Stackings from the contraflow generally care less about social norms and expectations, so an Sx/So SLE would much more likely go against that with their dating choice.

I appreciate your time. Who is that lady in the gif?

That is Ronda Rousey, who I also believe to be an SLE lady.

[Olimpia]

Questions regarding SLE/ESTp Female and IEI/INFp Duality:
Thanks and all assistance is greatly apprecaited!

Warning: I am not trying to offend any personality types or make generalizations, and I apologize if anyone is. I am just curious about the subject.

What does this description by Stratiyevskaya mean, I thought ESTps were aggressors and initiative in attraction? A few statements I am specifically (bolded) confused about, I would appreciate if people could elaborate on what I highlighted and share their opinion if they view it as an accurate characteristic of the beta duality.

-Why is this caused by a spoiled IEI, and is the SLE really "patient, loyal, selflessly devoted woman"?

-Why is the situation further agrravated the longer the relation remains "uncertain"?

-"On the hook", what the ****, would an ESTp female really put up with being "on the hook"?!?

-Why and how do the ESTp female become more ethically dependent on the IEI male? Does the ESTp female look at the IEI male for ethical guidances and right or wrong?

-Is this duality more common between SLE logicial subtype and IEI ethical subtype?

Under which conditions does this happen? Most often this occurs when the IEI is a spoiled, over-pampered man with elevated self appraisal, while the SLE is a patient, loyal, selflessly devoted woman who takes on the function not only of his wife but also that of his mother (we have already discussed such an example). It is clear from the first glance that this is not the most beneficial and successful coupling. The situation is further aggravated the longer their relations remain ethically and socially uncertain. Let's recall that the first mistake of the SLE woman in our previous example has been that she was in a hurry to legalize her relations. And she is not the only one who commits such a mistake. For a SLE woman, as for any other woman of logical-sensing type of the second quadra, it is very important to consolidate her relations with a certain social status. This is understandable: she strives to reinforce her weak ethical and intuitive aspects with her stronger aspects of sensing and "localized" logic of relations (logic of "systems" or "hierarchical structures"). That is, the reasoning here goes something like this: "It's not clear how our relations will develop, but at least there will be a stamp in the passport. Then he won't be able to simply leave me. I'll take it up to local union/court - I will find him anywhere ..." Such a straightforward and ambitious partner may resort to any means and make any sacrifices and concessions in order to "get the man" that she wants.

But here the IEI won't be in a hurry, because it will be important for him to first secure his own influence. He finds himself in a situation where his every wish is being met, and even makes his partner beg him for this "favor". Acting in this manner he intuitively "out-plays" his partner, keeps her "on the hook", and sets his own pace and tone to the development of their relations. At this stage, the IEI may be tempted to fall into a role of a pampered, moody child who pulls and pulls from his "good aunt/mother" (as much as it's permitted by his "intuition of possibilities" which outlines for him the "permissible limit" of what he can get).

Here it would be nice for the SLE to apply his "knowledge of life", to assess the situation from the point of view of "opposition of partners", to understand that he is being tested and invited to measured up his skill. This is the situation to use his authoritarian tone and to "show who's boss". And how could it be otherwise? Should he tolerate the tantrums of his dual? Give in to the demonstrative sentimentality? We have already seen where this will lead him. Here what is important is the level of development of SLE's normative "intuition of possibilities" (channel 3-7): will he pick up "which way the wind is blowing" and notice that his partner is testing him for how easily he will give in, by which the IEI also asserts his own rights to all-permissiveness?

In the meantime, the situation becomes more complicated ethically. The SLE becomes more and more ethically vulnerable to and dependent on the IEI. Besides, the SLE is very limited in his actions: certain ethical inertness and straightforwardness typical of the representative of this type prevent them from changing their tactics at the right time (especially since they aren't always able to sense the "right time"). Again, a SLE woman may decide to not force things due to gender roles: "a woman should not impose herself on the man". In this respect SLE men have certain advantages: they can take their dual "by the storm" giving the IEI little time to think things over. SLE woman cannot press things in such a manner, especially if she holds herself to typical gender prejudices. Thus, an IEI man is often able to "stretch out the time", and therefore subordinate his partner to his will and wishes and restrain her by fear: "who knows if we'll get married or not?" She, in the meanwhile, grows nervous and painfully aware of her ambiguous position (in understanding of the second quadra), and at the same time she starts developing a way to "guarantee" her future; for example, she may even become pregnant to oblige him to marry her.

Even the IEI men? For them this sometimes manifests this even more vividly than for IEI women. It is clear that such an emotional range practically deprives the SLE of any ethical initiatives (and this is another aspect of these dual relations). It is clear that on emotional-ethical plane the SLE is not only relaxed by the IEI but also almost hypnotized by him. (Zhukov relaxes and becomes suggested by the aspect of "intuition of time" which is the "program" aspect of the IEI.) IEI's emotions have a fascinating and alluring effect on the SLE; the SLE is not only open but also helpless before them.

With the first paragraph I felt like Stratiyevskaya might have been describing a different Duality pair altogether. Actually, it made me rather think of a bad case of EII-LSE Duality.
Especially this bit of the second paragraph sounded a lot like a Caretaker having to deal with a poorly adapted Childlike type:

"At this stage, the IEI may be tempted to fall into a role of a pampered, moody child who pulls and pulls from his "good aunt/mother" (as much as it's permitted by his "intuition of possibilities" which outlines for him the "permissible limit" of what he can get)."

While some tidbits I could somewhat relate to and find apply more to SLE-IEI Duality, primarily this one:

In this respect SLE men have certain advantages: they can take their dual "by the storm" giving the IEI little time to think things over. SLE woman cannot press things in such a manner, especially if she holds herself to typical gender prejudices. Thus, an IEI man is often able to "stretch out the time", and therefore subordinate his partner to his will and wishes and restrain her by fear: "who knows if we'll get married or not?" She, in the meanwhile, grows nervous and painfully aware of her ambiguous position (in understanding of the second quadra)

I imagine this scenario to be difficult for female SLEs, because, just like she said, the gender expectations make the SLE woman hold back from "taking the IEI by storm", essentially using her Aggressor Romance tactics to "convince" the IEI and turn him towards her, and secure the union. In our society, this behaviour is attributed to the male, so the female SLE feels obliged to wait for this kind of initiative from the man, but it won't come from a male IEI (because he is a Victim and not an Aggressor type). This is something I have experienced myself with Victim men, and it is pretty frustrating. No wonder most female SLEs tend to date fellow Aggressor men who will make the most out of this gender convention, so she has not to worry about it.

All in all, based on my impression I believe Stratiyevskaya ended up mixing LSE-EII and SLE-IEI Duality together in this writing, with a tendency towards the former Duality pair actually.

Now unto answering your questions as best as I can.

Why is this caused by a spoiled IEI, and is the SLE really "patient, loyal, selflessly devoted woman"?
As you may have read above, I actually believe this is a misattribution to IEIs and SLEs, and rather a case of a Childlike EII not being familiar with the Caretaking of a Caretaker, his LSE Dual in particular.

Why is the situation further agrravated the longer the relation remains "uncertain"?
I am assuming Deltas place a high importance on stable, well-established unions (characterized as valuing Si, Te and Fi).
It is usually the role of the Ethical type to "define" what a relationship is. When a Logical Fi-seeking type like LSE does not get this kind of definition so to speak, they will become uneasy and wary.
An LSE would show this kind of "aggravation" more openly, while I have noticed with LIEs, especially LIE-Ni, they will internally feel this vague discomfort but because of their "Victimness" not bring it up.

"On the hook", what the ****, would an ESTp female really put up with being "on the hook"?!?
Haha, not exactly sure. I suppose Stratiyevskaya tried to describe that supposedly the IEI man will throw out little crumbs of promises, calming down the ethically confused Dual, assuring them that "all is well" and "we will just go with what the day brings", without defining the relationship and "putting a label on it". I don't think this is necessarily characteristic of IEIs specifically, but rather anyone who is not entirely interested in their partner but also too shy or concerned with not hurting the other's feelings, so they never address the fact they are not truly into them. I'd say this is a common problem for disinterested IxFx people, but I have also seen it with some xEE women with a strong Fi subtype.

Why and how do the ESTp female become more ethically dependent on the IEI male? Does the ESTp female look at the IEI male for ethical guidances and right or wrong?
Again, to me it sounds more like the LSE becoming more ethically dependent on the EII, because they are Fi seeking and unconsciously constantly searching for moral guidelines on what is right or wrong.
In comparison, I find SLEs don't become dependent on moral reassurance or guidelines, but rather experience hurt when they do something wrong and/or their partner scolds them for it. IEIs take the moral issues on their shoulders so the SLE does not have to worry about them. The SLE does not actually want to be educated about what is right or wrong and such, which I believe is rather something an LSE or LIE is unconsciously looking for. To illustrate: An LSE or LIE would secretly enjoy going to Ethics class and learn more from the EII or ESI teacher, while the SLE and ILE would skip the class and let the IEI or SEI do the homework for them.

Is this duality more common between SLE logicial subtype and IEI ethical subtype?
I'd say this Duality is more common between SLE Sx/So and IEI -whatever-.
It seems like the Sx/So kind of SLE is actually usually Ti subtype, so you could be right with suggesting that this kind of duality is more common for the SLE-Ti.
I find the Ti subtype of SLE is rather rare, and when it appears it has been always a male in my experience. Again, this could be another factor why Duality between a female SLE and male IEI is so rare.

[Living 2Day]

Thanks for the constructive and thorough replies. Greatly appreciate it!