I think she is overrated.Originally Posted by UDP III
I think she is overrated.Originally Posted by UDP III
!!Originally Posted by implied
is ellen pompeo an ESFp? I think I know what you're talking about re appearance.
Matthew, I wasn't sure. I made that thread a long time ago I think. People here VI'ed him ISTx.
Here's a thought to try on for size: what if Björk is really an ISTp?
She's not ESFp FOR SURE! I think she's ENTp.
- She said that she would never wear ordinary jeans and t-shirt 'cause that would be an approbation for American imperialism.
- She hates stabilization, she declares she loves to try new thinks with new people.
- She can be harsh. She had announced that the only religion she accepts is buddhism but when she found out that they believe in reincarnation she said '...so fuck Bhuddhists'.
INFp(INTp)
"I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world"
lol, you think ESFjs can't be harsh like that? i'm pretty sure she's not ESFp as well though.Originally Posted by Hashish
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
yeah, doesn't that sound Fe? i agree w/ you.Originally Posted by hkkmr
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Björk is so lovable I'm almost ready to dispense with every other ESFj I've known as being ESFj and put them in another category, any category, just for her sake ... 'cause if she is truly ESFj, then most all the rest have simply gone wrong.Originally Posted by implied
(I most likely just haven't known enough ESFjs. No offense to any ESFjs out there, k? )
ISFp just seems so much more likely ...
Originally Posted by astralsilky
no, it's really odd to me, too. i feel almost exactly the same way about her. she'd be like some sort of exemplary ESFj goddess or something.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
is bjork a caretaker or an infantile?
I don't think she's a caretaker. I have a hard time seeing her as someone who is driven to take care of the physical needs of someone else.
My brother is an ESFj and he's also very much into personality type, although he doesn't really participate in forums (I rarely see ESFjs in these kinds of forums, even if they're interested in the subject). He read over this thread with me. Neither of us thinks Bjork is an ESFj. Bill Cosby, Tom Cruise, Salma Hayek....Bjork? No way does she fit into that grouping, and I think they're all definitely ESFjs.
My brother said she's too cool to be an ESFj. I would say she's too self-contained. ESFjs are uncool, that's one of the secrets about them. They want to be "in", but not necessarily "it". They can go a little too far in their emotional expression, too passionate, too goofy. In their emotional expression....but not their physical appearance. They tend to dress in stylish, flattering, conventional styles. They don't wear ballet dresses to the prom and they don't wear swan dresses to the Oscars. Their good looks, conventionality and style are a facade, that mask that passionate craziness within. Bjork is the opposite I think. On the inside she's settled, calm and directed, cool as my brother would say. But on the outside she keeps you on your toes.
Another thing, rmcnew honed in on the quote about taking the children into nature. My brother put it better than I could. That's not actual , that's idolized. Sounds like someone who values it, but lives it?
EII
4w5, sp/sx
COME TO MEOriginally Posted by Danielle
I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU
PROTECT YOU
COME, CALM DOWN
YOU'RE EXHAUSTED
COME LIE DOWN
YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN
I UNDERSTAND
WOO-ooo-OO-ooo-oo-ooo
WOO-ooo-OO-ooo-oo-ooo
you know
that i adore you
you know
that i love you
so don't make me say it
it would burst the bubble
break the charm
JUMP OFF
YOUR BUILDING'S ON FIRE
AND I'LL CATCH YOU
I'LL CATCH YOU
DESTROY ALL
THAT IS KEEPING YOU DOWN
AND THEN I'LL NURSE YOU
I'LL NURSE YOU
WOO-ooo-OO-ooo-oo-ooo ...
-- björk lyrics circa 1993
I don't think lyrics are a great way to determine someone's type. They're often a fantasy, the kind of person someone thinks they are but really aren't. Actually, more the kind of person they want or have been forced to be. I think the Erotic Attitudes can definitely be mixed up if you go by lyrics and self-statements.
I'm an Infantile-type, but I've written hundreds of songs and I'm a caretaker in just about all of them. For two reasons: One, that's my idea of loving, being taken care of. So I write myself as that person. Two, since I've frequently had relationships with non-Caretakers (mainly infantiles and victims), I've had to take that role since I couldn't be my natural Infantile self.
I also think Victim-types often portray themselves as Aggressors.
EII
4w5, sp/sx
I tend to think that fantasies reflect our deepest selves ~ either who we are deep inside, or projections of what we want, as you already said. I still think her lyrics could be SOME evidence ... and ~ (not that it's worth much) ~ I *can* picture Björk in a caretaking role. Also, her lyrics in other songs ... such as Charlene.Originally Posted by Danielle
Not to mention that a lot of people don't even write their own music.Originally Posted by Danielle
Come to Me-- I don't necessarily find those lyrics to be representative of a caretaker. She's saying, essentially, come lie in my arms and i'll comfort you *emotionally*. *tries to think of a type that wouldn't say, lie down if a person is exhausted* ? Of course, Si people can also say these lyrics.. but it's not what i think of when i think of si lyrics.
(What do i think of? mostly what seem to be random spew of aesthetic observation devoid of metaphor-- "blue and pink and green all over it" where we're inclined to say, "over what?" as opposed to "pedalling through the dark currents, i find an accurate copy, a blueprint of the pleasure in me" --physical examples, usually nature based, metaphorically describing an emotional state. Dude, its a blueprint of the pleasure in her. No guesswork, the metaphor is spelled out. Maybe I am talking about this so much because I have always cursed that I can't make the metaphors sound less obvious myself-- i cant write Si lyrics
But ... i think MOST of her songs don't even get ambiguous that much; instead it's just full on metaphors of physical states to describe how she's feeling. Plus a worship of Si. To me, that's Ne. An INFp or ENFj might use metaphors, but they're much more fluid and obscure, and who knows, maybe they seem so because I am not Ni.
INFp: "in an interstellar burst I am back to save the universe" -- not readily translatable
Ne person "he's away...im taking an aeroplane to follow my heart"-- physical situation used to describe feelings for someone
Björk reminds me of people I have typed as INFJ, but who knows?
"Arnie is strong, rightfully angry and wants to kill somebody."
martin_g_karlsson
Björk does.Originally Posted by cracka
That's how I write poetry.Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington
i was thinking the same thing through out reading these posts.Originally Posted by Anonymous
lefty
enfj 4w5
Bjork is INFp and Beta to the max.
And I don't think that saying "I'll take care of you" would make one a Caretaker. I think it's got more to do with being an F.
And I don't even like Bjork. Not that much, anyway.
dream on, betasOriginally Posted by ScarlettLux
My Juvenile
Down the corridor
I send warmth
I send warmth
Down the staircase
I send warmth
I send warmth
Thank you for, again
To get to be able
To send warmth
To send warmth
Perhaps I set you too free
Too fast
But the intentions were pure
But the intentions were pure
[x3] My juvenile
I truly say
You are my biggest love
I clumsily try to free you from me
One last embrace
To tie a sacred ribbon
[x3] This is an offer to better the last let-go
The intentions were pure
My juvenile
[these lyrics are found on http://www.songlyrics.com]
Cocoon
who would have known : that a boy like him. would have entered me lightly. restoring my blisses. who would have known : that a boy like him. after sharing my core would stay going nowhere.
who would have known : a beauty this immense. who would have known : a saintly trance. who would have known : miraculous breath. to inhale a beard loaded with courage.
who would have known : that a boy like him. possessed of magical sensitivity. would approach a girl like me. who carresses. cradles. his head in a bosom.
he slides inside. half awake / half asleep. we faint back. into sleephood. when i wake up. the second time in his arms : gorgeousness!. he's still inside me!
? who would have known ?
a train of pearls, cabin by cabin. is shot precisely across an ocean.
from a mouth.
from.
a.
from a mouth
of a girl like me.
to a boy.
to a boy.
to a boy.
~ björk
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Clearly an aggressor. No wait ~ victim!!
I've always gotten a really strong vibe from her.
It really comes through in that video.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
Specifically in the video what I see:
Sort of exploring a curiosity of how the TV can put her into different moods or states or "weird situations". And the way she explores the circuitry. It's very metaphorical. The circuitry resembling a model of a city and sort of... bringing it to life so to speak. "This is maybe an elevator", etc. Kind of like how a person might view a computer case and sort of ponder about, maybe, little tiny men hard at work inside the computer and making what you see on the monitor possible.
The detail with which she sort of illustrates the millions of pixels on a TV collectively working together, putting it all together. It seems like she changes the scope from seeing one thing to seeing a million different things working together and then as a result sort of specifying the fear/headaches of processing the "enormity" and hypnotizing nature of seeing the TV at this "millions of pieces" level. Like almost sensory overload, (which is probably causing the hypnotic nature of it) but the actual physical size isn't changing at all. It's the mental perception of the size.
I dunno if that makes sense, but that video felt rich in themes to me.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
I hope I'm not way off base with that statement.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
yeah not sure but that made me
I wanna suck myself on to bjork like a blood leech and never let go
This is a fascinating interview between two icons within modern music. Björk interviews Arvo Pärt, who one of the most famous modern composers.
It is fascinating to see how two such different indiviudals get each other so well. I wonder if Björk is SEE and Pärt ILI. Or maybe Pärt is SEI and Björk ESE.
Btw Björk tends to exaggerate her Icelandic accent loads when she is on tv compared to how she talks in more private circles
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
That was an incredibly delightful interview!
I like Arvo Pärt's music (introduced to his music via the radio program Hearts of Space).
And, I definitely see the in him as well.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
Darkstar: If you watch other interviews with Pärt he often struggles to explain his concepts, but Björk puts him at ease and 'focuses' his line of thought if you will.
And that's a bit funny because Björk herself can seem a bit 'out there' heh (even if she isn't at all).
Mimosa: A friend who has met Björk privately, was really annoyed with her 'accent' on tv.
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
IEI, SEI? She seems some Fe subtype to me..
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
She has really interesting eye patterns...
Would anyone say that means anything, in a Socionics sense?