Sofar i'd say that socionics tests are fairly reliable, in the sense that I get IEI 80% of the time with ILE and IEE for the other 20%.
Their validity i'm not so sure off.
Sofar i'd say that socionics tests are fairly reliable, in the sense that I get IEI 80% of the time with ILE and IEE for the other 20%.
Their validity i'm not so sure off.
Static profile || Superego – Id - Superid – Ego
Static profile || Superego – Id - Superid – Ego
The static profile characterizes the person from the perspective of the dichotomy statics-dynamics. This person is balanced on the dichotomies of rationality-irrationality and introversion-extraversion. But the element of dynamics is not sufficiently expressed in the structure of personality, which is partly due to the stability of psycho-physical states, stability of mood and temperament. Depending on which TPE is leading, the person compromises between striving to enjoy life to the full and a strong sense of public duty and responsibility for other people.
Dominance: Superego
Superego-types (Fyodor Dostoyevsky (EII), Theodore Dreiser (ESI), Maximilien Robespierre (LII), Maxim Gorky (LSI) - are the bright representatives of the psychic energy ‘Superego’ which is characterised by clarity, sincerity, purity of thought, wisdom, morality, intellectual and spiritual pursuits. Superego-types are law-abiding, honest and responsible. They tend to fulfil the assigned work as high as diligently as possible so that they do not feel shameful in front of the others. When tackling an assignment, they go the extra mile to make sure their result is perfect. The quality of their work is their source of personal pride and critical self-esteem. As a rule, they are quiet, reserved, hard-working people who know how to behave in any situation. There is obvious integrity in their views and consistency in their judgements and deeds. They assert high moral values, keeping up an established order that is important for social conservation.
Support: Id
Id-types - Aldous Huxley (IEE), Don Quixote (ILE), Napoleon I (SEE) and Georgy Zhukov (SLE) are the bright exponents of the psychic energy ‘Id’ which is characterised by a creative drive, changeability, flexibility, inexhaustible vivacity, and one’s potential whether apparent or hidden. Id-types are a source of inspiration for those who do not possess the power of optimism and zest for life. They share generously their interests and cheerfulness with others. Id-types are the people who occupy themselves with whatever is interesting and pleasurable to them. Their desires are variable, changeable, and adaptable to the current circumstances. Their main merit is that they can relatively quickly and without much effort get adapted to the new situation and switch from one activity to another if that is necessary. They are oriented to the external world and the things happening around them. As far as the world is full of various pleasures and wonderful events, their interest in life and willingness to enjoy new experiences remains much stronger than melancholy and short failures.
Neutrality: Superid
Superid-types - Sergei Yesenin (IEI), Honoré de Balzac (ILI), Alexandre Dumas (SEI) and Jean Gabin (SLI) - are the bright exponents of the ‘Superid’ psychic energy which is characterised by the strong imagination, mystery of the night, physical relaxation and emotional calmness. Superid-types do not have a goal to impose their will to others. They do not tend to manage others and control the situation but at their best they are able to adjust themselves and bring subtle changes to the environment.. Superid-types know how to create the relaxed atmosphere of nonintrusive communication, soft touch, humour and comfort. Superid-types find themselves often sinking into their inner world, which serves them as a source of inspiration and creation. Their inner world is fragile and mobile. They subtly respond to the slightest changes in the surrounding environment. Knowing the sensibility of its nature, Superid-types spend a lot of time in loneliness, philosophising and thinking about themselves, their needs and trying to protect themselves from the destructive influence of the outside world. They are very perceptive!
Deficiency: Ego
Ego-types - Hamlet (EIE), Victor Hugo (ESE), Jack London (LIE) and Stierlitz (LSE) -
are the bright exponents of the ‘Ego’ psychic energy which is characterised by excitement and attraction, masculinity and sexuality, physical strength, courage and confidence – all the qualities desirable for strong leadership. Ego-types are hard-working, possess great will power and intend to change the order of the surrounding environment at their sole discretion. As a rule, they are somewhat presumptuous and would not like to admit their weakness in public. It is important for them to have a goal and to feel that they are ready to deal with any obstacles in order to achieve that goal. Ego-types are good at managing other people, making decisions, taking responsibility and not giving up on failures. Such people, as a rule, are good at projecting an aura of confidence and giving the impression of a serious, business people.
Ok so the way I interpret this is that it says I'm balanced and one of the four types listed first. Or did I misunderstand sth?
Got EII on the previous colour test.
The result confirms your type, you are a superego-type with a static profile, subtype IEE.Originally Posted by aisa
the future associative tests may confirm static profile or may suggest other profile, Depending on criteria the profile may be slightly different. This result suggests that Superego energy dominates and Ego-energy in deficit. You may need to pay a bit more attention to the deficit energy at particular times. Deficit energy may be responsible sometimes for some discomfort.
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Dominance : Superid
Superid-types - Sergei Yesenin (IEI), Honoré de Balzac (ILI), Alexandre Dumas (SEI) and Jean Gabin (SLI) - are the bright exponents of the ‘Superid’ psychic energy which is characterised by the strong imagination, mystery of the night, physical relaxation and emotional calmness. Superid-types do not have a goal to impose their will to others. They do not tend to manage others and control the situation but at their best they are able to adjust themselves and bring subtle changes to the environment.. Superid-types know how to create the relaxed atmosphere of nonintrusive communication, soft touch, humour and comfort. Superid-types find themselves often sinking into their inner world, which serves them as a source of inspiration and creation. Their inner world is fragile and mobile. They subtly respond to the slightest changes in the surrounding environment. Knowing the sensibility of its nature, Superid-types spend a lot of time in loneliness, philosophising and thinking about themselves, their needs and trying to protect themselves from the destructive influence of the outside world. They are very perceptive!
Support: - Superego
Superego-types (Fyodor Dostoyevsky (EII), Theodore Dreiser (ESI), Maximilien Robespierre (LII), Maxim Gorky (LSI) - are the bright representatives of the psychic energy ‘Superego’ which is characterised by clarity, sincerity, purity of thought, wisdom, morality, intellectual and spiritual pursuits. Superego-types are law-abiding, honest and responsible. They tend to fulfil the assigned work as high as diligently as possible so that they do not feel shameful in front of the others. When tackling an assignment, they go the extra mile to make sure their result is perfect. The quality of their work is their source of personal pride and critical self-esteem. As a rule, they are quiet, reserved, hard-working people who know how to behave in any situation. There is obvious integrity in their views and consistency in their judgements and deeds. They assert high moral values, keeping up an established order that is important for social conservation.
Neutrality: Id
Id-types - Aldous Huxley (IEE), Don Quixote (ILE), Napoleon I (SEE) and Georgy Zhukov (SLE) are the bright exponents of the psychic energy ‘Id’ which is characterised by a creative drive, changeability, flexibility, inexhaustible vivacity, and one’s potential whether apparent or hidden. Id-types are a source of inspiration for those who do not possess the power of optimism and zest for life. They share generously their interests and cheerfulness with others. Id-types are the people who occupy themselves with whatever is interesting and pleasurable to them. Their desires are variable, changeable, and adaptable to the current circumstances. Their main merit is that they can relatively quickly and without much effort get adapted to the new situation and switch from one activity to another if that is necessary. They are oriented to the external world and the things happening around them. As far as the world is full of various pleasures and wonderful events, their interest in life and willingness to enjoy new experiences remains much stronger than melancholy and short failures.
Deficiency: Ego
Ego-types - Hamlet (EIE), Victor Hugo (ESE), Jack London (LIE) and Stierlitz (LSE) -
are the bright exponents of the ‘Ego’ psychic energy which is characterised by excitement and attraction, masculinity and sexuality, physical strength, courage and confidence – all the qualities desirable for strong leadership. Ego-types are hard-working, possess great will power and intend to change the order of the surrounding environment at their sole discretion. As a rule, they are somewhat presumptuous and would not like to admit their weakness in public. It is important for them to have a goal and to feel that they are ready to deal with any obstacles in order to achieve that goal. Ego-types are good at managing other people, making decisions, taking responsibility and not giving up on failures. Such people, as a rule, are good at projecting an aura of confidence and giving the impression of a serious, business people.
The TPE approach explains why and how we come to differentiate between the subtypes based on either programme or creative within one TPE group. It provides rational behind it. I guess before that socionists could use other explanations. If LSI is rather extroverted it could be a sign of a strong creative. If LSI is introverted - it was a sign of
- subtype.
From TPE- system we can judge it differently. Extraverted LSI means that he has either Ego or Id as a TPE-subtype. We do not confuse leading TPE with supportive TPE. We do not mix and match two different levels TPE with functions which DCNH does.
In DSNH you have a mixture of both: LSI -N and LSI -D,S, H. If I type somebody in DSNH as LSI- Creative subtype and you type the same person as SLE -normative we shall never be able to resolve this issue. It is because DSNH-system is not used to determine the type but only the subtype. That means you have to determine first the type by whatever means and only then suggest the subtype also by whatever means - by observation and based on the description. It does not give the rational why the person has this or that subtype - it does not have psychodynamic profile, no concept as such, just descriptions.
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Is it possible to change the link on the first page in the first post - to delete the old link to the test and add the new link?
Does anybody remember the link to VI socionics test? I mean the test where you decide between photos of people.
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http://www.sociotype.com/tests/
Extended Socionics test.
Sadly, it did not work for me - it froze on the pictures.
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Dear all, I have great news for you - I have published yesterday Nonverbal socionics test and it seems to work fine! Check it out but do not forget to register otherwise - no result.
Please leave your results here or at my forum.
I already had the nonverbal test “Patterns” to determine TPE Group and general psychodynamics. This is the first test of a future series of nonverbal tests to determine the type of personality based on the concept of associative socionics. I do not expect this test to be more accurate than the verbal tests in general. Its uniqueness lies in the fact, that this is it the first “visual” test of this kind, which does not require a lot of time and verbal evaluation. Test lays a new direction in socionics psychodiagnostics – nonverbal testing. This in itself a huge step forward since socionics ceases to be a “science of experts” and enters the boundaries of experimental science. Please, leave your comments and share your thoughts about it – this will help to improve the quality of the future tests.
Please, post your results here and do not forget to mention if it fits with your opinion of the type. I will also appreciate if you can share the link to the test in a wider social network- thank you!
http://socionics4you.com/post-4754?lang=en
http://socionics4you.com/smforum/ind...pic,655.0.html
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Doesn't work when I log in in english. I do the test but at the end I get a red message in russian and I need to redo the test, i get no resultsDear all, I have great news for you - I have published yesterday Nonverbal socionics test and it seems to work fine! Check it out but do not forget to register otherwise - no result.
Please leave your results here or at my forum.
I already had the nonverbal test “Patterns” to determine TPE Group and general psychodynamics. This is the first test of a future series of nonverbal tests to determine the type of personality based on the concept of associative socionics. I do not expect this test to be more accurate than the verbal tests in general. Its uniqueness lies in the fact, that this is it the first “visual” test of this kind, which does not require a lot of time and verbal evaluation. Test lays a new direction in socionics psychodiagnostics – nonverbal testing. This in itself a huge step forward since socionics ceases to be a “science of experts” and enters the boundaries of experimental science. Please, leave your comments and share your thoughts about it – this will help to improve the quality of the future tests.
Please, post your results here and do not forget to mention if it fits with your opinion of the type. I will also appreciate if you can share the link to the test in a wider social network- thank you!
http://socionics4you.com/post-4754?lang=en
http://socionics4you.com/smforum/ind...pic,655.0.html
O, actually, the problem may be different - the programme is confused and cannot figure out your type. Does it sound right? Have you got big doubts about your type?
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Looking at your profile picture I would suggest Superid type and could be SLI or ILI.
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this is what I get : Подтип ТПЭ не определен. Рекомендую повторить тест еще раз.
yeah ok, doesn't know what i am. Will redo it lal
edit: fuck this shit, i keep getting it, fuck ur test :-D. Some really great pictures in it thought, esp all of the painted women <3,
from that picture test
Type: Balzac, Superid
Subtype: Robespierre, Superego
Profile: Introverted
Balzac
The intuitive logical introvert (ILI). The Critic. ILI have the ability to abstract and philosophical thinking, noticing contradictions in conclusions and pointing them to others (critics). There is always logical reasoning behind their conclusions. ILI are able to see the ways to get the profit, often they do not take the opportunity. They are naturally sceptical and can pour the cold water on someone whom they believe to be overenthusiastic. ILI are often sceptical about themselves and their own potential too. They appear to be shy, reserved and unenthusiastic.
Robespierre
The logical intuitive introvert (INTJ). The Analyst. LII are often perfectionists, see the world as a single structured system, where all the elements are logically interconnected. People of this type strain after order and logic in their own mind and around them. LII are able to pay attention to details and work accurately. They have very stiff principles and ideas of justice. These are based on their logic and therefore on the idea of fairness, but not on the moral rules of the society or family. They are ready to defend their principles and will not walk past something they see as injustice. LII put their principles higher than their own interests or interests of their family and the close ones. The Analysts are able to see multiple potential outcomes and are seeking knowledge in wide spectrum of topics. They prefer abstract theories and are a lot less interested in their practical implementation.
it says i'm 100% introverted.
Mega, you need to be registered on the website.
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so i tried only doing the ones that i "liked" -- which is hardly any. and it didn't come out with a result at all.
then i tried being a bit more leniant, and now i've got completely different from the first time around:
Type: Hamlet , Ego
Subtype: Yesenin, Superid
Profile: Dynamic
Hamlet
The ethical intuitive extravert (EIE) The Performer. EIE are highly emotional individuals, attuned to the emotional atmosphere around them and are able to influence and shape it. The changes in their mood are quite apparent — their movements, facial expressions, tone of voice change a lot. EIE are often great story-tellers, with the ability to engage the listeners emotionally and switch their moods as the story goes. EIE enjoy being the centre of attention with ability to attract and hold the attention of a person or a crowd. EIE are very persuasive and convincing, but not by providing a lot of reasoning, but by influencing the mood of a person. They often provide the insight on the situations or predict potential outcome and often over dramatizing it. IEI feel the trends and time well. They are often interested in other epochs or fiction, not from the scientific point of view, but as an emotional attachment.
Yesenin
The intuitive ethical introvert (IEI). The Dreamer. IEI often has feelings about the outcome of some actions or situation, being able to say whether the outcome is good or bad, but most of the time not able to explain why or what exactly will happen. Often they are lost in their dreams or thoughts, not noticing what is going on around them. They can influence the emotional atmosphere in a company of people, though the more people are present, the harder it is for the IEIs due to their introversion.
curiously i'm still 100% introverted. it just shifted from logic to ethics it seems.
i don't really see hwo you can figure someone's type out from what pictures they like though. i didn't see a single picture that make me think "extroverted". they were all introverted pictures! i mean how can a static picture be extroverted!
Mercuito, is your type as stated INFj?
Extraversion can be presented in bright colours and in large objects. Did you try the Russian version? Would you like to send me the pictures you like? Or you can post it here in the topic - just an example.
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@Olga Two other SLE have also got the EIE or IEI results, so I don't know. Maybe it is an influence... You don't really have a big interest in art so it would be harder to determine your type by it. At least that is the way I see it.
Last edited by Aylen; 03-19-2015 at 05:07 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Interesting test:
Type: Balzac, Superid
Subtype: Robespierre, Superego
Profile: Introverted
69% - Dynamic
31% - Static
8% - Extroversion
92% - Introversion
29% - Rationality
71% - Irrationality
50% - Logic
50% - Ethic
32% - Sensation@Olga, I got Ip profile (Introverted) for the TPE test and IEI for the pattern one.
68% - Intuition
I tried the non-verbal again, got almost the same result, but still 50/50 for logic/ethic
Last edited by Persephone; 03-15-2015 at 01:51 PM.
Type: Super-Id
Subtype: Jack London, Ego
Profile: Dynamic
TPE:
- 100% Dynamics
- 17% Extraversion -- 83% Introversion
- 43% Rationality -- 57% Irrationality
Functional:
- 76% Logics -- 24% Ethics
- 21% Sensor -- 79% Intuition
[No Type Description]
[Subtype]
The logical intuitive extravert (LIE). The Entrepreneur. LIE are the Best at hands on tasks, Perceive the World as full of Possibilities for Profit. They know how to solve a problem in the most efficient way, how to use the resources and take into account luck, coincidences and trends. LIE quickly adapt to changes and might switch from one occupation to another if they feel the previous position has exhausted all possibilities. They like to see real-life implementations of their projects and are not interested in completely abstract theories. LIE prefer to earn more rather than to spend less and are happy to spend big sums of money on their life-style and hobbies. They prefer big tasks and work on impulse rather than to do a routine work and might lack attention to the details. The Entrepreneurs are charismatic, well organized, have the foresight, think about the consequences of their actions and avoid unnecessary risk.
Have I just been dissociated from a specific type? Am I just a temperament now?
Have a different opinion on my type? Message me or tell me.
After the 4th try:
Type: Superid
Subtype: Robespierre, Superego
Profile: introverted
Robespierre
The logical Intuitive introvert ( INTJ). The Analyst. Often LII are perfectionists, See the World as A Single Structured system, WHERE All the Elements are Logically Interconnected. People of this type strain after order and logic in their own mind and around them. LII are able to pay attention to details and work accurately. They have very stiff principles and ideas of justice. These are based on their logic and therefore on the idea of fairness, but not on the moral rules of the society or family. They are ready to defend their principles and will not walk past something they see as injustice. LII put their principles higher than their own interests or interests of their family and the close ones. The Analysts are able to see multiple potential outcomes and are seeking knowledge in wide spectrum of topics. They prefer abstract theories and are a lot less interested in their practical implementation.
69% - Dynamics
31% - Statics
17% - Extraversion
83% - Introversion
36% - Rationality
64% - Irrationality
56% - Logic
44% - Ethics
21% - Sensor
79% - Intuition
:skeptical:
(My self type: SEI/IEE)
Last edited by Pink; 03-15-2015 at 02:25 AM.
Thank you and sorry for the test playing hard to get. I will try to understand what is going on with the test. Please, make sure that you mention how you type yourself because I collect information for statistics. I would like to have results of 100 people or so to see what is the tendency for this test. I also will try to improve in the next few days and I will let you know when it is worth to try again but hopefully not 4 times trying. it must be some mistake in the programme.
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I took the test twice, both times got ILI (first time, I had ILE subtype, second time I had LII subtype).
It was also pretty obvious which photos were sensor vs intuition.. I myself enjoy a beautiful shot of food but the ones on the test weren't that eye catching. (Great concept, and great test though!)
I agree with Pink that that's not a great way to test sensing. Not only because a bunch of those food portraits were just ugly, but also because they might not appeal to those who prefer more dynamic images
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I did the test a few more times and once scored higher on sensing (hmm 40%) and dynamics and my result was SEI but I don't think I chose any food pics.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
It took me four tries to finally get a result on the nonverbal test.
Type: Yesenin, Superid
Subtype: Huxley, Id
Profile: Irrational
TPE
69% - Dynamics 31% - Statics
45% - Extraversion 55% - Introversion
23% - Rationality 77% - Irrationality
Functional
50% - Logic 50% - Ethics
17% - Sensing 83% Intuition
Charts domination TPE
34% - Superid 26% - Id 23% - Ego 18% - Superego
I'm about 99% sure I'm an LII. TPE subtype most likely ILE or ILI.
Anyone else getting weird results on this?
Pattern test:
Superid > ID > Superego > Ego
Irrational profile
Hmmmm. Some of those patterns were rather hard to see and several looked basically alike with one teeny tiny change. So I can't say it's very accurate.
Associative test:
ILE
I guess I'm more irrational than rational in my artistic preferences. If it's too symmetrical or orderly, it's more likely to boring.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
3 times no result. 4th time LSI (with SLI). 5th time LII (with LIE).
Тип: Maxim Gorky, Superego
Подтип: Gabin, Superid
Профиль: Introverted
Maxim Gorky
The logical sensing introvert (LSI). The Inspector. LSI are very responsible people, often workaholics, which stick to their commitments. At the same time they can be forceful and stiff individuals, who defend their opinions and positions stubbornly, reserving to the aggression if needed. They are very good at analysing and structuring information with great attention to details. Their opinions normally are very well-formulated and lack any ambiguity. Although they can make an impression of calm and reserved individuals, LSI can be moody and quick-tempered. At the same time they tend to be very gentle and protective of the close ones. LSI tend to force their decisions on others, but also take the full responsibility for their decisions and actions. They dislike people who can't express their thoughts in a more or less structured way, jump from topic to topic or misuse the terms. LSI do not like to discuss their natural abilities as they may be not sure about their hidden potential themselves. They are careful in the interpersonal relationships, suspicious and try to avoid unnecessary confrontation. They do not like to waste their time or to be late. The time is very important to them and they may often look at the clock or watches. LSI tend to save resources, to avoid the financial risks and generally can be satisfied with little possessions.
Gabin
The sensing logical introvert (SLI). The Artisan. SLI are very attuned to the bodily sensations and of the space around them. They work often with their hands — it can be do-it-yourself skills, cooking, gardening, fishing etc. SLI love nature and feel a strong connection to it, love to be outside in a peaceful happy place. SLI like their possessions, often have collections of material objects like knifes, wine and etc. They have good understanding of the material objects: what are they good for and how to use them. SLI are interested in minimizing the uncomfortable physical experiences. They can describe in detail the pain in the body but prefer not to talk about it and to keep themselves to themselves. They have a remarkable sense of humour and can ease the emotional atmosphere around them. SLI tend switch easily the topic of conversation and start talking about things without any obvious connection with the previous topic. That might be a comment on the uncomfortable clothes or bad posture etc., which will then be followed by a practical advice on how to improve the situation.
Thank you very much to all for the detailed feedback. I especially thank those who like Bluebird showed the results of all tests. All your responses are importna to me and I coolect them on the forum. http://socionics4you.com/smforum/index.php/topic,654.
I opened a separate topic to compare results for all or a few of my tests.http://socionics4you.com/smforum/ind...pic,657.0.html
I have corrected yesterday the English version - it is now 88 questions and there was a mistake in the coding system which may have affected some of the results and was the reason behind "hard to get results".
I have questions and comments.
McBain do you remember what was the subtype or a profile?
Nevra, I do not see our type in the avatar but I assume that you are either LSI or LII, right?
LIIbrarian strange result. Irrationality is very strong. Could it be that you irrational type instead? Different test give the consistent result. I would suggest you to show you preferences in art and music and films - on my forum. I am not going to type you in depth but don't mind to have a look. No rush, as I ma very busy now tests.
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Narc, you wrote: "I took the test twice, both times got ILI (first time, I had ILE subtype, second time I had LII subtype). " It looks like ILI is your subtype if you are 100% sure that you are an LIE. I usually analyse the results of the test like this: irrationality plus introversion = dynamics. Just on the basis of these results I would check out ILI type for you - this is how I would think.
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I just redid the test, and now I get this result:
Type: Don Quixote , Id
Subtype: Balzac, Superid
Profile: Irrational
Dynamics 64% Statics 36%
Extraversion 67% Introversion 33%
Rationality 24% Irrationality 76%
Logics 53% Ethics 47%
Sensing 18% Intuition 82%
30% Id 29% Superid 25% Ego 15% Superego
It's a little closer to my self-typing. I don't know why I always get high irrationality. I think because a picture that looks too ordered and symmetrical is more 'boring' looking somehow?
Also, I happen to like brighter colors so I get points for extraversion I guess.
Also, the pictures classified under superego seemed more boring and mundane. I didn't dislike them but they didn't grab my attention either like some of them did.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Librarian, you are absolutely right that you subtype must be irrational ILE or ILI because this what you get in the results as strong. It does not fit to the pattern but it is common that something does not fit. This also means that two other traits are borderline - balanced: extraversion- introversion and statics -dynamics. I would suggest you would choose one of the TPE subtypes and add it to your description in the signature.Another way to decide upon your PD -profile and subtype is to choose from PD descriptions. For ILI there is an option of three profiles:
1. Introverted profile: Superego-Superid and Superid-Superego.
The person who is characterised by this opposition is inclined to solitude, prefers a small circle of familiar people for socialising as well as for work and a well-known environment. Depending on what TPE is leading, the person balances his/her inner drives between responsibility for oneself and for others. The desire to think and to worry about himself/herself, the desire to protect the sensitive inner world from the destructive influences of the outside world with the need to protect and to care for other people as well as to allocate sufficient time and attention to their needs.
2. Static profile: Superego – Id and Id – Superego.
This opposition characterizes the person from the perspective of the dichotomy statics-dynamics. This person is balanced on the dichotomies of rationality-irrationality and introversion-extraversion. But the element of dynamics is not sufficiently expressed in the structure of personality, which is partly due to the stability of psycho-physical states, stability of mood and temperament. Depending on which TPE is leading, the person compromises between striving to enjoy life to the full and a strong sense of public duty and responsibility for other people.
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Just out of curiousity, do you have the descriptions for the rational, dynamic, extraverted, and irrational profiles?Librarian, you are absolutely right that you subtype must be irrational ILE or ILI because this what you get in the results as strong. It does not fit to the pattern but it is common that something does not fit. This also means that two other traits are borderline - balanced: extraversion- introversion and statics -dynamics. I would suggest you would choose one of the TPE subtypes and add it to your description in the signature.
1. Introverted profile: Superego-Superid and Superid-Superego.
The person who is characterised by this opposition is inclined to solitude, prefers a small circle of familiar people for socialising as well as for work and a well-known environment. Depending on what TPE is leading, the person balances his/her inner drives between responsibility for oneself and for others. The desire to think and to worry about himself/herself, the desire to protect the sensitive inner world from the destructive influences of the outside world with the need to protect and to care for other people as well as to allocate sufficient time and attention to their needs.
2. Static profile: Superego – Id and Id – Superego.
This opposition characterizes the person from the perspective of the dichotomy statics-dynamics. This person is balanced on the dichotomies of rationality-irrationality and introversion-extraversion. But the element of dynamics is not sufficiently expressed in the structure of personality, which is partly due to the stability of psycho-physical states, stability of mood and temperament. Depending on which TPE is leading, the person compromises between striving to enjoy life to the full and a strong sense of public duty and responsibility for other people.
I think of the two above descriptions introverted fits better than static. I never quite feel all that stable in my mood. It's quite changeable. I look calm and stable to others but on the inside, there's alot going on in there. I can relate to the part in the static profile though about compromising between enjoying life in full and fulfilling the sense of duty to other people.
Also, do you think DCNH subtype usually correlates with TPE subtype or can they be different?
I'm H subtype in DCNH, so wouldn't that correlate best with introverted profile or ILI subtype?
I could be C subtype in DCNH too but I think H is more likely. I'm definitely not D subtype.
I'm also guessing LII-C correlates to static profile and LII-D to rational profile?
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Yes, you understood it right about the correlation with DCNH subtype. In the TPE -system you cannot be Superego -type and superego -subtype at once but it is possible in DCNH like N - N. Another difference is that DCNH system does not differentiate subtypes at the level of 16 types. And the criteria of evaluation is also different. They don't use non-verbal preferences, they use visual identification like eye movement and etc. It is observation of the person mainly plus some general information. I see their criteria and judgement is prone to subjective interpretation. They don't have tests for subtypes either.
The key difference is that DCNH subtype system is loose in terms of basic typology groups. It is not attached and there is not logical connections between DCNH as subtype system and the 4 small groups of typology. Subtype can be any one for any of the small group. This created chaos in my view because you can easily mistake type for the subtype and on the opposite. I always criticized this. In practice it is hard to decide and that is why in theory everything should be clear cut - to help with type and subtype identification.
As far as I know they (Gulenko school) have the concept of temperament which is used as a major criteria of identification which group the person belongs. Once they establish the group they decide about the subtype.
In TPE- system temperament is also used as a criteria but not as a major one because of the reference to classical temperaments which in fact are very similar to socionics temperaments described by Gulenko. So, you can say that they decide about the temperament by description and the same with quadras. They have no means to prove it statistically - no tests. They have one test FAP which identifies functional profile - strength of socionics functions. They relate it not to subtype but to the profile - an extra sub- system. Like you said - you can be LII with strong Ni of FE or whatever.
The whole concept behind FAP is not clear and the questions used are the same which are sued for type identification. I do not take it serious at all. I think they use it use because they don't have the better concept like mine which could include and explain different properties in one system interconnected.
DCNH consider 3 levels - type, subtype and profile - as a changeable level, situational. Every time you use different functions and this is what FAP suppose to show - which functions stronger in addition to your Ego- functions.
So I would say DCNH system is more complex and less clear than mine and more subjective.
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Foundation I hope I have corrected the test and the results will be now in full for all types. Looking at your subtype and Superid type as the leading there must be there ILI type for you. Dynamic ILI.
Mega, how do you self- type? ILI or SLI?
Pink SEI/IEE - this sounds like a joke for a self- typing. Are you in doubt about your type or you are pretty sure? If yes then what is your type?
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Because these are very different types. Subtypes must be the types with the most resemblance with the actual type. But from your explanation I understand that you base it on people's opinion about your type.
If you are SEI - Fe it means ethical subtype within your small group - IP or Superid group in my terms. In this case the most resemblance will be with IEI and this would be our subtype within Superid group.
It also means that your TPE subtype could be any of this two - ESE ( Ego) and ESI (Superego). Because these types have ethics as a programme function.
If people suggest that you may be IEE then they mean Id and SEE subtype. Then it would be irrational subtype for SEI.
Alternatively, you can be not SEI but IEI with subtype IEE. This would more sense.
I have described the logic behind the resemblance of types in the two articles about subtypes. It is not type or subtype description but instruction on how to conclude about the subtypes on the basis of greater similarity with the type. this is the short version.
http://socionics4you.com/post-465?lang=en
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@Olga I'm sure about IJ. ESI or EII. Not LII, LSI.
Last edited by Moonbeaux Rainfox; 07-12-2015 at 10:53 AM.
Nevra, if you are not sure about your type I would suggest for you to do all my tests and post results here. I may be able to help you just by analysing the results of the tests. You can also try the Russian version of SNT which is slightly different in pictures.
And I corrected the English version too. A few people liked the new version better than the previous one.
http://socionics4you.com/post-4754?lang=en
http://socionics4you.com/post-4754
I would suggest to skip a lot of pictures and take only the once you really like. You also can experiment with the test choosing slightly different pictures each time.
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1st I got ILE with LII subtype
then I got ILI with LII subtype
3rd I got IEI with IEE subtype
now, when I tried to choose the ones I really liked the test wasn't able to say
Hi Ver, lets consider your PD profiles first. You have static, irrational and introverted profiles. This is the pattern and introversion does not fit. In fact it is very common that one dichotomy is off. This is what makes difficult to type people. However, if we could have had charts we would be able to compare what is stronger. What I can suggest at the moment that two subtypes are possible for you - static IEE and then EII as a subtype and not LII. Or irrational irrational IEE and then IEI as a subtype. I see that you extroversion and introversion is balanced. This means that the other two dichotomies to be more precise one of them must be disbalanced. this means that you have either more irrationality or statics.
Please, try Russian version of the test. http://socionics4you.com/post-4754
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Yes, you are right and ideally I should have more more variety for sensing pictures. If you are sensors or if you believe you know what sensing pictures are - please, share!
I am not going to reveal which picture means what because I am planning to do more tests. I did take them from the collections. If I need a sensing picture, I look at the collection of the person who was types as a sensor. Plus I need to be sure myself that this picture can be associated with sensing.
It is nearly 80 people already who gave the results. It looks like the result often is close but not the hit.
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