Bjork Gudmundsdottir

[Rubicon]

She has really interesting eye patterns...

Would anyone say that means anything, in a Socionics sense?

What do you mean by eye patterns?

[Gilly]

Obviously SEI.

[DividedsGhost]

In the videos, she often 'looks away' from the interviewer she is talking to and appears to 'space out'. I have noticed this tendency in people that are attempting to visualize something in their thoughts. By looking away and blanking out the focus of the eyes it becomes easy to let oneself visualize something upon what is being discussed at the present moment in one's thoughts. Everyone does this to an extent, but some do it with a lot more focus, much longer on average at a time, and with a much greater frequency. I think I remember hearing about a theory of the eyes suggesting that you can determine different function elements by where the person puts their eyes when looking away, but I think that's mostly untrue. But then again I really don't know.

[redbaron]

SEI of course. I her.

[Nowisthetime]

IEI

EDIT: or possilby SEI

[Nowisthetime]

Interview with her in Icelandic. It might help to see her speak her own language when typing her. Now I think she's SEI after all. Maybe creative subtype.

[Sol]

ISFP

[Beautiful sky]

ESFp

[Nowisthetime]

ESFp

Good suggestion. Why didn't I think of it?

[Shagbag The Wizard]

She does seem more SEI than SEE, although to be honest I have a hard time seeing either of those types producing work as completely abstract as hers. There has to be some strong Ni/Ne in there somewhere?

[Nowisthetime]

I have a hard time seeing either of those types producing work as completely abstract as hers. There has to be some strong Ni/Ne in there somewhere?

"Abstract" can mean many things, but in the case of Björks music I don't think it necessarily implies intuition. Could you explain what you mean when you say that her work is "abstract"?

[Shagbag The Wizard]

"Abstract" can mean many things, but in the case of Björks music I don't think it necessarily implies intuition. Could you explain what you mean when you say that her work is "abstract"?

Simply meant that the depth of symbolism in her music and videos is on a level that I would normally only expect from a well-developed intuitive ego, probably Ni > Ne.

[mfckr]

Ss can be just as oriented towards abstractions and concepts as any N. That's not really a point of difference between the two.

[Nowisthetime]

Simply meant that the depth of symbolism in her music and videos is on a level that I would normally only expect from a well-developed intuitive ego, probably Ni > Ne.

I understand what you're saying. My response would be that Socionics is not a theory of interpretation of art, it is a theory of information metabolism. We have to keep these things separate. Or maybe there is a connection, but I think it can be quite complicated. The work of many S artists can be interpreted as very symbolic, but that doesn't mean that they are using N ego function when actually producing their work.

My experience is that SEI and SEE like to "flirt" with N stuff. Dual seeking or maybe role? They can use their sensing skills to make strong images that contain many possibilities for interpretation.

Comparing Björk and for example Mozart, I'd say that Mozart is far more intuitive (Ni) when we look at how the musical expression is built. (not necessarily the interpretation).

I'm no expert in these things, I just wanted to express this as an alternative to consider in contrast to what you wrote.

[Gilly]

Bjork is definitely SEI, in my opinion, as is Mozart; I would give Beethoven, an IEI, as an appropriate contrast to Mozart in terms of using Ni vs. Si, respectively, in conjunciton with Fe: Beethoven is typically more somber, heavier, and his pieces tend to consistently develop one emotional "thesis," whereas Mozart is generally more lighthearted (even his more intense pieces like Requiem aren't nearly as emotionally "heavy" as, say, Moonlight Sonata or No. 9) and expresses more interplay of the instruments for purely aesthetic purposes, deviating from his theme to explore different sounds and changing the emotional tenor of a piece throughout its course.

[neverthesame]

I'm not sure but she could be NT, definitely N. and an introvert.

[somethingsomething]

There was a person years ago in this forum who claimed to have seen bjork take the test and that she turned out esfj. who knows who knows...

[strrrng]

SEI-Fe

[Amber]

SEI-Si

[golden]

Bjork is definitely SEI, in my opinion, as is Mozart; I would give Beethoven, an IEI, as an appropriate contrast to Mozart in terms of using Ni vs. Si, respectively, in conjunciton with Fe: Beethoven is typically more somber, heavier, and his pieces tend to consistently develop one emotional "thesis," whereas Mozart is generally more lighthearted (even his more intense pieces like Requiem aren't nearly as emotionally "heavy" as, say, Moonlight Sonata or No. 9) and expresses more interplay of the instruments for purely aesthetic purposes, deviating from his theme to explore different sounds and changing the emotional tenor of a piece throughout its course.

I know Gilly isn't here anymore, but it seems pointless to compare the music of Mozart with that of Beethoven for typing purposes, unless you want to argue that the entire ushering in of the (Early) Romantic era was a Beta thing or something, and whatever came before was an Alpha thing . . . which imo would be very silly.

Anyhow, I've always thought of Bjork as an SEI-Si prototype. And if you listen to, say, Vespertine, her work gets pretty damned heavy and grand.

[darya]

SEI-Si E9

[silke]

Updated: SEI sp/so 4w3, likely the Si subtype.

edit: now I'm not certain of her subtype

[The Reality Denialist]

Si subtype introvert. Propably SEI. She loves to understand and explain = Ti HA -> another point for SEI. Tied to sensory types of scenarios.
Very likeable.

[Chae]

It's beautifully displayed here in "The Gate" how she values /:

My healed chest wound
Transformed into a gate
Where I receive love from
Where I give love from

And I care for you, care for you
I care for you, care for you

(ethics as well)

[Tallmo]

She is a good example of SEI Creative subtype

[para]

I agree with SEI. A bit too grounded for IEI and a bit too playful and alphalike for EII.

[falsehope]

Bjork attacks a reporter:



I wonder how this translates into socionics

[The Reality Denialist]

Good example of

Bjork attacks a reporter:



I wonder how this translates into socionics

They usually get pushy only under extreme frustration.

[falsehope]

Yeah my ESE sister does it even in non-extreme situations.

[Kernel]

I like Bjork lol even if she attacked the reporter. She seems very empathetic and spontaneous.

[at sirac son of sirac]

I like Bjork lol even if she attacked the reporter. She seems very empathetic and spontaneous.

Me too, she was just stressed or something.

[vesstheastralsilky]

EDIT

ESE how could I forget what she was like in concert ?!

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I'd like Bjork even if she didn't attack the reporter.

[khcs]

Bjork Gudmundsdottir - INFP - Yesenin

[Quez]

[Still Alive]

4 dimensional Ni

EII

I think the reason why she attacked the reporter was Se as vulnerable function. types with Se as PolR are usually very calm and peaceful, but internal irritation can build up and a small thing (like the comment from the reporter who harassed her for days) can be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I don't understand these SEI typings at all. first belle delphine and now Bjork...

do you really think that a pragmatic sensing type with 1 and 2 dimensional intuitive functions would create abstract art and music like bjork does?

[Adam Strange]

Bjork is a freaking alien, perfectly brainless and perfectly self-assured. There is no way she is my EII semi-dual. I think she's mental, hence the trouble typing her.

I tend to think she's either Alpha or Beta. Watching this video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY1b...layer_embedded

to me, she seems like an extroverted IEI.

I do agree with the idea that she has high-dimensional Ni.

[Still Alive]

in the interviews I've seen of her she mentions that it's very important for her to stay true to herself, indicating strong Fi for me. I might watch more interviews in the next few days but I'm very sure of her type.

[Adam Strange]

in the interviews I've seen of her she mentions that it's very important for her to stay true to herself, indicating strong Fi for me. I might watch more interviews in the next few days but I'm very sure of her type.

I know lots of IEI's whose main concern is to be true to themselves. Their strong Ni and Fe makes them shapeshifters who assume the personal of the people they talk to. IEI's are the type most likely to see themselves as every other type, for this reason, and is why they make good therapists and very good writers. They can assume the essence of the other person, and when you do this naturally, you might be highly concerned about staying true to your self and not getting lost in someone else's character.

I can't forget the video I saw of Bjork explaining that there are little people and little cities inside her television. Where is the Te in that? I know of an EII who is a very good engineer, but not one of the dozen or so IEI's whom I know IRL get anywhere near engineering. They are all interpreting their dreams.

[Still Alive]

I know lots of IEI's whose main concern is to be true to themselves. Their strong Ni and Fe makes them shapeshifters who assume the personal of the people they talk to. IEI's are the type most likely to see themselves as every other type, for this reason, and is why they make good therapists and very good writers. They can assume the essence of the other person, and when you do this naturally, you might be highly concerned about staying true to your self and not getting lost in someone else's character.

I can't forget the video I saw of Bjork explaining that there are little people and little cities inside her television. Where is the Te in that? I know of an EII who is a very good engineer, but not one of the dozen or so IEI's whom I know IRL get anywhere near engineering. They are all interpreting their dreams.

I've actually met a couple of girls who I thought were IEI that study computer science (Ti as activating function). I think Ada Lovelace was an IEI. EII have Te as suggestive function, it's like me talking about the emotions of other people. I think that Björk is a very serious person who rarely displays emotions during interviews.



rewatching the video now, it kind of feels like she's making a Te/Fi dual comment about her music from 2:30 on. later I see some Fi elements (at 3:46). I would link her childlike behaviour from older interviews to Ne as creative function.

in my head, I compared Björk a little bit to Grimes, who I think is an IEI. Grimes is much more emotionally expressive in her interviews (Fe as creative function)