Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
Consider this:

ESE has -Fe, which is the avoidance of negative emotions.
EIE has +Fe, which is the maximization of positive emotions.
But "information elements" and "socionics in general" have to do with "information processing", while "avoidance of negative emotions" and "maximization of positive emotions" have to do with "behavior". Furthermore, you're assuming we already agree that ESE has minus-Fe and EIE has plus-Fe, which clearly isn't the case.


Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
ESE is positivist; EIE is negativist. The change denotes a difference between static and dynamic types.



Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
Plus and minus is intended to give short function descriptions based on Gulenko et al.'s theoretical assumptions about Socionics. Moreover, the concept can be used to represent different facets of the theory:
So if the concept of "plus" and "minus" functions can be used to represent different "facets of the theory", then it is perfectly acceptable for me to use the signs to represent "positivism" and "negativism".


Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
ex.

Duals share the same sign, which gives us a way to represent the process ( + ) / result ( - ) dichotomy.
"Process" and "result" I think refer more to the "qualia" of information processing; that is, the "what it is like" aspect of "being type XXXx". I think "positivism" and "negativism" relate more to how information is presented by "type XXXx". It's easy to spot a "positivist" or a "negativist" if you know what to look for, and that's why I use "plus" and "minus" to denote "positivism" or "negativism".


Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
A sign is shared across supervision (e.g. LSE >> SEI >> EIE >> SEE >> LSE ) and benefit (e.g. EII >> SEI >> LSI >> ILI >> EII ) rings.
Nothing new or noteworthy about this.


Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
^ the above definition is infinitely more useful than replacing the word positivist with a "+" and negativist with a "-". Just go already if that is your contribution to this forum; kindergarten is that way ====>
"Infinitely more useful" how? And how is "replacing the word positivist with a '+' and negativist with a '-'" any different than replacing the word process with a "+" and the word result with a "-"? U no make sense.

Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
What about these examples (with regard to food or a person)?
Te sees movement
Fe mood
Ne capacities
Se outer form
Ti distance between objects
Fi attraction
Ni future
Si taste/health
With regard to the preparation of a cheeseburger:
Te: "take a spatula and flip the patty, it's crackling and starting to burn a little bit. also, the ketchup is running low"
Fe: "the patty is cooking and the condiments are being assembled, but we're out of ketchup"
Ne: "this condiment goes here, that condiment goes there"
Se: "these tomatoes are bigger than usual, and their hue is slightly fainter"
Ti: "this condiment goes here and that condiment goes there because these gastronomic standards apply"
Fi: "the cook is frustrated right now because he is overwhelmed with orders"
Ni: "the cook is gonna throw his spatula again"
Si: "if we go at six o'clock the place will be swamped"