Discussion of LSI-ISTj Subtypes

[JuJu]

male Ti-ISTjs
**relatively talkative. Characteristically, in conversation, they can offer strong opinions on many subjects. One could mistake them for extroverts. (Think Dr. Phil McGraw.)
**Defying the sociotype's stereotype, they often laugh and smile easily. They are peoples' people. Often popular.
**Very generally, (and relatively,) they seem more 'laid back,' ('comfortable in their own skin') than the other subtype. (Relatively) self-assured.
** Preferred dual subtype is the Fe-ENFj (ex. Ronald Reagan)


male Se-ISTjs
**Generally, one would not mistake them for extraverts. At all.
**They can look relatively sullen, serious, even scoffing (Think Lou Reed or James Dean.) Can seem like 'loners.'
**Based on the above characteristics, people can (very generally) consider them hard to get to know.
**Stormy emotional life.
**Preferred dual subtype is the Ni-ENFj (ex. John Lennon.)

Both ISTj subtypes tend to enjoy/employ over-the-top humor--caustic/mocking. (An extreme example of ISTj humor: Wm. WS. Burroughs' novels... A more contemporary example: Rosie O'Donnell's stand-up.)

[jughead]

JuJu I tend to agree about your observations of Ti LSI's. The subtypes seem to be very different. Do you have more such subtype observations, particularly about betas?

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Juju, what about female LSI's? are they generally the same idea as male LSI's? i assume they would be, just curious because u specified 'male LSI'

[JuJu]

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The Se subtype description works for LSI women too. (You are the Se subtype, btw.) By looks alone, one could easily mistake this subtype for some Ip temperament sociotype, (although Ij temperament becomes pretty glaring when this subtype becomes agitated--which can be frequently, in my experience.) To quote Tom Petty, they "stand their ground/won't back down," etc. They can look quiet, brooding--underneath it, they're fun-loving and tough.

Re-reading it, the Ti subtype description works pretty well for females too. (For an example of the Ti subtype, think Michael Jackson's one-time "lover" Brooke Shields... Compare her to the Se subtype: she seems much less brooding, more upright and 'settled.' The Ti subtype is fun-loving and tough too, of course. Outwardly, they APEAR more affable than their Se subtype counterparts.

[oath of solitude]

male Ti-ISTjs
**relatively talkative. Characteristically, in conversation, they can offer strong opinions on many subjects. One could mistake them for extroverts. (Think Dr. Phil McGraw.)
**Defying the sociotype's stereotype, they often laugh and smile easily. They are peoples' people. Often popular.
**Very generally, (and relatively,) they seem more 'laid back,' ('comfortable in their own skin') than the other subtype. (Relatively) self-assured.

male Se-ISTjs
**Generally, one would not mistake them for extraverts. At all.
**They can look relatively sullen, serious, even scoffing (Think Lou Reed or James Dean.) Can seem like 'loners.'
**Based on the above characteristics, people can (very generally) consider them hard to get to know.
**Stormy emotional life.

Ti subtype is a talkative extrovert, Se is a sullen loner? How did you come up with this?