Why her role function? Let me guess a gut feeling?
seriously? She hates me so being an Alpha is pretty much one of the best explanations donīt worry the Inspiration concept stay due to the love/hate duality thing.
trying to move the DynamicsI can only speak for myself, but ...
surface level (NT) analysis ()there is a huge difference between quantifying one's statement as merely a gut feeling (which is a surface-level analysis)
total devauling ofand expecting said gut feeling to be taken just as seriously as a carefully thought out and well-defended analysis (or throwing around that gut feeling like it's absolute truth and should be seen as such, especially when they cannot and/or will not justify it).
"carefully thought out", "well-defended analysis" is jumping to my face here
That goes totally against I mean it is just totally impersonal it may be right to some extent but it is stated as a real argument. Also it is more unrealistic > expectations over reality.If someone expects an intuitive insight to be taken as a solid argument, it should be defendable/explainable.
Last edited by Zero11; 01-02-2014 at 06:15 PM.
I say Role because I've interacted with her a lot and think she's probably EII. I'm typing a person, not picking apart a single statement. Of course, I could be wrong about her being EII, but if she's Alpha or Beta, she's Fe ego, not Ti.
I don't know what your type is so I can't speak to how you get along with her, but it's possible to like or dislike people of any intertype relation.
You can view my type I am ILI and if this isnīt enough for you you can videochat with me on Skype. I donīt explained myself enough I already put functions into account of course it is possible to dislike even the same type but that is kind of mutual hatred and not this I donīt understand you version.
lol For sure. Usually if we're in the17th it's night time in the US. Not sure what time that would be for you.
Yes. I think it's usually around 11 pm or 12 am here in CST when there are people in there. It's not everyday, but I usually at least check to see if there are people in there.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
@Zero11 Also, do consider that I loathe you because you are an insufferable person who relies on bad logic and who accused me of trying to be something I wasn't rather than reconsider your faulty and over-simplistic arguments when I turned out not to fit your analysis, as opposed to trying to foist it off on my being in the opposing quadra.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
so my arguments are "weak" very ish of you
define "insufferable" please
"bad logic" there we have it again _ you could be a result type as it seems that you judge my process every time
"faulty" "over simplistic" perfectionismwho accused me of trying to be something I wasn't rather than reconsider your faulty and over-simplistic arguments when I turned out not to fit your analysis
you sure hate how searches for the Unknown _ the best guesses are viewed as faulty logic but Intuition is surely not logic
I donīt care if you view this as an accusation anymore because this difference clearly stems from coginitve dissonance.
Ep temperament "donīt restrain me" defensive "I donīt let myself be restrained"
Besides what is so bad if I am wrong? Should I just shut up and do nothing at all? That would just be a giant waste.
You refuse new Information "just because" it does not fit your Model / > / and you clearly hate my like how you hate this way of exploring new Ideas so to speak.
Last edited by Zero11; 01-02-2014 at 10:00 PM.
@hkkmr You're welcome to split this. It's not relevant to Johannes' thread.
It doesn't take a type to find your arguments lackluster.
I mentioned what really pisses me off about you. If you'd like "insufferable" defined, go consult a dictionary.define "insufferable" please
I touch neither Reinin nor your assessments."bad logic" there we have it again _ you could be a result type as it seems that you judge my process every time
Again, it doesn't take a type to see that your logic is shitty. Shall I quote your original assessment of my type?"faulty" "over simplistic" perfectionism
Oh, and this gem:
No, you've just yet to present me with a decent argument. There are people here who disagree with me on my type. That's fine. But I at least like to know that anyone who disagrees has put thought into it and that they understand what they are talking about to my satisfaction. You have never met this standard.you sure hate how searches for the Unknown _ the best guesses are viewed as faulty logic but Intuition is surely not logic
Or I simply find it insulting that you would sooner call me a liar than consider yourself incorrect.Ep temperament "donīt restrain me" defensive "I donīt let myself be restrained"
You could at least do yourself (and others) the service of admitting that you are wrong, which you didn't have the decency to do with me.Besides what is so bad if I am wrong? Should I just shut up and do nothing at all? That would just be a giant waste.
Justify it to yourself however you like. I really don't care.You refuse new Information "just because" it does not fit your Model / > / and you clearly hate my like how you hate this way of exploring new Ideas so to speak.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Calling the authorities how considerate of you who are you to decide what is relevant and what is not?@hkkmr You're welcome to split this. It's not relevant to Johannes' thread.
If you canīt differentiate between assumptions and analysis you shouldnīt call it logic then.
There is no standard on complete misunderstanding and disagreement through a lack of understanding in the first place.No, you've just yet to present me with a decent argument. There are people here who disagree with me on my type. That's fine. But I at least like to know that anyone who disagrees has put thought into it and that they understand what they are talking about to my satisfaction. You have never met this standard.
You really have a problem with that do you. It just proves your and there is no incorrection it is just that you want me to say that I am wrong and you are right. Sugarcoated into what you call yourOr I simply find it insulting that you would sooner call me a liar than consider yourself incorrect.
Wrong on what? Just in general? Ow yeah bow down to ahahaha this is the internet not some Family relationship.You could at least do yourself (and others) the service of admitting that you are wrong, which you didn't have the decency to do with me.
@Johannes Bloem
Well done according to post #1 in this derail (now moved here), you annoyed this upstanding and remarkably infallible community by being wrong because you're 'defying inertia'.
What a remarkable rebuttal to your hypotheses and assertions.
10/10 for effort.
In a thread about Johannes' type, we are now arguing mine. That does very little for the original topic, and it does not need to clutter a thread that is supposed to be about him.
I'd be lying if I said I had any clue what you're talking about here. If you're trying to call that attempt an analysis, then it was an incredibly poor one. If you're claiming it was an assumption, then your following actions are all the more insulting.If you canīt differentiate between assumptions and analysis you shouldnīt call it logic then.
So it can't be that I disagree because I honestly think you're wrong? I can only disagree because I don't understand your arguments or you? Surely that's not what you're implying here.There is no standard on complete misunderstanding and disagreement through a lack of understanding in the first place.
Imagine that.You really have a problem with that do you.
*yawn* More of the same.It just proves your and there is no incorrection it is just that you want me to say that I am wrong and you are right. Sugarcoated into what you call your
Do explain to me how that is supposed to be . In fact, define for me while you're at it.Wrong on what? Just in general? Ow yeah bow down to ahahaha this is the internet not some Family relationship.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Aw, he is back to bitch.
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Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
― Anais Nin
Like this?
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Johannes-Bloem
4 pages and a derail later.
Fucking hilarious failure.
I asked him if we could open a type thread after conversation about his type in the chatbox and he said sure. The end.
Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
― Anais Nin
How could you possibly know that it does not lead into the other direction?
Wrong on what on you? How can I be wrong without stating anything definitive? Obviously our understanding considering the definiton of being wrong is completely off. I am kind of happy that you donīt get what your definiton of wrong in opposition to mine is here.So it can't be that I disagree because I honestly think you're wrong? I can only disagree because I don't understand your arguments or you? Surely that's not what you're implying here.
In case of PoLR it is to summon the people against an indivdiual that is targeted through persuasion, sure it wasnīt pure in this example but it was a version of it.Do explain to me how that is supposed to be . In fact, define for me while you're at it.
Again, no clue what you're attempting to say, and I'm beginning to not care at this point.
Impressions can be mistaken. Arguments can be poorly constructed. Methods can be ass-backwards. It's not rocket science, sweetheart.Wrong on what on you? How can I be wrong without stating anything definitive?
.................................................. ............................................Obviously our understanding considering the definiton of being wrong is completely off. I am kind of happy that you donīt get what your definiton of wrong in opposition to mine is here.
You did not explain to me what you consider to be. And that sounds like a cop-out at the end: "it's not entirely this, but it kinda sorta is".In case of PoLR it is to summon the people against an indivdiual that is targeted through persuasion, sure it wasnīt pure in this example but it was a version of it.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
@Ryene Astraelis
I had enough information aquired during this exchange. Further interaction would just lead to more useless confusion on your side. I donīt really understand how you came interested if I can call this interest what you have on Typology. And yes I did answered your Questions but you are still completely cluesless and thats it. Believe what you want I will never surrender to your kind as I am over this level a hundred times.
You have no Idea what the functions are not at a basic level at all and due to your so called knowledge you accuse me of being logical inconsistent. There is now way ever that you get something out of this.
Last edited by Zero11; 01-02-2014 at 11:28 PM.
Feel free to bow out. I was growing tired of beating my head against the wall that is conversing with you anyway.
Is that supposed to be some kind of degrading remark? "If I can call this interest what you have"? Really? Oh god.I donīt really understand how you came interested if I can call this interest what you have on Typology.
If that's what you wish to tell yourself.And yes I did answered your Questions but you are still completely cluesless and thats it.
....I fail to imagine precisely what "my kind" is, but the concept sounds utterly hilarious. Fight on, brave warrior of the One True Interpretation. Soldier away with your fearsome strings of gibberish and smite all who oppose you. You will arise victorious! *raises fist in solidarity*Believe what you want I will never surrender to your kind as I am over this level a hundred times.
Rather than explain your opinion of you choose to declare I don't know what I'm talking about. *yawn* Mmhm.You have no Idea what the functions are not at a basic level at all and due to your so called knowledge you accuse me of being logical inconsistent.
Well, it's you, so I hadn't expected anything to begin with. Carry on.There is now way ever that you get something out of this.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
No, I don't think my embarrassing self inflicted a 4 page riot either. I just opened a type thread after conversing with the person in question and with his permission and am hardly responsible for what people post in it.
But feel free to twist this to your heart's delight. I even missed your bitching a little.
Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
― Anais Nin
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.