Discussion of LSI-ISTj Subtypes

[Jarno]

I've seen very little in depth exploration to sub types in socionics.

Yes, because you are looking at the wrong page '-)

LSI Subtypes

Sensory subtype: (The Controller)
(Valentine Meged & Anatoly Ovcharov) The sensory subtype appears comparably restless in their behaviour and internally emotional when compared with the logical subtype. They are reticent yet also obstinate and willing to enter conflicts whenever their opinions are not honored; in such cases they flare up and become unduly sharp and absolute in their statements. Constrained and cold in demeanor, dislikes objections and long explanations. They constantly observe the actions of others in order to try to assist them or to point out their mistakes. Although their remarks may appear rather indignant, and lacking in tact, their intentions are usually constructive, as they wish to help; when their instructions are listened to and carried through successfully they will then offer a kind smile. Dresses conservatively although they sometimes aspire to appear fashionable. During conversation they approach the interlocutor without coming into direct contact. Whether at work or at home they are not inclined to practice superfluous rhetoric or manipulation.
(Victor Gulenko) Irregular and impulsive, does not always follow the order they require from others, in this case they are capable of condemning those who disrupt this order. Communicable and courteous from a distance, but on closer observation, can prove to be intolerant. When caught, they can answer with aggression. Their aim is leadership, but they are better at leading small associations. Outwardly appears strong. The men frequently have facial hair. In their clothing they prefer a free style.
(Sexual behaviour) Thoughtful and initiative-taking in care, but uniform in the erotic. Know how to make compliments and establish close contact. Often emotional, quick tempered, decisive and sharp. Persistent and obstinate, know how to attain their goals by any price. Need a sexual, emotional, and romantic partner who does not find them boring; a flexible diplomat who knows how to discharge their emotions and is an easily appeased and forgiving person.

Logical subtype: (The Instructor)
(Valentine Meged & Anatoly Ovcharov) The logical subtype is self-assured, quiet, constrained, dry, correct and impenetrable. At times seems haughty but is moderately kind and imperturbable. Very polite and attentive to details in conversation, likes that all specify and explain their opinions, but sometimes is prone to get stuck up on nonessential details. When they ask questions they want answers to provide exhaustively detailed information. Dislikes uncertainty and is internally quite collected. They never lose their presence of mind and try to encourage those that require their support. Appears like a straight line, motionless, seeming to look through, rather than at, the interlocutor. Movements are measured but restrained, tendency to shuffle footwear when walking; when they turn they do so suddenly; their neck rests squarely on their shoulders and appears stiff.
(Victor Gulenko) Most rational logical type. Very constructive. Their aims are in hierarchy; works thoroughly and brings everything to its end without missing a detail. Not very dynamic and does not transfer confusion. Outwardly is strict, sustained, somewhat single-minded. In working situations is official, and even with close relatives can manifest a barrack style of behaviour. Clothing is conservative, for males: his suit is often in a strict, dark tone.
(Sexual behaviour) Restrained in their expression of feelings with an aim towards clarity and definition; disposed to flatness in relations and reacts negatively to quarrels. Inclined to doubts and distrustfulness. Often show concern about their partner and provide them with pleasant gifts and trifles. Require a sensitive, delicate partner, since they are straight-line/simple in sexual contacts and sufficiently restrained in the positive and negative expression of emotions. Need an attentive, thoughtful partner, whom will not tie them to their will. Their partner should yield to their persuasions and strive to satisfy all of their requirements.

[leftylib]

i can't thank you enough for those descriptions its exactly what i've been searching for. it's difficult to find anything out there on this on the web.

this inspector is totally a controller Se subtype for sure. and i basically feel like im dating an extrovert. and it's weird because his introverted self seems like a shell instead of being substantial, because he departs from it so quickly and to such an extreme.

i would say what socionics could use in this area then is more techniques for dealing with the specific types. i'm trying to use these descriptions you posted to try to find the diplomatic side of myself that knows how to handle all this unexpected energy. its wearing me out. i think if i was with the other subtype, though, id probably start to become rebellious myself unless i was somehow learning a lot on a subject from that type.

lefty
enfj
4w5 - tragic romantic
challenger/prize romantic style

[JuJu]

male Ti-ISTjs
**relatively talkative. Characteristically, in conversation, they can offer strong opinions on many subjects. One could mistake them for extroverts. (Think Dr. Phil McGraw.)
**Defying the sociotype's stereotype, they often laugh and smile easily. They are peoples' people. Often popular.
**Very generally, (and relatively,) they seem more 'laid back,' ('comfortable in their own skin') than the other subtype. (Relatively) self-assured.
** Preferred dual subtype is the Fe-ENFj (ex. Ronald Reagan)


male Se-ISTjs
**Generally, one would not mistake them for extraverts. At all.
**They can look relatively sullen, serious, even scoffing (Think Lou Reed or James Dean.) Can seem like 'loners.'
**Based on the above characteristics, people can (very generally) consider them hard to get to know.
**Stormy emotional life.
**Preferred dual subtype is the Ni-ENFj (ex. John Lennon.)

Both ISTj subtypes tend to enjoy/employ over-the-top humor--caustic/mocking. (An extreme example of ISTj humor: Wm. WS. Burroughs' novels... A more contemporary example: Rosie O'Donnell's stand-up.)

[jughead]

JuJu I tend to agree about your observations of Ti LSI's. The subtypes seem to be very different. Do you have more such subtype observations, particularly about betas?

[231000139298142655]

Juju, what about female LSI's? are they generally the same idea as male LSI's? i assume they would be, just curious because u specified 'male LSI'

[JuJu]

Numbers! muah (my phone is lost, so don't hold it against me please... Do you know where Josh is now? I saw Matt @ Subway, as you know... "Five dollar foot-long and a bottle of anything... TO GO-oo-oo-oo-oo-o!!!!")

The Se subtype description works for LSI women too. (You are the Se subtype, btw.) By looks alone, one could easily mistake this subtype for some Ip temperament sociotype, (although Ij temperament becomes pretty glaring when this subtype becomes agitated--which can be frequently, in my experience.) To quote Tom Petty, they "stand their ground/won't back down," etc. They can look quiet, brooding--underneath it, they're fun-loving and tough.

Re-reading it, the Ti subtype description works pretty well for females too. (For an example of the Ti subtype, think Michael Jackson's one-time "lover" Brooke Shields... Compare her to the Se subtype: she seems much less brooding, more upright and 'settled.' The Ti subtype is fun-loving and tough too, of course. Outwardly, they APEAR more affable than their Se subtype counterparts.

[oath of solitude]

male Ti-ISTjs
**relatively talkative. Characteristically, in conversation, they can offer strong opinions on many subjects. One could mistake them for extroverts. (Think Dr. Phil McGraw.)
**Defying the sociotype's stereotype, they often laugh and smile easily. They are peoples' people. Often popular.
**Very generally, (and relatively,) they seem more 'laid back,' ('comfortable in their own skin') than the other subtype. (Relatively) self-assured.

male Se-ISTjs
**Generally, one would not mistake them for extraverts. At all.
**They can look relatively sullen, serious, even scoffing (Think Lou Reed or James Dean.) Can seem like 'loners.'
**Based on the above characteristics, people can (very generally) consider them hard to get to know.
**Stormy emotional life.

Ti subtype is a talkative extrovert, Se is a sullen loner? How did you come up with this?