I relate to most of that.
Before y'all jumps down my throat with ADHD being NTR, the way it's presented here could well be TR.
I relate to most of that.
Before y'all jumps down my throat with ADHD being NTR, the way it's presented here could well be TR.
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I don't think Ne has anything to do with attention span or forgetfulness, nor do I think the actors are ENFP. Honestly, the female strikes me as SLE.
Dude she looks interpretive/soft/intutive that is easily visible, a SLE wouldn´t even look close to that. except the / part which was correct on your side.
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take a look at her chin for example, besides that her complete body is that way even the way she walks
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Furthermore, VI.
Here is a still picture of the woman from the video:
Here are some Filatova portraits of SLE that I think look similar:
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
She's SEE
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
If this is what an SXE is like, then you're doing it wrong.
Under absolutely no circumstance is that woman any kind of sensor. Even Jung's description of Se (let alone Socionic's) has, as its kernel, the full sensory awareness of, if not absolute mastery over, one's physical environment. Prime logistical capabilities are strongly implied in all ST profiles, moreover.
1. This video is made-up. Who knows if this nameless actress is actually prone to forgetfulness.
2. An Se-ego is really just a person whose brain perceives and processes the "explicit static" properties of various "objects". But in case you disagree with my definitions, even the sociotype.com description of Se-leading disagrees with you:
The individual feels at home among people who are actively doing something and interacting with each other directly (visibly), and is able to organize people, move them around as necessary, and guide them in achieving a specific goal. He or she likes obedience and even subservience in others, since it allows him to "make things happen" more effectively. He is keenly aware of territorial conflicts and confrontational behavior occurring around him. He very quickly becomes confrontational when others try to make him move or get him to do something in an aggressive or confrontational way. He quickly recognizes when people are trying to get each other to do something or are trying to organize him for some purpose. He also spontaneously uses aggression to achieve his own goals.He wants to make all decisions himself about what he will do, wear, eat, look like, etc., and resents any attempts by others to make these decisions for him. However, he is willing to make use of other peoples' ideas, advice, and creativity, as long as he plays the most visible role. He enjoys testing his will in challenging situations and views life as a sort of obstacle course, full of adversity and challenges, that must be weathered and conquered.- See more at: http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/i....3EJpjNPj.dpuf
3. Here is the definition of "logistics":
Logistics is the management of the flow of resources between the point of origin and the point of consumption in order to meet some requirements, for example, of customers or corporations. The resources managed in logistics can include physical items, such as food, materials, equipment, liquids, and staff, as well as abstract items, such as time, information, particles, and energy. The logistics of physical items usually involves the integration of information flow, material handling, production, packaging, inventory,transportation, warehousing, and often security. The complexity of logistics can be modeled, analyzed, visualized, and optimized by dedicated simulation software. The minimization of the use of resources is a common motivation in logistics for import and export.
Given this definition, can we really say that an ST with "prime logistical capabilities" is immune to forgetfulness?
Who the actress is, is irrelevant to the OP, which was directly referring to her role in that vid (though I'm convinced she is intuitive).
What's the relevance of "explicit static" to what you just quoted? The quote doesn't touch on static anywhere, nor "explicit" ( I assume you mean external ).2. An Se-ego is really just a person whose brain perceives and processes the "explicit static" properties of various "objects". But in case you disagree with my definitions, even the sociotype.com description of Se-leading disagrees with you:
And that's a stupid definition of Se.
Everyone is prone to one or another aspect of the traits mentioned in the video. A function is better modeled as a cluster of traits. The video addressed more than just forgetfulness.3. Here is the definition of "logistics":
Given this definition, can we really say that an ST with "prime logistical capabilities" is immune to forgetfulness?
I'm not sure why you're bringing up some corporate definition of logistics, when the word is being used to refer to the management of the apparatus of day-to-day survival on a personal level.
They don't look anything alike.... VI ...
She's a sensor, sorry.
"Explicit Object Statics" are properties like "weight, height, color, texture, pitch". "External" is the word other people use, but I think "explicit" makes more sense. How can we perceive something that is "internal"? We can perceive something as being "implicit", though.
I agree, hence why I define "Se" as "Explicit Object Statics".
A "function" is a neural network that processes information. A "set" of "functions" constitutes a "type", but "type" does not solely determine "behavior". "Behavior" is the result of all of the brain's operations.
What does "logistics" mean in the context of management of day-to-day affairs, then?
They look plenty alike, you're just being stubborn.
Right, those properties work together to form a complete and confident perception of the physical world, as in the exact opposite of the chick in that video.
I'd avoid making comparisons with real sciences (i.e. "neural networks") if you don't want to sound stupid.A "function" is a neural network that processes information. A "set" of "functions" constitutes a "type", but "type" does not solely determine "behavior". "Behavior" is the result of all of the brain's operations.
It means managing the amenities for survival, taking care to make sure that the smallest details are in order and properly organized. It means having a strong measure of pragmatism (hence the "pragmatists" club) and practicality, regardless of IQ or education.What does "logistics" mean in the context of management of day-to-day affairs, then?
They look nothing alike, you're the one being stubborn. The SLEs look solid, confident, in charge and in control, both over themselves and their surroundings. She looks like a wilted flower stuck in lala land.They look plenty alike, you're just being stubborn.
During the course of the past two days I
- searched frantically for my phone, only to realize that I left it in my car, which was at the mechanics (who was going to call me when it is finished)
- searched frantically for my keys (have not found them yet)
- killed my steam cleaner because I was incapable of reading the manual carefully (reading manuals makes my brain twitch)
- stabbed myself in the foot with scissors while trying to fix said steam cleaner (don't ask)
- got up three times during the course of two minutes because I forgot yet another thing
- forgot at least three times why I went to a different room. Twice it occurred to me later, but I still wonder why I went into the basement
- moved the deadline of a big project because I could not keep up
- started a new big project roughly three hours later
- started two emails that I still have to finish
- opened and closed the book chapter I absolutely have to read roughly 10 times (read a total of 2 paragraphs)
So this video made me both laugh and cry a little...
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
What? Even sensing people misplace their shit and forget what they're doing as they walk into a new room.
When is Socionics just going to shut its doors and turn off the lights? None of you can type anybody. Nobody use VI anymore. This is all shit.
Socionics -
the16types.info
"A new study challenges the popular idea that dysfunction in dopamine — a chemical that controls the brain’s reward and pleasure centers — is the main cause of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). The U.K. researchers suggest instead that the primary cause of ADHD is found in structural differences in the brain’s grey matter."
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I have studied it since my early teens because I wanted to know what makes people the way they are.
* A good book to read for anyone interested is "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat".
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Here's an interesting connection:
The neural system of the human body consists of three stages: receptors, a neural network, and effectors. The receptors receive the stimuli either internally or from the external world, then pass the information into the neurons in a form of electrical impulses. The neural network then processes the inputs then makes proper decision of outputs. Finally, the effectors translate electrical impulses from the neural network into responses to the outside environment.
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So basically, "explicit" information originates from the "environment". It is what we immediately detect via our sensory organs. It requires no further thought or contemplation; it is "just there". "Implicit" information originates from an "operation" in the brain. It is the result of a "calculation" or a "transformation" that the function performs. It then seems reasonable to think that a person with an "explicit" primary function would seem to be "more focused on their environment" than a person with an "implicit" primary function, who would seem to be "more focused on their thought processes", and thus we have the concepts of "extroversion" and "introversion".