I'd like to gain a better understanding of peoples personal descriptions of their own understanding of Se. Please no copy pasting, much more raw when you give a personal interpretation, it also gives me better insight.
Thanks
I'd like to gain a better understanding of peoples personal descriptions of their own understanding of Se. Please no copy pasting, much more raw when you give a personal interpretation, it also gives me better insight.
Thanks
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim
I have already done this, and refuse to do so again.
Here is a link to one attempt: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-Stories-of-Se
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
it's about understanding situations in a snapshot way, quickly and pragmatically without aversion to applying crude heuristics, sometimes even stereotypes. however all this "application" happens implicitly on a subconscious level. it is not a deliberating function like anything "J". nor is there even much of a conscious experience of pragmatic deciding; it is just thought normal and necessary to make certain useful presumptions to fend off the infinitely regressing cascades of uncertainty uncovered instead by Ne (or Ni for that matter).
the situation in question is usually one in which your personal participation is of downplayed importance. this is how it differs from a Pi function where the role of the deciding observer (possibly but not necessarily in a more abstract sense than just "me") is central. however, since the focus of thought is placed outside of oneself, one's self-direction stands largely dislodged from this situational awareness, imparting on it a greater sense of independent agency. from such a position the person is enabled to manipulate the situation more freely.
Se means being fully aware of your current physical surroundings in rich detail. While you also se the posibilities how you might influence and change the reality in here and now. You are aware of posibilities of your current actions.
Se means looking at coffee and liking silk underwear.
Echoing what several others have already said, the way I understand Se is being primarily aware of the physical attributes of the external world. Since it's an extraverted function it involves interaction with that external world. That is why Se can manifest as force (among other things)
In contrast, Si is also aware of physical attributes of the external world, but focuses on how those external physical attributes make him/herself feel.
That's why strong Se also means strong Si, and vice versa.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Se = Direct perception of external objects and surroundings without any judgement of them; will, force, physical force; being uptight or wanting to be 'strong'; territorial defense and physical harsh activity such as in war for defense or conquest of territory, it is especially linked to TERRITORY (see ******'s Se-Hidden Agenda and his war for 'Lebensraum'= 'living space'), also connected to Power and Domain; Se leading types tend to want to exert domain and show off their strength in whatever way they can. Also related to STANDING ONE'S GROUND in a physical as well as psychological situation. Types with Se-HA can also have a similar behaviour though masked under a facade of friendliness and good intentions towards their 'enemies'. I personally have strong Se and do not dislike it but see it only as a last resort and cannot use it for long without getting very tired both physically and mentally. Types with Se in their Ego block often seem paranoid and 'bullies' to me, wanting to fight in order to show their physical strength. There is also a positive side in that an Se-Ego type may defend others when it comes to harsh physical battle faster than others who have to sort of 'activate' their Se and then start fighting.
Get them, Air. Besides, Hilter is ILE on Maritsa's list, so he is going to have to battle for territory with food, next time.
Some very interesting responses in here. I always like to contemplate multiple viewpoints, helps me build pictures. look forward to reading more.
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim
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Heh... I'm in a joking mood today so here is one for you:
"Old friend, why are you so shy? Ain't like you to hold back or hide from the light. I hate to turn up out of the blue uninvited but I couldn't stay away I couldn't fight it and I'd hoped you'd see my face and that you'd be reminded that for me... it isn't oveeeeer"...
Love, Air.
Okay.
raw facts of reality and acting upon them in an almost instantaneous fashion (the action may require a rational function! Otherwise no motivation is there)
Example: want to learn some maths to pass an exam, repeat the calculations 1000 times unti you are completely certain that you can do them accurately (Se-creative version)
want to have sex with a guy i like, get dressed in a sexy way, ask him if we're going to meet tonight, if yes flirt and then start kissing (Se-base version)
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
the sexy function
6w7-2w3-1w2 so/sx
the function that apprehends the static qualities of things...for example...
I believe this was what DJA said:
When Se types see two people interacting they can almost always tell which one is being pushy, strong willed, which one is being witty and clever and intellectual because they can pick up on these real qualities of people. Whereas I can't and I don't focus on it so I am not likely to say something in a tactful way in a position where I have all the attention on me, but I will keep reasserting my point not being able to judge effectively how I come off and if people really saw me (as in sensed me in hearing or vision). Se types know how to say something and gather that someone heard them or saw them and just relax about it or use more finess. In a situation with Eliza, she can tell this complicated and elaborate relational story to people, but she's comfortable with her sense of self and her perception of others to just walk away knowing something was or may have been accomplished by her soft spoken softly delivered manner because she has a good amount of Se she can roll out, whereas I can't. But even then, she needs and resorts back to Si. You can see it because she doesn't interact well for a long period of time. Se types are attuned to their environment. I'm not. My SLE coworker says "ugh this smell is going to make me vomit" "oh this lighting is going to make me go blind" "is that light flickering?" she's very attuned to her environment.Originally Posted by DJA
I have no idea who wrote this but I saved it>...
Originally Posted by mysterious
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I don't relate to anything posted.
i like to drive really fast and close my eyes sometimes to see how long i can keep them closed without running off the road?
As an Se-ego, Se is just so obvious and I instinctively know what it is, but very hard to articulate. I don't know how other people explain it and TBH I don't even think I actually feel like that I relate to any of the 'descriptions'.
Well, I do occasionally have the ridiculous urge to puff up my chest and bitch-slap some kittens and pee on a tree in an exceptionally manly manner to flaunt my nonexistent-in-reality territory. And I've seen Se-ego females act on similar intent(although not so conscious about it) and it's virtually the same flaunter especially in Se-dom females, so it seems to be unrelated to any gender-specific mentality.
Gosh it's hard to write on these mobiles.
I do this sometimes, too.
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Se quickly notices absolutely every objective concrete detail. Makes an equally speedy assessment of causes and estimates strength/weakness. Responds or executes in some way, also quickly. (for leading Se)
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
My Se iz specialz. ( I certainly don't notice every detail).
( I only notice what I want to notice).
(And sometimes I respond very slowly).
(Sometimes I fall over or bump really hard into things because I'm not paying attention or I'm in autopilot).
(At work or when I have to, I'm usually the first to notice and respond, but when I'm at home and tired... Mehhhh).
I think one of the problems with trying to deine any element is that our descriptions are likely to be the most basic experience (1D). Due to personal experiences and events in a person's lives, that 1D experience gets molded and shaped a bit differently. A person who grew up around cars will develop a strong knowledge base of car related stuff, one who grew up on fashion will develop a strong knowlege base for fashion related stuff. Such that their experiences get transformed into knowing what the rules and norms are for that particular field (2D). And eventually they learn to know when those rules/norms can be broken, under what situations they apply or don't apply (3D). And for base/demonstrative types, they learn how those situations developed to that point, and/or how those rules/norms developed from basic experiences (4D).
It's not really fair to Se types to think that they are regularly doing 1D element definitions in a topicless generality, as it takes away from the finer points they have learned in their particular field(s) of experiences/study.
It also might help to remind that 4D Se isn't just processing Se info, but also processes 1D Ni. 4dSe types also have the capabilities of switching back and forth between {4dSe, 1dNi} to {2dNe, 3dSi} and vice versa. So it's not like they are set in stone forever relegated to the basic description/experience of Se element.
Tldr: an element is not the same thing as a type; a type is not the same thing as a person; and a person is not the same thing as an element/function.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Ehhhh, true romance faded it seems.
Don't interpret this as unfriendly, but I'd like to know what is the "ISTP" in your TIM, is that a subtype based on 16 subtypes? And what is an Enneagram 4w9, that is just not possible, the wings are only the two closest points to the center type, hence called 'wings', for example 5w4, 6w7, 9w1 (because Enneagram is basically a circle where 1 comes after 9), 2w1, 2w3 etc ...
So, Se looks at this cube and deduces that it is red and that it must have red-colored properties.
Ne is like no wtf dude, you don't know if it's red all around. It could be two colors, or three, or a billion, you haven't seen the other side!
Se is like, well statistically if it is red on three sides it's probably red on the other three that I can't see, besides it doesn't matter because it doesn't really make that much of a fucking difference.
Ne is like, no no no we gotta think of all possible states that this cube could be in, and take those into consideration, in the process disregarding the color red:
Se is like, no you retard, maybe it isn't a cube at all, maybe it's hollow from the other side, you're drawing too many conclusions from no information.
Ne is like, omfg no u
and so it goes.
Se is full of assumptions, Radio. Yuck.