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    https://youtu.be/Tj1Tu55BbVg?si=QUpEIcbqcOxV8i4v

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    I like that video very much. The creator of that video is probably either LII or ILE (a lot of Ti + Ne)

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    Today I stumbled upon an AI generated metal song. It kinda surprised me by its quality so I've gone ahead and listened to other AI metal songs. I ended up subscribing to two AI music channels. I'm a musician so I should have being more aware of what is going on with AI music (I mean I follow the gears and music softwares (VSTs and DAWs) news since about thirty years now (on a daily basis since 56k modems and Internet appeared in France )). So I've decided to figure out how these songs were actually made and I it's even more shockingly easy than what I have expected....


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    @godslave On a related note, I watched this the other day:



    I don't completely agree with everything he says, but I think the overarching theme and his arguments are on point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    @godslave On a related note, I watched this the other day:


    I don't completely agree with everything he says, but I think the overarching theme and his arguments are on point.
    [I don't like his condescending way of presenting his stuff. A lot of youtubers display that kind of energy and attitude, I find it very irritating. I prefer guys like Rick Beato, he's more humble and wise.]

    So basically he is saying that AI isn't human ! I agree with him for the most part because what he said is kinda obvious. But when it comes to music, the truth is that if one feels emotions when listening to it then music has accomplished its goal no matter who, how and what generated it. I mean, people enjoy video game music, chiptune music etc.. EDM is the second most popular music genre, "computer music" for God's sake.. Most people don't try to analyse music when they are listening to it because they are too busy emoting !

    Besides, trying to outsmart AI just because you know "human beings !" is just illusory giving the expected evolution of AI ( chatGPT 5 will be the real game changer). I mean even on the emotional side, AI is obviously not sentient but it doesn't need to be because we are and our emotional reactions come essentially from within us even if they can be triggered by our senses or our imagination.
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    @godslave I see it as just another tool in the arsenal for creating music. Music generated by these machine learning models and algorithms (whether it includes beats, melodies, harmony, vocals, entire arrangements, complete mixes, or just lyrics) is still based on archived data produced by humans, so in a sense everything these things output is still very much human. Just assembled or juxtaposed in different ways. Will these creations ever reach a point where they can jam and create music in real time like humans can? Probably not. But what would be the point of that, anyway.

    And I see what you mean about Adam Neely's presentation style. Many of these youtubers have a narcissistic streak to them, including Beato. Neely tends to condense more factual information into his videos, while Beato seems more creative, versatile and relatable. And of course he would be wiser, considering the discrepancy in age and experience (which he's got a ton of, in multiple facets of the music industry).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    @godslave I see it as just another tool in the arsenal for creating music. Music generated by these machine learning models and algorithms (whether it includes beats, melodies, harmony, vocals, or just lyrics) is still based on archived data produced by humans, so in a sense everything these things output is still very much human. Just assembled or juxtaposed in different ways. Will these creations ever reach a point where they can jam and create music in real time like humans can? Probably not.
    Yes I agree ! AI applied to music can be considered as some kind of assistant or a tool albeit special. I think that in matter of AI usage, the art of prompting is where the human touch is still a significant variable. I think that using the internet data is what the current AI is doing but the next generation which is coming very soon (maybe in the next two years) will be way more advanced and will generate its own original "art". That's unavoidable and the AI creative potential can be limited or should I say "controlled" only by legislations.

    That said, to me music is more than just a final "product" (that term is often used in the music industry for both "artists" and their music !). I mean actually performing music, creating it on the fly and feel the bodily sensations it gives is at least as rewarding as listening to it. Now, AI has our ears covered (no pun intended !) but what about our bellies ? I can't wait for this kind of stuff (yum-yum !)..


    And I see what you mean about Adam Neely's presentation style. Many of these youtubers have a narcissistic streak to them, including Beato. Neely tends to condense more factual information into his videos, while Beato seems more creative, versatile and relatable. And of course he would be wiser, considering the discrepancy in age and experience (which he's got a ton of, in multiple facets of the music industry).
    Indeed ! You're absolutely right in your observations !
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    LOL that was so lame with the pan fried catfish... and he didn't even ask for the utensils! I have never been able to get myself to watch any Sci-Fi shows or movies. It's a genre that never drew my attention. I do like crazy, unreal stuff, but I want it made from already existing (real) ingredients, if that makes any sense. And wasn't that guy the same actor who played the lead role in the "Quantum Leap" series? I can't remember how much of a Sci-Fi show that was, but I did like watching it as a kid. I think there was some time travel involved with some intriguing mystery plots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    I think that using the internet data is what the current AI is doing but the next generation which is coming very soon (maybe in the next two years) will be way more advanced and will generate its own original "art".
    It will still have to be based on existing art (created by humans) and/or concepts related to and comprising art (also created by humans).
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    It will still have to be based on existing art (created by humans) and/or concepts related to and comprising art (also created by humans).
    Well, I guess will have to wait and see. Maybe it will come up with a new form of musical expression ! Maybe it will find a new way of developing great music from the ashes of tonal music after the second viennese school apocalypse ! I mean anything will be better than Schoenberg's dodecaphony and musique concrète (JK !).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    LOL that was so lame with the pan fried catfish... and he didn't even ask for the utensils! I have never been able to get myself to watch any Sci-Fi shows or movies. It's a genre that never drew my attention. I do like crazy, unreal stuff, but I want it made from already existing (real) ingredients, if that makes any sense. And wasn't that guy the same actor who played the lead role in the "Quantum Leap" series? I can't remember how much of a Sci-Fi show that was, but I did like watching it as a kid. I think there was some time travel involved with some intriguing mystery plots.
    Yes, it's Scott Bakula ! Quantum Leap is one of my favorite series ever. I like all the 80's Donald Bellisario production series.

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    Another show I really liked from around that time is the Nero Wolfe Mysteries, with Tim Hutton and the fat guy playing Nero Wolfe.
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    Actually, it might have been late 90's when that was filmed.
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    My planet. Test before I came here... I'm female.

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    God is in literature and film. You saw me coming. you just didn't know it.

    A Russian Jew plays the character. I can't remember. I get these tidbits from God. I was I was female on that planet. When I came back they tested me again. My planet is equal male and female. Females are more powerful. In this way..



    Earth, the way you treat women offends me. Sorry.
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    Nightwish - Perfume Of The Timeless (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)



    This is the New Nightwish's single music video. I post it here because it seemed to me more visual than musical. The video is chock-full of Ni. That said, I found the music meh, something is missing for it to hit the Nightwish quality that I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    It's quite entertaining ! I like the narrative style !


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