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1st impression from pics, regardless of your suggested types : I don´t really see Fe, but Fi.
Very nice poems!
My first rather strong impression is IEI. And my first impressions are very often right, though, not always.
I am particularly interested in IEI types because I am often praying that my son marries one someday (he is SLE). (Because I want him to happily experience Duality). You would think I would understand the IEI/INFp type since we share so many MBTI "letters" (INFP/ENFP, but, as you can see in Socionics Model A, there really is a very different outlook/emphasis for those two types.
But then I just saw this thread: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-IEI-portraits Wow! I never heard that about IEI males, and I don't know any IRL like that, that I can think of. So what do you think? Do you see yourself possibly ever living as any of these worse-case portraits of IEI males??? Or, do you think you might not ever get to that, for some reason (and what reason)? Perhaps a solid moral formation in childhood? That would, I think, relate to what @Pookie implies in #2 of that thread - perhaps you had the benefit of being "forced to develop ethically".
i do not see N
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
are you sarcastic to the pint of unknowingly hurting ppl's emotion?
which introversion do you have....Ni ( the one where you see the activity or event of something unfold in a long run scenario); Si (the one where the sense of an object like chocolate as an example soaks in your mind and it takes an inner world of sensation and dreaming); Fi (feelings about things get in and universes are made from which you come up with systems and judge the external by them); or Ti ( systems of thought are derived and thinking is emphasized on a topic to it's depth where systems are made)
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
oh man..you're going to get ripped to shreds with this introduction ^^
I actually DO see you as Intuitive type. But take others oppinion before mine since i'm really not that great at typing.
Your postingstyle doesn't scream Fe or Fi
I'd go for NiTe...
An IEI would paint a "different" landscape about the same stuff you're talking about. There's not too much colour, more or less a sketch of reality. I always envision IEI's to have more dreamy, aquarell mindscapes
good. Ni being a function of "prophecy", but one that, " synthesizes developments as building blocks leading to something interesting that could happen, tries to envision how and when it could happen. Ni is about development between patterns of events over time. Ni thinks "learning a language is good to reach because of the places it will bring you to." About the outcome, Ni says "that was bound to develop in that success/failure." Ni will absorb information to add them as building blocks to come to some "essence" of the ideas they're developing. Ni takes a bunch of different instances and synthesizes them together to develop them in one direction of potential development."
now which prophets in the bible do Ni?
and a scenario....
you say you're Fe Ni you observe a person's emotions...am I trustworthy?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Nothing about this says not iei.Originally Posted by McBain
IEI seek to understand, but they still desire some concreteness to that understanding. There is a difference between internal subject methods of logic when it is combined with N vs when it is combined with S. The S helps ground those subjective methods via a more concrete reality. While with N it can just go on and on, even into the bizarre.
To me, what you described is a conflict between being skeptical of Te, but just as skeptical of alpha's version of Ti.
And, I notice that when it comes to well read or intelligent IEI, they are often relabeled as being an NT, particularly if they are males. But, in fairness, my prejudices on this might be showing through here. My brother is artistic and a creative writer, with a romantic yet harsher edge to it. (Poe was his favorite poet.) But he also had a strong desire to understand, for example socionics. But it just wasn't grounded enough for his more behaviorist and biologist background. So he would spend much time and effort trying to interpret socionics from that background. Unfortunately, few people understood him and his efforts, and in trying to communicate more clearly he lost his poeticness of writing towards a negative cycle of trying to be more precise. Ultimately he left the forum, and socionics, partly because it just wasn't empirical enough for him.
Anyways, my point is that what you've written doesn't say not iei. But neither am i trying to place a label on you.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Without testing me in any way to determine any of my qualities that may not be apparent (as you tend to focus on all apparent qualities). You've determined my character quite accurately. However, this also means you're not a Negativist type. Of the positivists, you are left with Fe ego ESE and Se ego SEE. That which you call "intuition" or "gut feeling" is only coming from real observations and real data and isn't a feeling at all...it's an accumulation of experiences.
I'm debating which one to confirm and finalize.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What do you think?
-Fe = minimization or avoidance of negative emotions, prevention of quarrels, scandals, and other situations causing emotional instability, which is valued as more important than creation of positive emotional effect.
+Se = durability and resistance. This quadra is well capable of defending itself and its position. For them power is not easy to acquire, as to do this they must resist the volitional Beta quadra. However, once it is seized, they can hold on to it despite all attempts at restoration. Protectiveness, ability to defend themselves against all force, ability to keep that which was acquired - these are the principles that they respect. This quadra can be called the quadra of criticism and reforms. In contrast to the 'fire' Beta quadra, which is oriented primarily politically, this quadra is oriented more socially.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Being a "loner" or "social" is not an indication of introversion in socionics as functions are related to interaction with the world in different ways. One can be a loner and play video games all day and be either an E or I. One can be I and be very social and E and anti social. Objects of E types don't have to be people, they can be shinny objects like cars or other toys.
An SEE can have no friends but love trinkets; the same type may have lots of friends and dislike clutter; the same type may have a few friends but love all kinds of bright colored clothes...examples.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The way my supervision works is that if and only if the SEE is dead set on wanting to be accepted as a certain type and is brought proof that they may not be but that they want to hold a certain social significance anyway, they can go to great lengths to trample me by foot.
We'll wait and see. Thus far you're sort of "huh, your conclusions are interesting but not enough to change my mind even though I hardly know about socionics and all the other functions or how they relate with society and everyone else."
This can be interpreted in many ways...
Once that you may be a Static type in which case your impression of something is made up but isn't capable of being changed easily.
Two that you're still waiting on more info.
Other possible scenarios.
You get my Ne
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I do think you underestimate Maritsa's potential for violence and or agression. She's well known on the forum which basically means she has to have a certain amount of tooth and claw.
So, i'm questioning your abilty to acurately judge character, how does that make you feel/what do you think about that? (and please tell me which of the two you chose and why).
What do you think of passionate and socially unacceptable sex? (@woofwoofl is my anchor to knowing if someone is SEE, or at least if they're awesome SEE's, I call it the woofl-standard which is basically like the attractiveness scale (from one to 10) but than more about character!) ^^
@woofwoofl Since Refi's mention didn't work.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Yeah, i guess i have been, most of them "not real"" though (m.a. training). I don't really invite agression both by being tall and kinda looming and by usually just touching the line but never crossing it. However, you managed to dodge all questions and instead told me something about yourself which was related but not. Interesting
Everything on this forum can be, and should be construed as a roundabout (or not so roundabout) way of saying I want sex with you! This forum exists to telegraph my sexuality and it's direction towards you!
Seriously though, sometimes being scared isn't a fault, being couragious isn't about not being afraid, its about facing your fears /deltaquote
if you were serious about that ... Fi is the grand berating agent in someone´s make-up. I actually think you´re more likely to be a Gamma SF than a NT. Not sure about IEI , you don´t fit the standards I hold them up to lol. It could be because you´ve been encouraged to tone down Fe faced with some gender pressure. What´s your Enneagram btw , E4 cause your poetry is your life and soul or smth else.
yeah, i'm terrified of @Maritsa! If she'd ever pair up with @Saberstorm we'll have one genuine inquisition style purge of all that is wierd, abject or deviant on this forum (which, btw would probably mean 95% of the forum gets purged, thank god we have @hkkmr as moderator ;-) )
Fear does flood ones system with adraniline, and fight flight or freeze is a stupidedly non-usefull way of dealing with most stressors. That said, I'm fairfull generally mostly of sensible things like jumping out of airplanes and all the other wierd stuff we nowadays do as entertainment!
I was merely trying to rattle your cages so to say, seeing what's behind that calm and collected writingstyle. Alas, you react as a patient older brother would; slightly amused and a little bit patronizing ;-) Most SEE's do react that way to me, but they communicate a little bit less formulized and exact as you do. Not sure, still leaning LIE or something like that.
As unfortunately my Martial Arts degrees involve Krav Maga (or 'kill em dead effectively") and Capoeira (or "jump around looking silly", netting me the nickname "el giraffe" because i'm not muscular enough and too tall not to make everything look silly) I still have to find the inner calm you speak of ;-)
And: Sex Yeah!! Join the "no clothes club"!
YOU'RE NOT SEE, DON'T LISTEN TO THESE CLOWNS!
Intuitive feeler is certain. Leaning toward Beta for you, but Delta is also a possibility.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Se seeking would be more like stating something of a personal nature and inviting an Se type to give them direction...for instance
"I don't know whether I should go swimming."
In which case, if there's an Se around they will say something in the nature of "why wouldn't you" or "get up and do it" or "do what feels best to you"
All of these mean..."find the will within yourself" "learn to understand the will within you" "mobilize for action" Those are Se.
Compare that to my response
"I think you should [provided judgement] do something that's healthy for you [from my HA]."
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I feel ya... The way you express yourself is similar to the way I express myself. I have a few votes for me being SEI-ish but I have my own type, S-E-X. that stands for...
Me said: I feel I can be IEI or SEI equally.
I have created my own type. I am S.E.X.
Socially - Exploring - Xenomancer
http://www.occultopedia.com/x/xenomancy.htm
Ya think it will make the cut?
@Johannes Bloem
Back me up, bro!
Ok, I'm done, let's get serious again.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
That song wore me out.. *collapses*
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Last edited by Aylen; 02-05-2014 at 07:15 AM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
^
Hate to challenge that chicken to a dance off.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I meant assessment of aggression potential. Se - seeking is very interested in that (attentive to it) and if a person doesn´t display Se, it can seem disappointing, especially in romantically-tinged interactions. I think your picture of Se-seeking is more like a caricature ... after all remember 2 kinds of "victim types" have been spotted , one looks submissive and lost, the other arrogant and challenging, even aggressive . I think people can be quite "sensitive" and fastidious about their dual-seeking function(s) ... it´s like some hidden sensor always on.
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The past, a wandering minstrel, has made some sacrifice for something important
The present. enjoying life and the sensual pleasures, seeking adventure, or at least relief from boredom
The future, an inspiration to others, by example.
No you can't have your money back!
Edit: In my mind I really did see a "wandering minstrel" when I read your first post.
Oh and you're going to meet your dual, whatever that means, but the spirits (in my head) told me to tell you.
Last edited by Aylen; 02-05-2014 at 08:51 AM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung